[quote]Professor X wrote:
JJ wrote:
rsg wrote:
Professor X wrote:
FightingScott wrote:
Professor X wrote:
Worst logic ever.
Everyone, ignore what I’ve written. It’s wrong.
forbes, I don’t know what you should do.
I have no idea. Not in the slightest.
Apparently you don’t since you are just copying and pasting. Please explain to me why you shouldn’t do isolation exercises “because you can’t flex bone”, but those compound exercises DON’T require muscle to begin using them?
They are ALL used to build sizer and strength. Poor logic would be the assumption that they should be avoided because you lack muscle mass…WHEN THAT IS WHY YOU LIFT WEIGHTS.
When will this become common knowledge?
While Mr Tate may have his motives for avoiding isolation exercises (apart from being a powerlifter and ones mentioned in the previous posts), it’s retarded to believe that avoiding isolation exercises on body parts will make them grow better.
Lets all just believe everything we read without actually trying it out, and seeing what works better.
That isnt what ANYONE is saying. It isnt that avoiding isolation exercise will; make him grow better!!wtf?
It is simply as a beginner, he may as well focus on the exercises that use the most muscle as possible, read my post again, 80% compound/money exercises. To create more hormone response, to use the time effectively, to lift more weight to use more muscles - these things build raw strength and size… then he can concentrate on concentration curls and db scott curls to accentuate his peaks!
See what i mean? It isnt avoid all isolation… Bodybuilding isnt about avoiding 1 single thing. it is about NOT avoiding anything to build the most muscle and have it as perfectly formed as possible.
Not 100% compound. Not 100% machines… but as a beginner, the majority, heavy, compound, bilateral, often barbell movements.
You cannot disagree with this in all reason.
JJ
This thinking hasn’t done much but make this very confusing. Bodybuilding is NOT confusing. If you want big legs, you do squats, leg presses, leg curls, and deadlifts. No one needs to worry about whether it is “80% compound”. It is common knowledge in bodybuilding that you do a “mass builder” before you do any smaller exercises. That means BENCH PRESS and not pec deck first.
This “anti-isolation” movement is retarded and, if you haven’t noticed, that is exactly what some are recommending.
There is no reason at all for someone to avoid biceps curls. Why the fuck would someone avoid this exercise?[/quote]
I hadnt noticed actually. and i do agree with you.
However, my “80%” honestly isnt meant to be 80%!! it was a rough estimate for the OP who is a beginner to see that the VAST MAJORITY of exercises in his workouts are going to be of a certain kind (which included curls by the way! 
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Now it has turned into some large debate about something else, please dont bring up a quote of mine that is taken out of context into a more advanced situation where i would never have used it. It was intended primarily to simplify something for a beginner, and did just that. At that time. That time is past, and my point is made. Leave that quote where it belongs, in the context it was meant, thanks!
Not having a go - this is a polite request, i do agree… as bodybuilders we use a massive range of exercises in the hope of a wide development, proportions and symmetry.
Who said “NO TO ISOLATION?” It wasnt Scott was it? I thought his was the brunt of mine… do money exercises basically. I see that the argument/debate is not about my post, but someone elses, so i shall quietly step back after making this point.
And thankyou,
JJ
