[quote]Pinto wrote:
mahwah wrote:
Buncha looong standing records in that bunch
The funny thing is that a lot of these numbers probably get beat all the time in the gym by lifters that simply do not compete raw. There’s a lot of talent out there that has little interest in competing raw.
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Yeah, raw guys are weak. Real PLers lift geared.
If it wasn’t on a platform and didn’t get whites, who cares?
You’d think they’d just do a raw competition and go ahead and set all the records.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
Pinto wrote:
mahwah wrote:
Buncha looong standing records in that bunch
The funny thing is that a lot of these numbers probably get beat all the time in the gym by lifters that simply do not compete raw. There’s a lot of talent out there that has little interest in competing raw.
Yeah, raw guys are weak. Real PLers lift geared.
If it wasn’t on a platform and didn’t get whites, who cares?
You’d think they’d just do a raw competition and go ahead and set all the records.[/quote]
Also consider that the current raw (sorry RRRAAAAWWWWWW!!!1!!!1!!) trend is really only a few years old, hell this list is only a couple months old. If unequipted lifting continues to remain popular I’d say we’ll see many of these records replaced due to the creation of events such as Raw Unity, USAPL Raw Nationals and some other larger organizations offering raw lifting.
As an aside it would be interesting to see international lifters added to the list, but as the list creator mentioned he had enough difficulty trying to verify American lifts without trying to verify a lift from a decade ago in a foreign country where the the meet director may or may not speak English.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
anyone notice how Ed Coan’s deadlift @220 is only beaten by 2 pounds by a SHW? thats what, a 100+ pound bodyweight for 2 pounds of bar weight? thats insane.[/quote]
did you also notice that’s more than a 4xbw deadlift!?!?? ed coan is a beast!
[quote]Pinto wrote:
mahwah wrote:
Buncha looong standing records in that bunch
The funny thing is that a lot of these numbers probably get beat all the time in the gym by lifters that simply do not compete raw. There’s a lot of talent out there that has little interest in competing raw.
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Wow, that comment is actually stupid. Im sure Coans deadlift is getting beat daily. Have you looked at the talent that has competed raw lately?
Mike T, Brian Schwab, Donnie Thompson. Some of the best geared lifters in the world yet they dont own any raw american records.
Could there be no pro strongmen or O lifters that would compete if everything wasn’t so geared up?
Maybe I could say that the top raw guys would go and take all of the geared records. I wouldn’t say that because its a dumb comment.
If these records are so easy then go get one. You wont because you are just a talker.
lol@ these records are getting beat daily.
i guess you missed the part about Ed Coan deadlifting 901 pounds raw @220
and the only person beating it was Mark Henry, at the Super Heavyweight class by 2 pounds.
let that sink in then tell me how easy it is to break these records. give props where they’re due.
[quote]Hanley wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Donut62 wrote:
Hanley wrote:
The first and most obvious error is in the deadlift tables. Bolton pull 947 or something along those lines raw. That’s enough to make me skeptical of the rest!! Some serious numbers there tho.
They are only American records. Gathering world records for a definition of lifting that didn’t even really exist until recently, and still doesn’t exist in a lot of big powerlifting countries, would be a daunting task.
Shouldn’t really be “all time” then, should they??
It’s kinda a US thing to think they’re the centre of the world in powerlifting… Like you see people talking on forums about how “powerlifters squat high out of a mono and wear multiply gear” when in fact a tiny % of the worlds powerliftres do… but it’s what they’re exposed to so they assume it’s fact!
I dont agree with that. It was made pretty clear on PLWatch that these were the all-time American records. As for “people talking on forums about how “powerlifters squat high out of a mono and wear multiply gear”” - well, half those people don’t even know what they’re looking at and think they can draw conclusions from a video of kroc taken 100 ft away and from a lower vantage point, or a video of donnie that’s so shaky it looks like it was filmed during an earthquake
It’s kinda an irish thing to think Americans are arrogant … Like you see people talking on forums about how “Americans think they’re the centre of the world in powerlifting” when in fact only a tiny % of americans think that… but it’s what they’re [the irish] exposed to so they assume it’s fact!
