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[quote]rainjack wrote:

You’re the only person using the word conservative. That’s my point. I think the term “Hollywood is liberal” is a generalization that you are trying to make into a literal statement. Not every single person in the entertainment biz is liberal, but the left-leaning slant is such that is is noticeable. Is that better? Would you care to make up another quote and credit it to me? Make sure it’s a good one that you can really knock out of the park, though.

Still waiting on the quote where I said that EVERY movie is liberal propaganda. I guess it’s rather difficult to come up with something you accuse me of saying - when I never said it. [/quote]

OK, so we understand that you DON’T think that every movie is liberal propaganda. Well, that makes me wonder why you would even make a point of trying to form a generalization about the movie industry at all in relation to politics. If Hollywood isn’t making movies with a clear liberal view being promoted as a form of propaganda, and if you honestly believe that they are making movies because those movies sell, then why would you state that there is a liberal slant to Hollywood?

You wrote, “Not every single person in the entertainment biz is liberal, but the left-leaning slant is such that is is noticeable.” Why would it be noticeable if it is just a movie that has no political agenda? That would mean your perception could be completely wrong and that someone else could see the same movie and NOT draw that conclusion. That brings your belief into question as far as it being true or not.

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[quote]Joe Weider wrote:
But who really likes Al Franken? I’m asking this seriously.
Cause most of the people I know that read his books and stuff don’t actually find him amusing, but they love his message.
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I think he’s quite witty. His books don’t sell as well as they do purely because people like his message. He’s got the ability to make his message more appealing through humor.

…and who doesn’t have a soft spot for “Pat?”

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
OK, so we understand that you DON’T think that every movie is liberal propaganda. Well, that makes me wonder why you would even make a point of trying to form a generalization about the movie industry at all in relation to politics. If Hollywood isn’t making movies with a clear liberal view being promoted as a form of propaganda, and if you honestly believe that they are making movies because those movies sell, then why would you state that there is a liberal slant to Hollywood?[/quote]

Because, although not every movie is propaganda, there are those movies that are pretty much propaganda pieces. You are using extremes to make your point. That make your point a bad one. I have yet to argue anything wrt Hollywood in extremes. For some reason you are trying to make a point where there is none. I stated that there is a liberal slant because there is.

You are mistaking the movies for the industry itself - or purposely jumbling the two to twist the argument. You are also arguing extremes again. If you don’t think Hollywood is liberal - think that all you want. I’m not sure what your point is.

I was just clarifying ZEB’s point.

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[quote]Right Side Up wrote:
Joe Weider wrote:
why does the content suck though?
There are people on this board who hate Limbaugh and say his content sucks. But who’s got the ratings?

I know I’m way late to the party, so forgive me if this point has been made (or, as is likely, beaten to death already!):[/quote]

RSU, as far as I’m concerned you are never “late to the party.” Anytime you show up is fine with me! Your perspective as a liberal is always welcomed!

I would agree with the first part, but I just don’t think you can prove that conservatives need to be “spoonfed.”

I’m not dwelling on it but you are very far from the truth with thiis attack. Open minded enough? Who ushered in the thought police, and PC language? The liberals! Is that "open minded?

This is possibly your most erroneous remark (it’s close with a few others). We conservatives are all so stiff we don’t listen to music as much LOL. That was a good one!

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[quote]rainjack wrote:

You are mistaking the movies for the industry itself - or purposely jumbling the two to twist the argument. You are also arguing extremes again. If you don’t think Hollywood is liberal - think that all you want. I’m not sure what your point is.

I was just clarifying ZEB’s point.

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My point is, I am trying to clarify YOUR point. What good does it do you to even attempt to point out a political agenda in Hollywood? How is that helping or hurting you? Why would this EVER cross your mind unless this is in strict regards to a political piece like 9/11? Are there some people in South Africa who may be “liberals”? Why are you not pointing them out as well? That makes about as much sense as even dwelling on the thought long enough to form this conclusion. Why would it matter to you?

If “Hollywood” is “liberal”, but MOVIES aren’t, what is your point? That some people are liberal? Oh dear, the horror. I would bet that some are conservative too. I had better hurry up and make a grand generalization…for no reason.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
I’m not dwelling on it but you are very far from the truth with thiis attack. Open minded enough? Who ushered in the thought police, and PC language? The liberals! Is that "open minded?

[/quote]

And who loves censorship?

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[quote]Right Side Up wrote:
Joe Weider wrote:
But who really likes Al Franken? I’m asking this seriously.
Cause most of the people I know that read his books and stuff don’t actually find him amusing, but they love his message.

I think he’s quite witty. His books don’t sell as well as they do purely because people like his message. He’s got the ability to make his message more appealing through humor.

…and who doesn’t have a soft spot for “Pat?”

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No question Al Franken is very witty! Al Franken is by nature funnier than any of the political talking heads (or voices in this case).

The problem is when he stops being funny and tries to talk about politics he comes off as disgruntled and sometimes even hateful, so much for humor!

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[quote]Right Side Up wrote:
Joe Weider wrote:
But who really likes Al Franken? I’m asking this seriously.
Cause most of the people I know that read his books and stuff don’t actually find him amusing, but they love his message.

