Air America Ratings Disaster

Off Topic Politics & World Issues
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[quote]vroom wrote:
When I try to see both sides I got attacked for “running back and forth from one side to the other”

Jesus, Joe, as someone who is apparently not to be named, I must tell you that you don’t really get what people are saying to you.

I wasn’t talking about your argument style at all, but your attempts to please everybody on both sides of the fence.

Look, I agreed with you. You are now my friend. Oh oh, that pissed off so and so. Look, I disagreed with him, are you my friend now? Oh oh, the first person is mad again, let me find a point of agreement so we’ll be friends.

Damnation. If you want to claim to have an opinion, then stake out your claim and defend it. Also, it would be nice if you learned the difference between real insults and casual good humor insults. You tend to throw out some pretty heavy stuff and then think a joke the next day erases it.

Personally, I do a lot of “investigation”, however, the threads rarely result in good discussion to the point that I feel it worth trying to state an opinion. People get “upset” because I won’t state an opinion? How often does anybody simply ask for it? Almost never! They’d rather assume my opinion because I’m busy prying apart poor logic or inconsistent principles.

This is really what I see in ProfX’s posts, consistent and relentless logic applied to posts that don’t follow this standard. You aren’t seeing the Prof push an agenda, you are seeing him rip apart poor thinking.

Don’t like it? Well, damn, sorry, but your thinking is crappy. Come up with good reasons and arguments and it will stop happening.

Grumble grumble.[/quote]

another country heard from.
You and I are not going to agree on ProfX.
Ever.
We may agree on some political stuff–we’re both mostly libertarian at heart, and we both agree deadlifting is fun…even if I do pull more than you with less time at it… :wink:
Let’s just you and I do what they told us to and stop messing with each other.
I dont’ like your logic, you don’t like mine…you don’t think I’m funny, I think you’re funny looking… :slight_smile: …
Truce.

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[quote]so the current scorecard is:
Joe likes RainJack (not in a powda/foopa way either.)
Joe would very much like to like Elk.
Elk and RainJack did manage to get along.
Elk and Joe did too.
RJ and Joe would like to still get along with Elk.

That means…the next move is Elk’s, right? [/quote]

Oh, my mistake, I didn’t realize this place was similar to kindergarten. I’ll keep this in mind from now on.

I’ll be damned if that doesn’t look like a new Barney song or something. Shudder.

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Try it without the insults hidden in “humor”.

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[quote]vroom wrote:
Truce.

Try it without the insults hidden in “humor”.[/quote]

Why?
At this point, why?

I’m sick of dealing with you.
I’m sick of trying to deal with you as an adult.
I tried to respect what T-Mag Mod told me–what she said she told us both, and I don’t think you are, and it doesn’t seem to matter anyway.

So why should I try?

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Joe, Joe, Joe…Joe, Joe, Joe…Joe, Joooooooe, come on bro, get a clue. If this was a prison you’d be some guy named Bubba’s involuntary cellmate.

You are a good guy, just because we may disagree doesn’t mean I hate you or that you’re not a “good Joe”. You do want it both ways much too much.

Even with this last exchange me and 'ol rainman had, I still like the guy. To agree with him (oh dear) it gets pretty hot in this kitchen and that’s what were doing, debating. He said my nose was up ProfX ass. Hey it’s par for the course. I am not going to now tell him umpteen times about it and bring it up two months from now as you sometimes bring shit up.

People have called you on some of your attempts to be to cozy with people and then get your feelings hurt when you decide to drop into a political exchange. Your banter comes across like a hurt little boy trying to console himself. I love the movie Jeremiah Johnson to, but it doesn’t mean I am going to agree with everything else in the world that you do.

You know rainman told me to get my panties unwadded, so I am going to take that into consideration that maybe they were. It doesn’t mean we’re going to agree about ProfX or sing kumbaya, but may feelings haven’t changed about him that I had yesterday.

So, Joe take it easy bro and toughen up a little. Think what would Jeremiah do in this situation?

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[quote]Why?
At this point, why?

I’m sick of dealing with you.
I’m sick of trying to deal with you as an adult. [/quote]

Joe,

I’ve tried quite a few times to let you know where I’m coming from. I think you often see attacks from me where there are none.

I don’t think you even realize it when you are baiting me. Even above you are baiting me. I’m not insulting you when I say this. I’m letting you know my interpretation.

Referring to me as someone to remain unnamed and in a negative manner still piques me. Wouldn’t you feel the same way? Anyway, not an insult, simply my interpretation.

Without rehashing them, you’ve thrown some pretty damned serious insults my way. I feel the ones I’ve been throwing out have been less serious, but perhaps you don’t interpret them as so.

I am simply here to converse. I don’t have to pick a stance and stick by it. I am allowed to ask questions or pry at logic that I find questionable. I am allowed to resist labels I find inappropriate for me.

I know a fair number of people don’t like this. However, it’s not really my responsibility to worry about whether or not people like the way I am interested in discussing topics down here in the politics arena.

