Good morning all
Question is regarding NPP for older with past heart issue.
Wanting to add NPP for the joint effect. 54 yrs old, 30+ years lifting. Had heart attack 2yrs ago, all markers have been good since then. BP usually 115/75 on average. Mostly TRT since with small blasts of 4-500 test, occasional 4-6 weeks with 50mg Anavar. TRT is 100mg Test C 2 times week. bodyfat is probably 18%. 5’7" 210lbs.
Wanting to try 150mg a week of NPP. Joints are old and beat. No more harsh compounds for me. Have plenty of cycle experience, Tren, EQ, Drol, Dbol, Mast, SDrol, Ment. Any suggestions is appreciated.
So you’re on low dose BnC at 54 years old with a prior heart attack, and want to see how quickly you can land a 2nd heart attack?
I think there’s a time and place to act your age, and i think they are now and here, respectively.
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Understood. Much appreciated.
Any recommendations for the sore joints? Already taking Krill oil. Tried Glucosamine, never seemed to do anything.
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Some people seemed to get good results from Deca. Do you have any experience with this? It might be worth your time to lower test a bit and introduce low dose Deca and see how you feel.
^not recommended if you’ve already got high prolactin
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I’ve used Deca in the past, sorta why i mentioned NPP. Not same results?
i plan to lower Test to 150 /week and remain as healthy as possible. How low of a Deca dose do you think would be worth trying. Probably not good to go over 200? Start at 100/week?
Deca and NPP should be about the same for results, just one is fast and clears quickly (NPP), and one is slow and clears slow (Deca).
I’d stay away from both though since you’ve had a heart attack. I’d stay away from everything but your TRT regimen, and that I’d evaluate to make sure you aren’t over doing it (which 200 mg/wk likely is with your heart history). No more blast and cruising.
I don’t want to seem harsh, or condescending. I think this is the advice that is best for longevity. I don’t want to give advice that could kill someone.
I’d research stuff like BPC-157 for joint issues instead of AAS.
I wish you the best!
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Thank you. Both guys. Better ideas.
Going to get bloodwork and check everything at 200 Test/week.
I’ve looked into BPC and TB500. Definitely easy to get. Know anything about combining the 2? Agreed, no more B&C. I’d rather be around longer. Diet is good, with occasional slip. Mainly chicken and fish with vegetables. Also fish oil and Superfoods, minerals and D3 have been daily for a few years.
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I’ve used my TRT dose of 180mg/wk test with 125mg/wk deca and had relief. You need to remember though that deca/npp is only masking underlying issues and you should find out what is actually causing the pain and get that resolved. Also make sure your getting your bloodwork done if you go this route.
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I know people that have used both together with good results. I don’t know if just one would have had the same results though.
Another thing to consider at least for lifting joint pain are things like knee sleeves, elbow sleeves and hot pants. They basically give a bit of compression and a lot of heat. I’ve noticed my knees are less sore the next day if I use knee sleeves.
Elbow and shoulder issues I’ve had the best results by reducing the volume of exercises that bother those joints. It sucks, but it’s part of the game.
HGH can be great for joints too, but I don’t know enough to recommend it. I’m not sure on it’s impact to the heart. It’s really expensive though unless obtained underground.
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Gatekeeping steroids? Most steroids were developed for therapeutic and/or performance enhancing purposes, not to get huge. The only exception that comes to mind is Tren which was developed to put on muscle and cut fat in cattle. There are 70 and 80 year old people using steroids responsibly to improve their lives and health.
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Currently using elbow and knee sleeves. Shoulders are the main issue, years of wear and tear. Constantly employing internal and external strengthening exercises. Has helped some. Guess i just need to lighten the load some. Squatting is the main aggravator of the shoulders due to limited mobility. Knees not so bad, widened my stance and pushing knees out has helped tremendously. More of a powerlifting squat for years.
Shall wait and see when the younger gents age and still want to perform. It is a different game when the heart is an issue, but i’m determined to push forward. Physician has already stated that I’ve recovered quicker than he has ever seen. I’m sure it has alot to do with TRT.
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I applaud your tenacity and determination to get and stay healthy. Keep going and your knee and elbow supports will be gathering dust in your closet before you know it. I was in elbow, ankle, and knee sleeves for three years. There are things you can gradually add to comfort your joints: lite joint rotational motions; yoga; stretching; etc. Hydration and electrolytes, and pH balance will help a LOT with joints. I would suggest buying some pH urine test strips from Amazon and add 1/4 - 1/2 tsp baking soda to your shakes IF you are acidic rather than alkaline. Because of my acidic levels pre and post workout, I use 1/4tsp three times a day.
As far as Nandrolone, here are my cautions: Nandrolone (like tren) requires ancillary drugs to handle the side effects. I don’t like those so I avoid it. I also don’t like that my athletic speed drops by a few MPH when using Nandrolone. However, I do use 200mg NPP as needed to comfort the joints when they get really bad. Although I have used Nandrolone for joints, it reduces athletic speed by a few MPH / % so I try to avoid it and stick to supplements instead.
Did you read the initial post?
Op has had a recent heart attack.
SSB, buffalo/ duffalo, and camber bar have helped me here. I prefer the duffalo.
There are a number of ailments that are challenging to the human body with a heart attack being the most serious. Does that give you or anyone else the right to make up someone else’s mind? People of all ages, babies to seniors, can benefit from the right steroid used responsibly. Reducing fat, especially visceral fat, can make you healthier especially when it comes to the heart. There are many uses for steroids. Sometimes I read these replies and think that bodybuilders must think everyone wants to be huge and therefore everyone must use steroids the way bodybuilders do. Reducing joint pain can improve your quality of life which likely leads to more exercise, positive outlook, etc.
Define “responsibly”, please.
@Andrewgen_Receptors was clearly looking after the OPs best interest. Nandrolone in short or long ester matter not, neither should be used after a heart attack unless one wishes to YOLO a shorter life. If that’s on the table give it go.
If OP values longevity a TRT dose would be optimal and I’m not talking TOT or TRT+. If not, the sky is the limit. Hell throw some more shit in there.
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Mostly use the Duffalo bar, switch out with SSB for a couple weeks. Even the Duffalo bar is rough on my shoulders, but after the first couple sets not so bad. Constantly working on range of motion, just so beat up. Have had 3 shoulder surgeries in the past, but keep working on it.
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Appreciate the advice, and i will take heed. That is why I posted. Going to have bloodwork done, to see if 200 Test/week is too much. Recovery from heart attack was on 200/week. Everything has been good, so far but definitely worth checking. Suggest a hormone panel every 6 months? Heart doctor does bloodwork every 6, but different markers than what we are looking for.
Again, I appreciate everyones input. Just trying to stay alive and lift . Definitely is going to contribute to my longevity. I’ll never stop trying.
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For some of us old timers it’s about quality and not feeling so beat up anymore. You reach a point where longevity is no longer a concern. Respectfully