…
Ledge. Don’t forget all the U.S feds “world championships”!!!
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OK, this thread was dead, but since it’s been resurrected…
There are players from all nations in MLB, the best players from all over the world get signed by them, do you seriously think that the team that wins teh world series doesn’t deserve to be called world champions? One could make a very good argument that the world games equivalent in baseball (I forget the name) is nothing but a fancy all-star tournament. and all-star teams are LAME
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Donut62 wrote:
Hanley wrote:
The first and most obvious error is in the deadlift tables. Bolton pull 947 or something along those lines raw. That’s enough to make me skeptical of the rest!! Some serious numbers there tho.
They are only American records. Gathering world records for a definition of lifting that didn’t even really exist until recently, and still doesn’t exist in a lot of big powerlifting countries, would be a daunting task.
Shouldn’t really be “all time” then, should they??
It’s kinda a US thing to think they’re the centre of the world in powerlifting… Like you see people talking on forums about how “powerlifters squat high out of a mono and wear multiply gear” when in fact a tiny % of the worlds powerliftres do… but it’s what they’re exposed to so they assume it’s fact!
I dont agree with that. It was made pretty clear on PLWatch that these were the all-time American records. As for “people talking on forums about how “powerlifters squat high out of a mono and wear multiply gear”” - well, half those people don’t even know what they’re looking at and think they can draw conclusions from a video of kroc taken 100 ft away and from a lower vantage point, or a video of donnie that’s so shaky it looks like it was filmed during an earthquake
It’s kinda an irish thing to think Americans are arrogant … Like you see people talking on forums about how “Americans think they’re the centre of the world in powerlifting” when in fact only a tiny % of americans think that… but it’s what they’re [the irish] exposed to so they assume it’s fact!
…
Ledge. Don’t forget all the U.S feds “world championships”!!!
OK, this thread was dead, but since it’s been resurrected…
There are players from all nations in MLB, the best players from all over the world get signed by them, do you seriously think that the team that wins teh world series doesn’t deserve to be called world champions? One could make a very good argument that the world games equivalent in baseball (I forget the name) is nothing but a fancy all-star tournament. and all-star teams are LAME[/quote]
and the US loses because half our best players are from other countries.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
lol@ these records are getting beat daily.
i guess you missed the part about Ed Coan deadlifting 901 pounds raw @220
and the only person beating it was Mark Henry, at the Super Heavyweight class by 2 pounds.
let that sink in then tell me how easy it is to break these records. give props where they’re due.[/quote]
Andy Bolton’s pulled like 947 raw.
[quote]Hanley wrote:
Donut62 wrote:
Hanley wrote:
The first and most obvious error is in the deadlift tables. Bolton pull 947 or something along those lines raw. That’s enough to make me skeptical of the rest!! Some serious numbers there tho.
They are only American records. Gathering world records for a definition of lifting that didn’t even really exist until recently, and still doesn’t exist in a lot of big powerlifting countries, would be a daunting task.
Shouldn’t really be “all time” then, should they??
It’s kinda a US thing to think they’re the centre of the world in powerlifting… Like you see people talking on forums about how “powerlifters squat high out of a mono and wear multiply gear” when in fact a tiny % of the worlds powerliftres do… but it’s what they’re exposed to so they assume it’s fact![/quote]
The sun rotates around America.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Donut62 wrote:
Hanley wrote:
The first and most obvious error is in the deadlift tables. Bolton pull 947 or something along those lines raw. That’s enough to make me skeptical of the rest!! Some serious numbers there tho.
They are only American records. Gathering world records for a definition of lifting that didn’t even really exist until recently, and still doesn’t exist in a lot of big powerlifting countries, would be a daunting task.
Shouldn’t really be “all time” then, should they??
It’s kinda a US thing to think they’re the centre of the world in powerlifting… Like you see people talking on forums about how “powerlifters squat high out of a mono and wear multiply gear” when in fact a tiny % of the worlds powerliftres do… but it’s what they’re exposed to so they assume it’s fact!
