[quote]Professor X wrote:
forbes wrote:
please help Thibs. i want help. can you give me a good training program for me. i WOULD post pics, but dont have a digital cam.
i know you’re the man to turn to for this 
Your problem is NOT the training program.[/quote]
Agreed.
alright Thibs. i agree that it wouldnt be fair for your other clients who pay you for this. and i do agree that my workouts should be mostly compound movements. but in my upper/lower example, even though i may have 2 isolation exercise per compound, im only doing like 2 sets of each of them, whereas with the compound, im doing like 4.
i think my diet setup is good, i just think that im not eating enough however.
so to all of you NOT requesting money (lol), what should i do in regard to diet? Anabolic diet? CT’s Carb Cycling Codex? Morning Carbs, Evening Fats?
as for training, i was thinking (but not limiting myself to) Chad Waterbury’s TBT. JJ, i like how you periodized things well, but i dont like separating strength qualities. i like them in the same microcycle.
also, im starting university soon, plus a job, and won’t be able to train for long in a given workout.
im still open to all suggestions. if anyone feels like i hate their suggestions, thats simply not the case. im just trying to get as much feedback as possible and making my own decision based on all of them
thank you all (you to JJ)
[quote] JJ wrote:
Tate - that is where scotts view got misconstrued, as Tate i believe DOES advocate pure Compound - but Tatey is a PL cum BB… so thats that.
Joe[/quote]
One last thing.
Tate isn’t pure Compound. I don’t really need to prove this. Just Read his Time Based Hypertrophy article and look at the Barbell Exercise Index (where almost a third of the exercises are Curl variants).
I just tried to use his words to get across the point of where beginners should be focusing their efforts.
What should a 190lb aspiring bodybuilder do to beef up their lagging Chest? It’s probably time to experiment with some different Chest Fly variations in addition the the pressing they’re already doing.
What should a 98 pound weakling do to beef up his lagging chest? Just Presses. He doesn’t need to worry about if he’s shoulder or arm dominant and his Pecs aren’t getting enough stimulus. He just needs to put some heavy iron through his system and eat some food.
[quote]forbes wrote:
alright Thibs. i agree that it wouldnt be fair for your other clients who pay you for this. and i do agree that my workouts should be mostly compound movements. but in my upper/lower example, even though i may have 2 isolation exercise per compound, im only doing like 2 sets of each of them, whereas with the compound, im doing like 4.
i think my diet setup is good, i just think that im not eating enough however.
so to all of you NOT requesting money (lol), what should i do in regard to diet? Anabolic diet? CT’s Carb Cycling Codex? Morning Carbs, Evening Fats?
as for training, i was thinking (but not limiting myself to) Chad Waterbury’s TBT. JJ, i like how you periodized things well, but i dont like separating strength qualities. i like them in the same microcycle.
also, im starting university soon, plus a job, and won’t be able to train for long in a given workout.
im still open to all suggestions. if anyone feels like i hate their suggestions, thats simply not the case. im just trying to get as much feedback as possible and making my own decision based on all of them
thank you all (you to JJ) [/quote]
Why is someone as light as you worried about “morning carbs” or “evening fats”?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
forbes wrote:
alright Thibs. i agree that it wouldnt be fair for your other clients who pay you for this. and i do agree that my workouts should be mostly compound movements. but in my upper/lower example, even though i may have 2 isolation exercise per compound, im only doing like 2 sets of each of them, whereas with the compound, im doing like 4.
i think my diet setup is good, i just think that im not eating enough however.
so to all of you NOT requesting money (lol), what should i do in regard to diet? Anabolic diet? CT’s Carb Cycling Codex? Morning Carbs, Evening Fats?
as for training, i was thinking (but not limiting myself to) Chad Waterbury’s TBT. JJ, i like how you periodized things well, but i dont like separating strength qualities. i like them in the same microcycle.
also, im starting university soon, plus a job, and won’t be able to train for long in a given workout.
im still open to all suggestions. if anyone feels like i hate their suggestions, thats simply not the case. im just trying to get as much feedback as possible and making my own decision based on all of them
thank you all (you to JJ)
Why is someone as light as you worried about “morning carbs” or “evening fats”?[/quote]
Because you’ll get fat otherwise, duh 
insulin sensitivity isnt optimal. i want to gain a much muscle with as little fat as possible. i highly doubt that a constant insulin secretion is necessary for muscle growth. thats why i want to get the good muscle building benefits of insulin, but not its lipogenic. to do that i need some insulin surges throughout the day, but not ALL day. remember, im looking at 1-2 pounds of muscle a MONTH. no need to go crazy with carbs.
I see somethings have been cleared up.
Anyway, forbes I think you need to take a step back and stick with the basics (I’ll pretty much be re-iterating what others have said here), else you’ll end up running around in circles.