Anyway, none of this is meant as an insult or anything like that. Perhaps it will give you some insight into my thinking, perhaps it won’t.

If you want to deal with me as an adult, please, simply, communicate with me as an adult.

Show some respect while avoiding insults and you’ll likely get the same back. This isn’t meant as a backwards looking criticism or slam, just a way to move forward reasonably.

Now, I’m not trying to offend you, but if you do wish to move forward from a state of truce, I need an offer that doesn’t include what I interpret as veiled insults.

If you can’t tell, regardless of the insults I feel you have tossed my way, I am not a man to back down and I won’t swallow what I see as an insult in order to move towards “peace”.

That smacks of appeasement and although I’m labelled liberal, and it’s thought to be a liberal weakness, I damned well won’t do it.

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[quote]Elkhntr1 wrote:
So, Joe take it easy bro and toughen up a little. Think what would Jeremiah do in this situation?[/quote]

isn’t this actually where he’d either go further up in the mountains or kill you and vroom and eat your livers, raw?

LOL.

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[quote]Joe Weider wrote:
Elkhntr1 wrote:
So, Joe take it easy bro and toughen up a little. Think what would Jeremiah do in this situation?

isn’t this actually where he’d either go further up in the mountains or kill you and vroom and eat your livers, raw?

LOL.[/quote]

Maybe this is where he tries not to take things too literally and agrees to disagree, to use a lame phrase. Maybe this is also where he realizes that nothing anyone says is going to change anyone’s personalities or core beliefs and that making personal attacks is a waste of time.

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On a humourous note:

Remember everyone: Hollywood doesn’t make movies that are liberal (ala JFK), they really aren’t that liberal, even if they were, they surely wouldn’t let their bias show through (ala Cannes). They don’t celebrate liberal nut-jobs (f911).

Best part: The Schwarzenegger team dismissing Beaty as a “crackpot.”

End of story!!!

JeffR

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Not a waste of time. Fun!!!

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Actually, most Americans (60%+) are aware of Hollywoods liberal bent.

Always remember, one way to tell someone is liberal is that they will go to great lengths debying they are liberal (as they are accused regularly) And they will tell you that Hollywood is not liberal!

Here is my favorite line from Jeffs link: “Beatty advised the Kerry campaign during the last election” So that’s what happened! LOL

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Actually, most Americans (60%+) are aware of Hollywoods liberal bent.

Always remember, one way to tell someone is liberal is that they will go to great lengths debying they are liberal (as they are accused regularly) And they will tell you that Hollywood is not liberal!

Here is my favorite line from Jeffs link: “Beatty advised the Kerry campaign during the last election” So that’s what happened! LOL[/quote]

You sound ridiculous. If “Hollywood” is liberal does this mean that “America” is conservative?

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No prof. I think it means that Hollywood is liberal and 2/3 of the country knows it.

I don’t think conservative was even mentioned in Zeb’s post.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
No prof. I think it means that Hollywood is liberal and 2/3 of the country knows it.

I don’t think conservative was even mentioned in Zeb’s post. [/quote]

So, is Mel Gibson liberal? Is Arnold S. liberal? Like has been stated in this thread more than enough times, you all exaggerate and extend any logical truth. If all of Hollywood is liberal and 2/3 of the country “knows this” (even though not one source is listed or one reference), then I should be able to state that the entire country is conservative. That is the only way that makes any sense.

The entire country is not conservative. Hollywood is not liberal. Get over it. Go rent a movie and blindfold yourself so that your mind won’t be tainted by the fact that every movie at Blockbuster is liberal propaganda…according to you.

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[quote]Joe Weider wrote:
why does the content suck though?
There are people on this board who hate Limbaugh and say his content sucks. But who’s got the ratings?[/quote]

I know I’m way late to the party, so forgive me if this point has been made (or, as is likely, beaten to death already!):

Perhaps and explanation as to the ratings disparity is this – Limbaugh’s ratings are sky high because both liberals and conservatives listen to him…liberals listen because they hate him (ever see Private Parts? The majority of Stern’s early listeners were Stern haters) and conservatives listen because he spoonfeeds them what to think or what they want to hear…

Conversely (and here’s my pot shot at the righties – don’t dwell on it, I’m partly kidding), liberals don’t need to be spoonfed what to think so they tend not to listen to Air America, and conservatives would never be open minded enough to give it a fair chance.

Also, liberals – not overtly stiff like conservatives – like music, so we might listen to FM quite a bit more than AM.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
So, is Mel Gibson liberal? Is Arnold S. liberal? Like has been stated in this thread more than enough times, you all exaggerate and extend any logical truth. If all of Hollywood is liberal and 2/3 of the country “knows this” (even though not one source is listed or one reference), then I should be able to state that the entire country is conservative. That is the only way that makes any sense.