I think he’s quite witty. His books don’t sell as well as they do purely because people like his message. He’s got the ability to make his message more appealing through humor.

…and who doesn’t have a soft spot for “Pat?”

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But do you think he’s witty because he really is or because of you have a soft spot for the message?
It’s just like me–I like Limbaugh b/c he says some of what I think and it’s nice to hear, and he makes me laugh.

I don’t care about arguing witty or not or whatever, btw.
I’m just curious. The only person I know who actually listens to Air America is a slightly addled old lady who back in 91 had occasion to loan a card table to the Clinton campaign, and now has it set up in her formal living room with a little folded paper dealie referring to it as the “William Jefferson Clinton” table, along with the thank you not he “signed” in a little frame.
I’m not lying. It kind of freaks me out a little.
:wink:

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
ZEB wrote:
I’m not dwelling on it but you are very far from the truth with thiis attack. Open minded enough? Who ushered in the thought police, and PC language? The liberals! Is that "open minded?

And who loves censorship?[/quote]

Funny how libs are always trying to shut people like Limbaugh and Hannity down.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
My point is, I am trying to clarify YOUR point. What good does it do you to even attempt to point out a political agenda in Hollywood? How is that helping or hurting you? Why would this EVER cross your mind unless this is in strict regards to a political piece like 9/11? Are there some people in South Africa who may be “liberals”? Why are you not pointing them out as well? That makes about as much sense as even dwelling on the thought long enough to form this conclusion. Why would it matter to you?[/quote]

This is what I wrote wrt ZEB’s post:
[i] No prof. I think it means that Hollywood is liberal and 2/3 of the country knows it.

I don’t think conservative was even mentioned in Zeb’s post.[/i]

I’ve already said that it is a generalization of the industry, not a literal statement.

I ask your same question back to you - What does it matter to you that 60% of america views hollywood as liberal? Seems to me you are wsting a lot of time arguing made up points on an issue that you don’t think should matter to me.

I just have to wonder why it matters to you?

[quote]
If “Hollywood” is “liberal”, but MOVIES aren’t, what is your point? That some people are liberal? Oh dear, the horror. I would bet that some are conservative too. I had better hurry up and make a grand generalization…for no reason.[/quote]

You don’t comprehend very well. You are trying to argue extremes, and I’m just saying that as a general rule, hollywood is liberal - as are many of the movies.

You’ve been putting words in my mouth all morning, prof - I don’t see why you wouldn’t go ahead and create even more positions for me.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:
Right Side Up wrote:
Joe Weider wrote:
But who really likes Al Franken? I’m asking this seriously.
Cause most of the people I know that read his books and stuff don’t actually find him amusing, but they love his message.

I think he’s quite witty. His books don’t sell as well as they do purely because people like his message. He’s got the ability to make his message more appealing through humor.

…and who doesn’t have a soft spot for “Pat?”

No question Al Franken is very witty! Al Franken is by nature funnier than any of the political talking heads (or voices in this case).

The problem is when he stops being funny and tries to talk about politics he comes off as disgruntled and sometimes even hateful, so much for humor!

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Zeb, you really think Franken is witty?
I’ve never thought he was, even before he started the political stuff.

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[quote]Joe Weider wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Right Side Up wrote:
Joe Weider wrote:
But who really likes Al Franken? I’m asking this seriously.
Cause most of the people I know that read his books and stuff don’t actually find him amusing, but they love his message.

I think he’s quite witty. His books don’t sell as well as they do purely because people like his message. He’s got the ability to make his message more appealing through humor.

…and who doesn’t have a soft spot for “Pat?”

No question Al Franken is very witty! Al Franken is by nature funnier than any of the political talking heads (or voices in this case).

The problem is when he stops being funny and tries to talk about politics he comes off as disgruntled and sometimes even hateful, so much for humor!

Zeb, you really think Franken is witty?
I’ve never thought he was, even before he started the political stuff.

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Yea, I really do Joe. I used to watch him on SNL and laugh hysterically.

Like many (75% or so according to statistics) celebrities he is a liberal. But, just because someone is a liberal that doesn’t mean that they can’t be funny, or entertaining. It just means they aren’t perfect! :slight_smile:

Keep the faith Joe and don’t let the negative people pull you down.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

Yea, I really do Joe. I used to watch him on SNL and laugh hysterically.

Like many (75% or so according to statistics) celebrities he is a liberal. But, just because someone is a liberal that doesn’t mean that they can’t be funny, or entertaining. It just means they aren’t perfect! :slight_smile:

Keep the faith Joe and don’t let the negative people pull you down.

[/quote]

Cool. I never got the whole SNL thing anyway.
I think it’s a personal failing!
And certainly, if someone’s liberal it doesn’t make them bad, it just makes them wrong :wink:
(j/k).
One of my best friends is so liberal it hurts me sometimes. And sometimes we get so hung up arguing politics that we don’t speak for a week or so.
Liberals are people too!!!
:wink:

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
The Mage wrote:
Most media is liberal. Movies, television, newspapers. All liberal, regardless of how people want to argue it.

