[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
beebuddy wrote:
jehovasfitness wrote:
As for time travel, the logic of if it existed why has a future society not used it to come back in time.
That would be assuming the future exists. Who says the future is mapped out yet?
I don’t know who started the time travel thing, but Zap is correct that FTL travel is impossible at least it is in the way we normally think of travel. Time travel is theoretically possible, just not in the Back To The Future sense.
The faster an object moves the slower that object experiences time, so the occupants of a vehicle traveling close to the speed of light would not age as fast as their earthbound counterparts. I think that’s how it works. Anyway, it’s not as awesome as it sounds.
One of the reasons people believe time travel to the past is not possible is because it would allow for paradoxes, such as:
You would be able to go back in time and kill your father/mother, thus making it so you were never born. But, if you were never born, how could you have gone back in time to kill your parents?
As strange as it sounds, traveling into the future is exactly what happens when one travels at speeds near C. A watch that you take on your ship will literally be behind a watch left on the earth (this effect is quite magnified over time, in which you could be years or decades into the future).[/quote]
So I did have it right I think. If you took off close to C time moves slower to you, which is logically the same thing is going forward in time. amirite? I’m pretty sure they are analogous.
So I did have it right I think. If you took off close to C time moves slower to you, which is logically the same thing is going forward in time. amirite? I’m pretty sure they are analogous. [/quote]
Ehh, YOU dont perceive time as moving slower if that is what you are saying. Someone looking at you would perceive you as moving slow… But when you watched them they would look like they were moving very fast.
Its referred to as “Time Dilation”, other interesting things happen at that speed as well such as shrinking distances… Here is a little website that explains it all pretty well in a way everyone can get.
[quote]Lonnie123 wrote:
I came in kinda late, so I’ll just bullet point some ideas:
Crop Circles: Give me a break. People still believe that these are made by aliens? The guys who do them admitted to it, and then taped themselves making them… Do you want to believe THAT badly that you deny this kind of evidence?
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Bullshit. Google “crop circles” and tell me that two assholes with wooden planks and rope could make things that intricate in a field at night. No fucking way. They circles those guys admitted to making look like shit; the others are amazingly complex.
It is a bit like comparing a 4th grader’s fingerpainting to a high-definition photograph. I’m not saying that the other crop circles are definitely of alien origin, but I can tell you that they were not made in the fashion that those dudes described. Again, check it out yourself.
Ehh, YOU dont perceive time as moving slower if that is what you are saying. Someone looking at you would perceive you as moving slow… But when you watched them they would look like they were moving very fast.
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No, I realize that the parties on the vehicle perceive time the same as the people on earth. I’m saying that moving forward in time is the same time slowing down. I’m sure the logic is sound, but it’s sorta counter-intuitive.
[quote]eic wrote:
Lonnie123 wrote:
I came in kinda late, so I’ll just bullet point some ideas:
Crop Circles: Give me a break. People still believe that these are made by aliens? The guys who do them admitted to it, and then taped themselves making them… Do you want to believe THAT badly that you deny this kind of evidence?
Bullshit. Google “crop circles” and tell me that two assholes with wooden planks and rope could make things that intricate in a field at night. No fucking way. They circles those guys admitted to making look like shit; the others are amazingly complex. It is a bit like comparing a 4th grader’s fingerpainting to a high-definition photograph.
I’m not saying that the other crop circles are definitely of alien origin, but I can tell you that they were not made in the fashion that those dudes described. Again, check it out yourself. [/quote]
Yep…These all look like shit. Including a design involving stars for the 4th of july(the aliens must even know our national holidays…) Or perhaps they like using our computers as well (¤ c i r c l e m a k e r s ¤)
Dont you find it funny that:
A - The designs are always “interesting” looking to humans, usually involving geometric shapes that appeal to the human eye? Could it be that the aliens “communicate” in these intricate patterns, or that humans made them because they look cool to other humans
B - The designs ONLY appear in crops. If aliens were really responsible for such designs, couldn’t they make the designs on any surface they saw fit? Why is it always in an area would the plank-and-rope technique can be used to accomplish the task?
And isnt it interesting that the crops area always flattened? Just like they would be with the plank technique. Couldnt the aliens just make the crops disappear? Of course, even us humans have figured out how to do it in the sand as well ( ¤ c i r c l e m a k e r s ¤ , ¤ c i r c l e m a k e r s ¤ )
C - And of course… Occams razor. Which is more likely? That crop cirlces are made by aliens who must travel millions of light years to come here, use our wheat fields to write letters to each other in, and are NEVER seen doing it… Or that they are made by humans who both admit to doing it and have documented themselves doing so.
[quote]eic wrote:
Lonnie123 wrote:
I came in kinda late, so I’ll just bullet point some ideas:
Crop Circles: Give me a break. People still believe that these are made by aliens? The guys who do them admitted to it, and then taped themselves making them… Do you want to believe THAT badly that you deny this kind of evidence?
Bullshit. Google “crop circles” and tell me that two assholes with wooden planks and rope could make things that intricate in a field at night. No fucking way. They circles those guys admitted to making look like shit; the others are amazingly complex.
It is a bit like comparing a 4th grader’s fingerpainting to a high-definition photograph. I’m not saying that the other crop circles are definitely of alien origin, but I can tell you that they were not made in the fashion that those dudes described. Again, check it out yourself. [/quote]
I wouldn’t normally intervene in such an inane debate, but since you called me retarded, I have to jump in.
So, Mr. I’m-dazzled-by-simple-geographical-figures, I present to you the Japanese version.
[quote]ibanezrg320 wrote:
Anyone ever consider that the “aliens” out there could just be a piece of bacteria.
To find intelligent beings we must consider the evolutionary path of humans… very complex and a lot of it was by chance.