The entire country is not conservative. Hollywood is not liberal. Get over it. Go rent a movie and blindfold yourself so that your mind won’t be tainted by the fact that every movie at Blockbuster is liberal propaganda…according to you.[/quote]

You just finished crawling all over my ass about using the word ‘elite’ in characterizing your stance on the american voter. You said I was making things up - if I may paraphrase.

Now you go and do the exact same thing. Please show where - according to me EVERY movie is liberal propaganda. I’ve never said such a thing. Now you are the one making shit up - but that’s about par for the course. The closest I’ve come to saying what you are alledging is when I voiced my iopinion about certain agendas that I believe hollywood is pushing.

You are the only one who has even used the word conservative. You are trying to make an argument where there is none. You just pulled it out of the air and are now trying to make an argument out if it.

And I don’t rent movies from blockbuster, anyhow. Just so you know.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
You just finished crawling all over my ass about using the word ‘elite’ in characterizing your stance on the american voter. You said I was making things up - if I may paraphrase.

Now you go and do the exact same thing. Please show where - according to me EVERY movie is liberal propaganda. I’ve never said such a thing. Now you are the one making shit up - but that’s about par for the course. The closest I’ve come to saying what you are alledging is when I voiced my iopinion about certain agendas that I believe hollywood is pushing.

You are the only one who has even used the word conservative. You are trying to make an argument where there is none. You just pulled it out of the air and are now trying to make an argument out if it.

And I don’t rent movies from blockbuster, anyhow. Just so you know.

[/quote]

Now I’m really confused. You can state that all of Hollywood is “liberal”, but if I stated that the entire country is “conservative”, I am just trying to start shit? What if I said all of Hollywood is “conservative”? There, now that isn’t starting anything. I can now add, “2/3 of the people in this country all think that Hollywood is conservative”.

Case closed, all of Hollywood is conservative.

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[quote]Right Side Up wrote:
Joe Weider wrote:
why does the content suck though?
There are people on this board who hate Limbaugh and say his content sucks. But who’s got the ratings?

I know I’m way late to the party, so forgive me if this point has been made (or, as is likely, beaten to death already!):

Perhaps and explanation as to the ratings disparity is this – Limbaugh’s ratings are sky high because both liberals and conservatives listen to him…liberals listen because they hate him (ever see Private Parts? The majority of Stern’s early listeners were Stern haters) and conservatives listen because he spoonfeeds them what to think or what they want to hear…

Conversely (and here’s my pot shot at the righties – don’t dwell on it, I’m partly kidding), liberals don’t need to be spoonfed what to think so they tend not to listen to Air America, and conservatives would never be open minded enough to give it a fair chance.

Also, liberals – not overtly stiff like conservatives – like music, so we might listen to FM quite a bit more than AM. [/quote]

That’s funny. I mean that.
I wonder though if some of the…democrats and/or libs that listen to Limbaugh listen cause they actually like him or find him and the show amusing?
A big part of why I listen is because he amuses the hell out of me. I disagree with him on a bunch of stuff, but he never fails to make me laugh.
But who really likes Al Franken? I’m asking this seriously.
Cause most of the people I know that read his books and stuff don’t actually find him amusing, but they love his message.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Now I’m really confused. You can state that all of Hollywood is “liberal”, but if I stated that the entire country is “conservative”, I am just trying to start shit? What if I said all of Hollywood is “conservative”? There, now that isn’t starting anything. I can now add, “2/3 of the people in this country all think that Hollywood is conservative”.

Case closed, all of Hollywood is conservative.
[/quote]

Isn’t “case closed” what Archie Bunker said when he was losing arguments???

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
rainjack wrote:
You just finished crawling all over my ass about using the word ‘elite’ in characterizing your stance on the american voter. You said I was making things up - if I may paraphrase.

Now you go and do the exact same thing. Please show where - according to me EVERY movie is liberal propaganda. I’ve never said such a thing. Now you are the one making shit up - but that’s about par for the course. The closest I’ve come to saying what you are alledging is when I voiced my iopinion about certain agendas that I believe hollywood is pushing.

You are the only one who has even used the word conservative. You are trying to make an argument where there is none. You just pulled it out of the air and are now trying to make an argument out if it.

And I don’t rent movies from blockbuster, anyhow. Just so you know.

Now I’m really confused. You can state that all of Hollywood is “liberal”, but if I stated that the entire country is “conservative”, I am just trying to start shit? What if I said all of Hollywood is “conservative”? There, now that isn’t starting anything. I can now add, “2/3 of the people in this country all think that Hollywood is conservative”.

Case closed, all of Hollywood is conservative.
[/quote]

You’re the only person using the word conservative. That’s my point. I think the term “Hollywood is liberal” is a generalization that you are trying to make into a literal statement. Not every single person in the entertainment biz is liberal, but the left-leaning slant is such that is is noticeable. Is that better? Would you care to make up another quote and credit it to me? Make sure it’s a good one that you can really knock out of the park, though.

Still waiting on the quote where I said that EVERY movie is liberal propaganda. I guess it’s rather difficult to come up with something you accuse me of saying - when I never said it.