I am amazed that you walk through life trying to turn everything into a liberal vs conservative battle for your attention. I can’t think of one movie I have seen where I sat there and said, “That was so conservative” or, “I can’t believe how liberal that was!”. Going out on a Friday night must suck for you.[/quote]

Blade: Trinity, Daywalker’s capturing scene with HHH and Faruzia Balk and a ‘psychologist’:

Psychologist: Do you know what day it is?

Blade: (no responce)

P: Do you know where you are? What city you are in?

D: (no responce)

P: Do you know who the President is?

B: …An asshole.

(moment of silence, then some shouts from the crowd in Lowes Cineplex, Palisades NY: “Yea!”, “Bush Fucking Sucks!”, “Fuck Bush!”, etc etc etc, so on and so forth. )

By the way Im a Democrat.

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[quote]rainjack wrote:
I ask your same question back to you - What does it matter to you that 60% of america views hollywood as liberal? Seems to me you are wsting a lot of time arguing made up points on an issue that you don’t think should matter to me.

I just have to wonder why it matters to you?

[/quote]

But this has been answered several times in this thread. It is because it seems to be a drive for many conservatives to try and pick out how they are being downtrodden by liberal views everywhere. It is as if they must fight back against the massive liberal views being forced upon them. It has gotten pretty ridiculous when most of what we hear (or read) on this forum is, “all universities are liberal”, “All of Hollywood is liberal”, Every movie is making the military out to be evil". It is ridiculous. It would seem to me the goal is to attain even more power for conservatives by trying to create some “liberal conspiracy” designed to attack all conservative values. The simple state of mind that would look for “liberals” at every corner indicates this. It isn’t one thing, it seems to be EVERYTHING. I mean, you did read that “Boy who cried wolf” story, right?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
But this has been answered several times in this thread. It is because it seems to be a drive for many conservatives to try and pick out how they are being downtrodden by liberal views everywhere. It is as if they must fight back against the massive liberal views being forced upon them. It has gotten pretty ridiculous when most of what we hear (or read) on this forum is, “all universities are liberal”, “All of Hollywood is liberal”, Every movie is making the military out to be evil". It is ridiculous. It would seem to me the goal is to attain even more power for conservatives by trying to create some “liberal conspiracy” designed to attack all conservative values. The simple state of mind that would look for “liberals” at every corner indicates this. It isn’t one thing, it seems to be EVERYTHING. I mean, you did read that “Boy who cried wolf” story, right?[/quote]

I think the Republicans are creating plenty of power for themselves by just winning elections.

I think it has been shown time and again, that liberal bias exists in Hollywood, the Press, and in higher education. It is you that seems to want to take it to extremes and make the points made absolutes. All or nothing. It is an argument manufactured by you so that you can be right. Never mind that you are fighting windmills, or strawmen. You are indeed correct in every argument you’ve fabricated.

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[quote]BluePfaltz wrote:
Professor X wrote:
The Mage wrote:
Most media is liberal. Movies, television, newspapers. All liberal, regardless of how people want to argue it.

I am amazed that you walk through life trying to turn everything into a liberal vs conservative battle for your attention. I can’t think of one movie I have seen where I sat there and said, “That was so conservative” or, “I can’t believe how liberal that was!”. Going out on a Friday night must suck for you.

Blade: Trinity, Daywalker’s capturing scene with HHH and Faruzia Balk and a ‘psychologist’:

Psychologist: Do you know what day it is?

Blade: (no responce)

P: Do you know where you are? What city you are in?

D: (no responce)

P: Do you know who the President is?

B: …An asshole.

(moment of silence, then some shouts from the crowd in Lowes Cineplex, Palisades NY: “Yea!”, “Bush Fucking Sucks!”, “Fuck Bush!”, etc etc etc, so on and so forth. )

By the way Im a Democrat.
[/quote]

I like movies…a lot, but I hated what they did with Blade Trinity. That aside, because some fools in a theater latched onto this, it means this was politically biased? The movie wasn’t even supposed to be “America”. There is proof to this by the use of Esperanto in the first few scenes of the movie when Whistler buys a newspaper. That wasn’t english…on purpose. The guy selling the newspaper is the director of the film. That was his cameo. This is also why Ryan Reynold’s character was watching the William Shatner movie Incubus on tv after he was injured…it was in honor of the only movie that used Esperanto throughout the entire film.

From Wikapedia, “Esperanto is a constructed international language. The name derives from “Dr. Esperanto”, the pseudonym under which L. L. Zamenhof first published a schema of the language in 1887. Zamenhof wished to create an easy-to-learn, universal second language. Although no nation or supranational entity has adopted the language officially, it has, since its publication, enjoyed continuous usage by a small (but growing) community. Today, Esperanto is employed in world travel, correspondence, cultural exchange, conventions, literature, and language instruction. It is humanity’s most widely used constructed language; a few native Esperanto speakers exist.”

The entire story was morphed from the original storyline which had this set over 50 years in the future. You can get this info from the DVD extras. That means the idiots in your theater who assumed that this was a direct Bush plug didn’t exactly have it right. However, as you can see, people will make anything into what they want to believe.