We think aliens will be more advanced than us because thats what the media tells us.
This is possible, but everyone needs to think outside the square.
Bacteria is also a lifeform…
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Everyone has considered the idea… In fact bacteria are really the only thing scientists are looking for on mars in terms of martian life.
However, bacteria, and indeed every life form we have ever known, lack the ability to travel the cosmos… So postulating their visitation from worlds unknown is highly improbable. The very ability of such a being would presuppose vastly superior technology and knowledge, assuming that they do it knowingly of course.
Although you may want to look up the idea of Panspermia, it may interest you.
Also… Why does no one consider the possibility that maybe WE are the most advanced entities in the universe? Maybe everything else is billions of years behind us instead of ahead of us.
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This is clearly possible, but it seems unlikely.
It is probable that the vastness of the universe contains billions of planets with similar conditions to earth. The universe is also thought to be around 13.7 billion years old, compared to the earth which is around 5 billion years old.
It is likely that there are intelligent life forms that have had billions of extra years for evolution/technological advancement to occur. With that considered it would seem unlikely that we are the most advanced species ever to have existed in the universe.
Also… Why does no one consider the possibility that maybe WE are the most advanced entities in the universe? Maybe everything else is billions of years behind us instead of ahead of us.
This is clearly possible, but it seems unlikely.
It is probable that the vastness of the universe contains billions of planets with similar conditions to earth. The universe is also thought to be around 13.7 billion years old, compared to the earth which is around 5 billion years old.
It is likely that there are intelligent life forms that have had billions of extra years for evolution/technological advancement to occur. With that considered it would seem unlikely that we are the most advanced species ever to have existed in the universe.
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Well our evolution has been unique and one of a kind. We evolved by chance and, physically, we keep adapting to our envorinment. Why should they evolve in the exact same way? Maybe they haven’t discovered technology, and even if they did, it’d be very unlikely that those discoveries were in the same chronological order as ours. It’s also very unlikely that they have the exact same technology as us. Maybe they don’t use spaceships, probes and computers.
Though other species may be more evolved than us, by no means should they have (more advanced) technology.
Just so everyone is clear on a few evolutionary terms:
-There is really no such thing as “more” evolved… There is only “better suited to ones environment.” I understand what everyone means, but this is just for clarification on the issue as a whole.
-Also, evolution does not happen by chance(entirely). Its a small distinction, and while evolution has no goal in mind, it is guided by environmental pressures… Which is why we are looking for earth sized planted with water on them. Any life that forms on a planet with the mass and environmental conditions of jupiter would have life that looked wildly different most likely.
And, just for fun, humans have effectively stopped their own evolution for the most part with the advent of technology. People with poor eyesight get to live because of glasses. Those who are susceptible to heat stroke get to live becuase of A/C. Those with weak immune systems get to live because of antibiotics and immunizations.
Also… Why does no one consider the possibility that maybe WE are the most advanced entities in the universe? Maybe everything else is billions of years behind us instead of ahead of us.
This is clearly possible, but it seems unlikely.
It is probable that the vastness of the universe contains billions of planets with similar conditions to earth. The universe is also thought to be around 13.7 billion years old, compared to the earth which is around 5 billion years old.
It is likely that there are intelligent life forms that have had billions of extra years for evolution/technological advancement to occur. With that considered it would seem unlikely that we are the most advanced species ever to have existed in the universe.
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True…And I am inclined to think that there are “things” out there that have been around for billions and billions of years. It would be hard to do because so many things go wrong in the universe(black holes, exploding stars, meteors, radiation poisoning, temperature shifts). Hell, all life on our own planet was wiped out almost entirely just a few million years ago, imagine where we would be now if that didnt happen… Or maybe we would have never evolved in the first place had that not taken place.
Also, you would have to have a species with the available resources on their planet. We only have telescopes and rocket ships because we have glass, metal, plastic, and fuel available to us.
And, just for fun, humans have effectively stopped their own evolution for the most part with the advent of technology. People with poor eyesight get to live because of glasses. Those who are susceptible to heat stroke get to live becuase of A/C. Those with weak immune systems get to live because of antibiotics and immunizations. [/quote]
But have we truly stopped evolving? Seems these days like certain kinds of people pop out half a dozen kids, whereas other kinds pop out none.
And if you don’t have kids, that’s pretty much equivalent to “dying off”, no?
But have we truly stopped evolving? Seems these days like certain kinds of people pop out half a dozen kids, whereas other kinds pop out none.
And if you don’t have kids, that’s pretty much equivalent to “dying off”, no?[/quote]
Well, evolution is the change in gene expression in a population over time. So the fact that a few families here and there dont have kids is really irrelevant. Although they have effectively taken themselves out of the gene pool…
What I mean when I say that we have stopped is that we have become able to overcome environmental pressures. Food scarcity is no longer an issue(to some of us…), dramatic weather is not a big issue(throw on a jacket, or turn on the AC), disease is not a big issue(just head to the Dr). All of these things would have killed off the weaker of the species even a few hundred years ago. Truly remarkable if you think about it.
3rd world countries not withstanding of course.
Of course if something like AIDS ever became airborne, there is a small segment of the population who is unable to be infected by it(they lack the receptor necessary for attachment)… They would all be quite fine. But that might cause a whole nother set of immunological problems later on down the road.
You’re getting off subject. This isn’t a thread on evolution.
Besides, your point is not only unrelated but false as well. Technology allows for more, not less. After all it is an adaptation.
I’m not going to explain how biased your point is because you seem to have mentioned it but haven’t emphasized it. I’ll say this much;There are others without the privileges that we have in America.
Our physical evolution is dependent upon by our mental capabilities. With the aid of certain technologies we don’t have to worry about these physical adaptations. We can evolve our minds, physical evolution is too slow anyway, Oldschool.