Eat enough every day, even the days you don’t lift - just limit carbs and increase protein on those days but keep you calories above maintenance; you are growing on the days you’re recovering.
Pick one program and stick to it - most of the programs on here will give you good results provided you put the effort in. Hell, just doing a simple 3 day split will give you good results.
Do your own reading, you can’t expect everyone to serve it up on a platter for you.
If you really want to get bigger and stronger, than plan everything around getting to the gym, lifting heavy and eating enough - don’t make excuses because people don’t care.
We all have jobs/studying/families/etc, you’re not the only one who has to actually work at getting to the gym.
[quote]forbes wrote:
insulin sensitivity isnt optimal. i want to gain a much muscle with as little fat as possible. i highly doubt that a constant insulin secretion is necessary for muscle growth. thats why i want to get the good muscle building benefits of insulin, but not its lipogenic. to do that i need some insulin surges throughout the day, but not ALL day. remember, im looking at 1-2 pounds of muscle a MONTH. no need to go crazy with carbs. [/quote]
Yes, insulin, THE most anabolic hormone in your body, should be avoided.
There is a reason those guys who don’t stress this much about a little body fat are SO much more muscular than the guys who do.
Most of the guys who do approach training as if they are trying to LIMIT their progress (like your 1-2lbs a month) never make much progress.
Up to now, you seem to be representing this well.
[quote]FightingScott wrote:
JJ wrote:
Tate - that is where scotts view got misconstrued, as Tate i believe DOES advocate pure Compound - but Tatey is a PL cum BB… so thats that.
Joe
One last thing.
Tate isn’t pure Compound. I don’t really need to prove this. Just Read his Time Based Hypertrophy article and look at the Barbell Exercise Index (where almost a third of the exercises are Curl variants).
I just tried to use his words to get across the point of where beginners should be focusing their efforts.
What should a 190lb aspiring bodybuilder do to beef up their lagging Chest? It’s probably time to experiment with some different Chest Fly variations in addition the the pressing they’re already doing.
What should a 98 pound weakling do to beef up his lagging chest? Just Presses. He doesn’t need to worry about if he’s shoulder or arm dominant and his Pecs aren’t getting enough stimulus. He just needs to put some heavy iron through his system and eat some food.
[/quote]
Fair enough, and i agree.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
forbes wrote:
insulin sensitivity isnt optimal. i want to gain a much muscle with as little fat as possible. i highly doubt that a constant insulin secretion is necessary for muscle growth. thats why i want to get the good muscle building benefits of insulin, but not its lipogenic. to do that i need some insulin surges throughout the day, but not ALL day. remember, im looking at 1-2 pounds of muscle a MONTH. no need to go crazy with carbs.
Yes, insulin, THE most anabolic hormone in your body, should be avoided.
There is a reason those guys who don’t stress this much about a little body fat are SO much more muscular than the guys who do.
Most of the guys who do approach training as if they are trying to LIMIT their progress (like your 1-2lbs a month) never make much progress.
Up to now, you seem to be representing this well.[/quote]
do you ever get tired? of beating your head against the wall? LOL
You should just write an article and have it handy to copy and paste whenvever this topic comes up
[quote]forbes wrote:
alright Thibs. i agree that it wouldnt be fair for your other clients who pay you for this. and i do agree that my workouts should be mostly compound movements. but in my upper/lower example, even though i may have 2 isolation exercise per compound, im only doing like 2 sets of each of them, whereas with the compound, im doing like 4.
i think my diet setup is good, i just think that im not eating enough however.
so to all of you NOT requesting money (lol), what should i do in regard to diet? Anabolic diet? CT’s Carb Cycling Codex? Morning Carbs, Evening Fats?
as for training, i was thinking (but not limiting myself to) Chad Waterbury’s TBT. JJ, i like how you periodized things well, but i dont like separating strength qualities. i like them in the same microcycle.
also, im starting university soon, plus a job, and won’t be able to train for long in a given workout.
im still open to all suggestions. if anyone feels like i hate their suggestions, thats simply not the case. im just trying to get as much feedback as possible and making my own decision based on all of them
thank you all (you to JJ) [/quote]
Well your issue with linear periodisation is EVERYONES issue with it!
You could do 1 week at 8-12 reps, 1 week at 12-15, 1 week at 5-9 reps and another at 15-20 then repeat… that is alternating periodisation… or maybe do different set and rep schemes each time you train over a cycle of 8 SESSIONS. thats undulating - or near as dammit…
You choose.
[quote] JJ wrote:
You could do 1 week at 8-12 reps, 1 week at 12-15, 1 week at 5-9 reps and another at 15-20 then repeat… that is alternating periodisation… or maybe do different set and rep schemes each time you train over a cycle of 8 SESSIONS. thats undulating - or near as dammit…
You choose.[/quote]
Should he use the Pendulum wave?