I dont agree with that. It was made pretty clear on PLWatch that these were the all-time American records. As for “people talking on forums about how “powerlifters squat high out of a mono and wear multiply gear”” - well, half those people don’t even know what they’re looking at and think they can draw conclusions from a video of kroc taken 100 ft away and from a lower vantage point, or a video of donnie that’s so shaky it looks like it was filmed during an earthquake
It’s kinda an irish thing to think Americans are arrogant … Like you see people talking on forums about how “Americans think they’re the centre of the world in powerlifting” when in fact only a tiny % of americans think that… but it’s what they’re [the irish] exposed to so they assume it’s fact!
…
Ledge. Don’t forget all the U.S feds “world championships”!!!
OK, this thread was dead, but since it’s been resurrected…
There are players from all nations in MLB, the best players from all over the world get signed by them, do you seriously think that the team that wins teh world series doesn’t deserve to be called world champions? One could make a very good argument that the world games equivalent in baseball (I forget the name) is nothing but a fancy all-star tournament. and all-star teams are LAME
and the US loses because half our best players are from other countries. [/quote]
Exactly, half of MLB is outside the US, how is world series a misnomer?
[quote]Hanley wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
lol@ these records are getting beat daily.
i guess you missed the part about Ed Coan deadlifting 901 pounds raw @220
and the only person beating it was Mark Henry, at the Super Heavyweight class by 2 pounds.
let that sink in then tell me how easy it is to break these records. give props where they’re due.
Andy Bolton’s pulled like 947 raw.[/quote]
@ what class?
[quote]KBCThird wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Donut62 wrote:
Hanley wrote:
The first and most obvious error is in the deadlift tables. Bolton pull 947 or something along those lines raw. That’s enough to make me skeptical of the rest!! Some serious numbers there tho.
They are only American records. Gathering world records for a definition of lifting that didn’t even really exist until recently, and still doesn’t exist in a lot of big powerlifting countries, would be a daunting task.
Shouldn’t really be “all time” then, should they??
It’s kinda a US thing to think they’re the centre of the world in powerlifting… Like you see people talking on forums about how “powerlifters squat high out of a mono and wear multiply gear” when in fact a tiny % of the worlds powerliftres do… but it’s what they’re exposed to so they assume it’s fact!
I dont agree with that. It was made pretty clear on PLWatch that these were the all-time American records. As for “people talking on forums about how “powerlifters squat high out of a mono and wear multiply gear”” - well, half those people don’t even know what they’re looking at and think they can draw conclusions from a video of kroc taken 100 ft away and from a lower vantage point, or a video of donnie that’s so shaky it looks like it was filmed during an earthquake
It’s kinda an irish thing to think Americans are arrogant … Like you see people talking on forums about how “Americans think they’re the centre of the world in powerlifting” when in fact only a tiny % of americans think that… but it’s what they’re [the irish] exposed to so they assume it’s fact!
…
Ledge. Don’t forget all the U.S feds “world championships”!!!
OK, this thread was dead, but since it’s been resurrected…
There are players from all nations in MLB, the best players from all over the world get signed by them, do you seriously think that the team that wins teh world series doesn’t deserve to be called world champions? One could make a very good argument that the world games equivalent in baseball (I forget the name) is nothing but a fancy all-star tournament. and all-star teams are LAME
and the US loses because half our best players are from other countries.
Exactly, half of MLB is outside the US, how is world series a misnomer?[/quote]
The best football (soccer?) players in the world all play in Europe. Does that mean that the European Champions League winners should be called world champions?
No, it shouldn’t. Because ONLY teams from Europe can compete.
Just because players from outside Europe compete does not make it the “World Championships”, the same is true of baseball.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Hanley wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
lol@ these records are getting beat daily.
i guess you missed the part about Ed Coan deadlifting 901 pounds raw @220
and the only person beating it was Mark Henry, at the Super Heavyweight class by 2 pounds.
let that sink in then tell me how easy it is to break these records. give props where they’re due.
Andy Bolton’s pulled like 947 raw.
@ what class?
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SHW
I agree with whomever said that the World title is just a weighty title. Perhaps in place of that we should use national champs, with the MLB, NBA, NHL their were some teams from outside of the US that played, I honestly don’t follow baseball or basketball so maybe they all moved south, so maybe in place of the world series it could be the northern north american series/championships.
