[quote]Koing wrote:
You should be able to Snatch more then your Bench press.
Koing[/quote]
Are you saying that it more important to be able to have the snatch position, Or do you mean you should be able to snatch more weight than you can bench press? Because snatching more than best bench press is pretty damn good.
[quote]Krollmonster wrote:
Koing wrote:
You should be able to Snatch more then your Bench press.
K
Are you saying that it more important to be able to have the snatch position, Or do you mean you should be able to snatch more weight than you can bench press? Because snatching more than best bench press is pretty damn good.[/quote]
I always thought it was bench/Clean&Jerk. But, I don’t think any of those ratios are all that important.
For me, a naturally good bencher, it would be quite crazy to out snatch my bench. Hell, it’s crazy to C&J my bench…and I’m no bench specialist.
[quote]Koing wrote:
IL Cazzo wrote:
One thing to remember is, even though some will talk about how improtant tech. is in OL…strength still rules. Two people with the same form…the stronger will win.
Not saying anyone in this thread isnt paying attention to strength…but just keep it in mind.
True but speed and technique is more important then strong and technique imo. well I’d pick that anyway. Best situation is you have everything 
To the original poster. Can you sit down in a Snatch properly with the bar over head? Can you rack the bar properly in a Clean? IF you can then you can do whatever exercises you want as long as you keep your mobility. If you can’t then the best piece of advice would be to avoid bench pressing as it is the main killer for people who can’t get the correct OLift positions!
Mon, Wed, Fri lunchtimes = squast
Tue, Thur lunchtimes = conditioning/ fannying around/ resting legs (Mon: flat bench press, pull ups, sot press [bottom of front squat military pressing]; Tue: inclne bench press, curls, bent forward rows) basically to rest my legs
Mon, Wed evenings = OLift
Sat afternoons = Olifts
Current schedule has me doing lots of power stuff from the hang and maintaining technique. I’ve been lifting for 6yrs.
I’ve always done some strength and conditioning stuff outside of the OLifts as it is important to be ‘rounded’ and to not have a weakness. Also started as a 16yr old so wasn’t exactly up their in the strength terms overall. But you don’t need a 140Kg+ bench press to lift well. You should be able to Snatch more then your Bench press.
As long as you get enough sleep and recovery your good.
Koing[/quote]
Sorry I haven’t checked back on the forum in a few days! I actually just got the ‘deep’ forms for the snatch and clean down this past week, prior to that I got so frustrated that I wouldn’t pay much attention to the technique and I’d just do power movements. I finally decided that if I wanted to do more weight, I’d better learn the full lifts. I can sit pretty low in the snatch now (thank you OH squats!) and I rack on the clean fairly well but sometimes I screw up in the regard that my wrists don’t stay bent all the way back as they do when I front squat, it just seems more difficult for me to catch the bar in my fingertips as oppsoed to taking it off my rack and squatting with it.
Another question I have thta maybe you guys could assist me with is my jerk. My jerk is roughly thirty pounds below my best power clean, and it sucks. The bar moves all sluggish and halfway through it looks more like I’m doing a miltary press than a split jerk, any help with this would definitely make my lifting much better. thanks in advance.
~ Chris
[quote]IL Cazzo wrote:
Krollmonster wrote:
Koing wrote:
You should be able to Snatch more then your Bench press.
K
Are you saying that it more important to be able to have the snatch position, Or do you mean you should be able to snatch more weight than you can bench press? Because snatching more than best bench press is pretty damn good.
I always thought it was bench/Clean&Jerk. But, I don’t think any of those ratios are all that important.
For me, a naturally good bencher, it would be quite crazy to out snatch my bench. Hell, it’s crazy to C&J my bench…and I’m no bench specialist.
[/quote]
The ratio’s work out fine but depending where you’ve come from it will be different.
I’ve never really BP much so my Snatch will always be more then my BP :P, but if you’ve BP a lot and only picked up Snatching for a few years you’ll have one hell of a time liftig more!
Maybe it was C&J more then your BP?
OP:
You lack speed. Most guys do not know how to generate speed and power. This is why they can’t split jerk or power jerk properly. Practice it.
Practice with lighter weights. If the lighter weights aren’t locking out HARD AND FAST your not doing it correctly. The chances of you doing it on heavier weight are a lot less. You could get it up slowly but that isn’t the point here.
If you have a stick go in to a field or garden. Now do the same thing but throw that stick in to the AIR AS HARD AND HARD AS YOU CAN. Just don’t grip it again after dipping and driving it up! I have found this has helped the strongman that lifts at our club. He has trouble ‘unleashing’ his power. This exercise has helped him greatly.
Your probably dipping too much also. SHORT SHARP DIP AND DRIVE. Too much of a dip kills the stretch reflex and your muscling it up.
This guy doe sit perfectly. See his dip and drive? PERFECT. Perfect recoveries. Few guys will recover properly on a 1RM!
Koing
Thanks for the advice and the video Koing. Now as far as developing speed in my jerk, would 70% for triples be a good means of doing this? And then I assume as the bar moves up with power fluently and locks out properly I could increase the weight? I’m going to go in my weight room with a stick and try what you said in a little while(today is my off day) but would what I suggested work well in my next training session?
[quote]MisterAmazing wrote:
Thanks for the advice and the video Koing. Now as far as developing speed in my jerk, would 70% for triples be a good means of doing this? And then I assume as the bar moves up with power fluently and locks out properly I could increase the weight? I’m going to go in my weight room with a stick and try what you said in a little while(today is my off day) but would what I suggested work well in my next training session?[/quote]
Yes it would work well.
If you can get some videos you can get some feedback from us :).
70% is good for riples. You can then start heading towards 80% for 3reps x 4sets.
Koing