This one’s for you, Professor X
OP, for all your dieting needs
Just want all of you to know I got the runs last night so I’m down a few pounds. Saw parts of my abs I don’t normally see. I’ll be doing the manly thing tonight and be gettin’ a big steak and big beer for dinner. At least 40oz of both.
Prof X, i agree that i havent made to as much progress that i’d like cuz im afraind of the gaining fat part of gaining muscle. but are you gonna go against CT and say that gaining only 1-2 pounds of muscle a month is not a good idea?
[quote]forbes wrote:
Prof X, i agree that i havent made to as much progress that i’d like cuz im afraind of the gaining fat part of gaining muscle. but are you gonna go against CT and say that gaining only 1-2 pounds of muscle a month is not a good idea? [/quote]
A beginner can gain more, someone like professor X who is much more advance would probably do better focusing on a little slower.
[quote]forbes wrote:
Prof X, i agree that i havent made to as much progress that i’d like cuz im afraind of the gaining fat part of gaining muscle. but are you gonna go against CT and say that gaining only 1-2 pounds of muscle a month is not a good idea? [/quote]
I could care less who I go against. I get paid for my opinion everyday. I think it is retarded to put specific number rules out there to begin with. There is a huge difference between MAKING SURE you gain a certain amount every month and TRYING TO PREVENT gaining any more than that.
One allows your body to grow according to its own genetics. The other has the potential to restrict progress.
It is NOT uncommon for someone who is not an advanced trainer to gain more muscle than that in one month. If that is the case, why would someone like that worry this much about making sure they ONLY gain 1lb a month?
[quote]forbes wrote:
so to all of you NOT requesting money (lol), what should i do in regard to diet? Anabolic diet? CT’s Carb Cycling Codex? Morning Carbs, Evening Fats? [/quote]
Buy a cheap notebook. Write down what you eat, calorie+nutrient breakdowns. At the end of the day make sure you got enough(in order of importance):
Calories
Protein
Carbs
Fat(all 3 kinds)
I don’t think even X is trying to tell you to eat 800g of carbs a day, but you aren’t trying to cut, you don’t need to keep your carbs to only pre+postworkout. What he is trying to tell you though is that you aren’t a fatass, and you aren’t trying to lean out right now; you can afford to eat some pizza with your buddies on Friday night.
Edit: Keyword SOME, I’m not saying go the powerlifter route and drop a box of twinkies a day(although apparently it fucking works judging by some of the “cut” pictures of PLers lately.)
[quote]forbes wrote:
Prof X, i agree that i havent made to as much progress that i’d like cuz im afraind of the gaining fat part of gaining muscle. but are you gonna go against CT and say that gaining only 1-2 pounds of muscle a month is not a good idea? [/quote]
those numbers are for more advanced people and they refer to muscle tissue. You also gain water weight + fat when you put on weight. So let’s still assume that as a beginner you want to take it safe and put on 2-3 pounds a month (1-2 pound muscle plus water+fat). That means that in a year you’ll comeback 30 pounds heavier. Are you willing to do that? Are you willing to put on 30 pounds by next year? and don’t forget that this is a conservative number for a beginner. If your answer is yes, then prove it and post in this thread next year.
This is not about “somebody going against somebody”, this is about you, your choices and your dedication. Everybody in here, including CT and professor x, would appreciate it if you came back 30#s heavier a year later. I think what other people are questioning and what you need to be honest about is, can you really do it, do you have what it takes? fuck everything else. and if you think you can, then you should.
[quote]medevac wrote:
forbes wrote:
remember though, my weight and height may not be big, my my BF% is 13%. thats more of an important factor than weight or height. according to Charles Poliquin, im fat!
Sounds like you maybe are already leaning to the wrong side and are trying to justify trying to lose some body fat.
I have problems with your numbers… at 5’9" and 150 lbs I doubt you are 13% body fat unless your muscles are actually concave. Did you use a scale impedance test? Woefully inaccurate.
At any rate, you should post this in the beginners section because that’s what it’s for. As far as workouts, doesn’t really matter not one bit. If you did splits or full body or whatever at this stage is fine.[/quote]
Yea those body fat tests can be innaccurate. I took one a couple of years back for a police exam. I was 5’11 165lbs and they said I had 12% bodyfat, oh btw I was running 70 miles a week and could run a sub 4:30 mile so I highly doubt I was 12% body fat.
Maybe some pics would help, but it sounds like you should bulk, unless your going for the tayshaun prince look.
[quote]bostonbigticket wrote:
Maybe some pics would help, but it sounds like you should bulk, unless your going for the tayshaun prince look.[/quote]
Who wouldn’t want to look like this beast.
Looks like a Teradactyl lol