A friend of mine once won the world championships of plowing using antique farm equipment. Although this competition was held in or around Sunberg, MN they still called it a world championship. He was first out out five contestants and I have no idea how you would judge it, straight lines? best time?
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
lol@ these records are getting beat daily.
i guess you missed the part about Ed Coan deadlifting 901 pounds raw @220
and the only person beating it was Mark Henry, at the Super Heavyweight class by 2 pounds.
let that sink in then tell me how easy it is to break these records. give props where they’re due.[/quote]
I don’t believe I said “all of these records”. Coan’s 901 pull is peerless and everybody already knows that. But I have witnessed several high-700s squats on a 198s and 220s in wraps. Goggins pulled high 800s in the gym at 242 or 275 on several occasions raw. I’ve heard of Vogelpohl doing the same. Passanella was a local around here in the late 80s, early 90s. I’ve heard stories of him squatting a 1000 in wraps (out of jacks) and pulling high 800s with just a belt in Coffee’s Gym. I’ve heard stories of Matt Dimel doing the same back around the same time. That’s just what I can think of off the top of my head.
My point is not to disparage the these records. They are in the books, they were judged lifts, some done at very high-profile meets under rather strict judging. As such- the record have not been “beat”.
However, considering raw or belts/wraps only competition has attracted a minority of the upper echelon of the powerlifting talent pool since the late 70s (USAPL, USPF, APF, and most of the various splinter orgs are dominated by geared lifting), the population of lifters to draw from for raw records is not what it was in 1975- even though there are probably more meets and lifters than ever before. Does that mean that lifters are weaker than in the 70s? Probably not. It’s just that we are not seeing these raw lifts on platforms becuase raw lifting is a small niche for the sport’s top lifters. As such, many of these records have stood a lot longer than they would have had the sport not moved on to gear three decades ago.
My response was tailored to the comment that referred to the longstanding nature of most of these records. Nothing more- nothing less. If you want to read something else into it, that’s on you.
^^^ That clears things up a little better. I mostly agree with you.
[quote]Pinto wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
lol@ these records are getting beat daily.
i guess you missed the part about Ed Coan deadlifting 901 pounds raw @220
and the only person beating it was Mark Henry, at the Super Heavyweight class by 2 pounds.
let that sink in then tell me how easy it is to break these records. give props where they’re due.
I don’t believe I said “all of these records”. Coan’s 901 pull is peerless and everybody already knows that. But I have witnessed several high-700s squats on a 198s and 220s in wraps. Goggins pulled high 800s in the gym at 242 or 275 on several occasions raw. I’ve heard of Vogelpohl doing the same. Passanella was a local around here in the late 80s, early 90s. I’ve heard stories of him squatting a 1000 in wraps (out of jacks) and pulling high 800s with just a belt in Coffee’s Gym. I’ve heard stories of Matt Dimel doing the same back around the same time. That’s just what I can think of off the top of my head.
My point is not to disparage the these records. They are in the books, they were judged lifts, some done at very high-profile meets under rather strict judging. As such- the record have not been “beat”.
However, considering raw or belts/wraps only competition has attracted a minority of the upper echelon of the powerlifting talent pool since the late 70s (USAPL, USPF, APF, and most of the various splinter orgs are dominated by geared lifting), the population of lifters to draw from for raw records is not what it was in 1975- even though there are probably more meets and lifters than ever before. Does that mean that lifters are weaker than in the 70s? Probably not. It’s just that we are not seeing these raw lifts on platforms becuase raw lifting is a small niche for the sport’s top lifters. As such, many of these records have stood a lot longer than they would have had the sport not moved on to gear three decades ago.
My response was tailored to the comment that referred to the longstanding nature of most of these records. Nothing more- nothing less. If you want to read something else into it, that’s on you.
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You can’t set records based on rumors of lifts, regardless of what you heard about so and so.
I really would think that if all these geared guys were breaking long standing raw records in the gym, some would want to do it at a meet to claim the record. Just doesn’t make sense to me.
As for talent pools, you could make the argument that some of the strongest guys go into strongman competitions and could have broken some of these raw and geared records, but what the hell would that prove? They never got on the platform and got white lights, so it means nothing. Maybe if there weren’t Olympic style weightlifting competitions, some of those guys would set equipped records. You should think about that the next time you look over equipped records just so they are in the perspective of a diminished talent pool.
Raw and equipped are 2 different games.
Even if you didn’t intend it, you came off sounding like you don’t think much of raw lifting. There really doesn’t seem to be much other reason for your statement.
On the other side of things, raw records should last longer than equipped records because without technological improvements lifters, past and present, are on a more even ground.
[quote]LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Hanley wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
lol@ these records are getting beat daily.
i guess you missed the part about Ed Coan deadlifting 901 pounds raw @220
and the only person beating it was Mark Henry, at the Super Heavyweight class by 2 pounds.
let that sink in then tell me how easy it is to break these records. give props where they’re due.
Andy Bolton’s pulled like 947 raw.
@ what class?
[/quote]
SHW, like Mark Henry.
But, 901+2 =/= 947
[quote]Comrade wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
KBCThird wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Donut62 wrote:
Hanley wrote:
The first and most obvious error is in the deadlift tables. Bolton pull 947 or something along those lines raw. That’s enough to make me skeptical of the rest!! Some serious numbers there tho.
They are only American records. Gathering world records for a definition of lifting that didn’t even really exist until recently, and still doesn’t exist in a lot of big powerlifting countries, would be a daunting task.
Shouldn’t really be “all time” then, should they??
It’s kinda a US thing to think they’re the centre of the world in powerlifting… Like you see people talking on forums about how “powerlifters squat high out of a mono and wear multiply gear” when in fact a tiny % of the worlds powerliftres do… but it’s what they’re exposed to so they assume it’s fact!
I dont agree with that. It was made pretty clear on PLWatch that these were the all-time American records. As for “people talking on forums about how “powerlifters squat high out of a mono and wear multiply gear”” - well, half those people don’t even know what they’re looking at and think they can draw conclusions from a video of kroc taken 100 ft away and from a lower vantage point, or a video of donnie that’s so shaky it looks like it was filmed during an earthquake
It’s kinda an irish thing to think Americans are arrogant … Like you see people talking on forums about how “Americans think they’re the centre of the world in powerlifting” when in fact only a tiny % of americans think that… but it’s what they’re [the irish] exposed to so they assume it’s fact!
…
Ledge. Don’t forget all the U.S feds “world championships”!!!
OK, this thread was dead, but since it’s been resurrected…
There are players from all nations in MLB, the best players from all over the world get signed by them, do you seriously think that the team that wins teh world series doesn’t deserve to be called world champions? One could make a very good argument that the world games equivalent in baseball (I forget the name) is nothing but a fancy all-star tournament. and all-star teams are LAME
and the US loses because half our best players are from other countries.
Exactly, half of MLB is outside the US, how is world series a misnomer?
The best football (soccer?) players in the world all play in Europe. Does that mean that the European Champions League winners should be called world champions?
No, it shouldn’t. Because ONLY teams from Europe can compete.
Just because players from outside Europe compete does not make it the “World Championships”, the same is true of baseball.
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The champions league winners shouldn’t be called world champions? What you say? Name me a better club team ANYWHERE in the entire world. Not a country-of-origin all-star team, a club team. Of course they are world champions
[quote]Hanley wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
Hanley wrote:
LiveFromThe781 wrote:
lol@ these records are getting beat daily.
i guess you missed the part about Ed Coan deadlifting 901 pounds raw @220
and the only person beating it was Mark Henry, at the Super Heavyweight class by 2 pounds.
let that sink in then tell me how easy it is to break these records. give props where they’re due.
Andy Bolton’s pulled like 947 raw.
@ what class?
SHW, like Mark Henry.
But, 901+2 =/= 947
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its hard to compare different lifts at different weights, sure we could bust out percentages but in the real world those don’t mean shit.
a 901 @ 220 is pretty fucking good. and its still a record so…