AFC Guide to Women

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[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Incidentally, the way to “defeat” that one is easy: call it out.

Her: “AC, would you mind doing XYZ?”

Me: “ha ha ha! Look at you trying to do that girlfriend shit all ready. We just met! Slow down a little, girl” (slight NLP use here)

Her: “mumble mumble” (she isn’t used to being told no)

Me: subject change to anything else.

Her several minutes/hours/days later: “AC, would you please ABC?”

Me: “ha ha ha, ha ha ha ha ha! There you go with that girl friend shit again! Do I look like a piece of meat to you? I’m not that kind of guy that just jumps into everything! Tell you what, how bad do you want it?”

Her: “mumble mumble”

Me: challenge her to jump through MY hoops. Bang her later that day.

This isn’t rocket science, guys… Please tell me that some of you are at least doing something similar…[/quote]

Nope, it’s rocket science to me. I have a very hard time saying no. To anyone really.

This is interesting stuff. [/quote]

Needz more boundaries.

If you dont respect your time, money and person, why would anyone else?

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Keep in mind, I’m speaking strictly about sparking attraction here. If you don’t have fundamental things in place in your life (good job, good income, physically fit, good personality, high status in your chosen territory, good house in a good location that fits with HER vision, etc…) you may be able to ATTRACT a woman briefly, but you will never hold her interest for very long if you are shooting out of your league.[/quote]

Well, but then I totally was in her league sexually.

That makes me the alpha fucks as opposed to the beta bucks who needs a nice resumee to get the transactional provider sex. [/quote]

I agree in principle. But if she’s a 8.5 or above, she’ll choose the provider every time and twice on Sunday and she’ll just fuck the pool boy when she needs some excitement. Her provider won’t care because he knows she’s not going anywhere because he has the money, the status or the power.

THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS.

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]The-German wrote:
I have personally screwed up plenty of promising situations up by letting the girl think they had won…[/quote]

I’m sorry for being dense, but won what?[/quote]

They already “had” him before he got the vajayjay…

Was playing boyfriend without sex, beta orbiting, call it what you will…[/quote]

It’s the most common “shit test” out there. She will try to elicit “boyfriend” behavior before giving it up - often times before even kissing you. Boyfriend behavior is anything you have to go out of your way to do (rides, babysitting her cat, helping her move, buying her ANYTHING, etc…). Now there’s no problem with DOING any of those things, but if you do ANYTHING like that for a girl and you are NOT fucking her, you in the friend zone and will STAY there.[/quote]

The problem with beta orbiting is that these guys effectively cockblock themselves.

If we postulate that women have basically three urges, security, intimacy and sexuality, well, most likely she already has the first part covered, due to her parents, her job, welfare state, whatever.

The beta orbiter provides the intimacy and emotional support, which makes him the male equivalent of a slut.

Precisely BECAUSE he is her emotional safe haven she is free to fuck sexy assholes to have her sexual needs met.

When women say that “have sex with anybody but a RELATIONSHIP…” or “we cant have sex because it might ruin our friendship…” they are not lying, they are simply describing the reality beta orbiting has created for them.

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[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]The-German wrote:
I have personally screwed up plenty of promising situations up by letting the girl think they had won…[/quote]

I’m sorry for being dense, but won what?[/quote]

They already “had” him before he got the vajayjay…

Was playing boyfriend without sex, beta orbiting, call it what you will…[/quote]

I see.

So moving on to AC’s comments above, should one treat all women this way or just the one’s you want to fuck? Because I jumped my neighbors car this morning and I’m starting to think I should have refused unless I had gotten head first. Bitch is probably at work now, laughing at what a sucker I am.

OK, new scenario: two girls in the parking lot with dead batteries. What do I do?

A) jump both their cars
2) jump the car of the one I’m trying to fuck but not the other
C) jump the car of the one I don’t want to fuck but not the other one’s, or
IV) jump neither cause momma didn’t raise no fool.
[/quote]

You should do what you would do if you wanted to fuck neither.

If you are a nice guy, in a way, that is your frame and one that can actually work if you hold your frame.

Just dont be extra nice because you want her.

In a way the asshole route is the cheapest way of holding frame but I think being the nice guy with a backbone can be just as effective.

You accommodate and accommodate and accommodate until she crosses a line (and she will) and then she runs head on into a hard NO.

There is a certain amount of shock value there.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]IamMarqaos wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Incidentally, the way to “defeat” that one is easy: call it out.

Her: “AC, would you mind doing XYZ?”

Me: “ha ha ha! Look at you trying to do that girlfriend shit all ready. We just met! Slow down a little, girl” (slight NLP use here)

Her: “mumble mumble” (she isn’t used to being told no)

Me: subject change to anything else.

Her several minutes/hours/days later: “AC, would you please ABC?”

Me: “ha ha ha, ha ha ha ha ha! There you go with that girl friend shit again! Do I look like a piece of meat to you? I’m not that kind of guy that just jumps into everything! Tell you what, how bad do you want it?”

Her: “mumble mumble”

Me: challenge her to jump through MY hoops. Bang her later that day.

This isn’t rocket science, guys… Please tell me that some of you are at least doing something similar…[/quote]

Nope, it’s rocket science to me. I have a very hard time saying no. To anyone really.

This is interesting stuff. [/quote]

Needz more boundaries.

If you dont respect your time, money and person, why would anyone else?[/quote]

True. I never look at it that way. Thank you for pointing that out.

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[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]The-German wrote:
I have personally screwed up plenty of promising situations up by letting the girl think they had won…[/quote]

I’m sorry for being dense, but won what?[/quote]

They already “had” him before he got the vajayjay…

Was playing boyfriend without sex, beta orbiting, call it what you will…[/quote]

I see.

So moving on to AC’s comments above, should one treat all women this way or just the one’s you want to fuck? Because I jumped my neighbors car this morning and I’m starting to think I should have refused unless I had gotten head first. Bitch is probably at work now, laughing at what a sucker I am.

OK, new scenario: two girls in the parking lot with dead batteries. What do I do?

A) jump both their cars
2) jump the car of the one I’m trying to fuck but not the other
C) jump the car of the one I don’t want to fuck but not the other one’s, or
IV) jump neither cause momma didn’t raise no fool.
[/quote]

This made me laugh at work and someone asked “what’s funny?” and I wasn’t sure what to answer.

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]The-German wrote:
I have personally screwed up plenty of promising situations up by letting the girl think they had won…[/quote]

I’m sorry for being dense, but won what?[/quote]

They already “had” him before he got the vajayjay…

Was playing boyfriend without sex, beta orbiting, call it what you will…[/quote]

I see.

So moving on to AC’s comments above, should one treat all women this way or just the one’s you want to fuck? Because I jumped my neighbors car this morning and I’m starting to think I should have refused unless I had gotten head first. Bitch is probably at work now, laughing at what a sucker I am.

OK, new scenario: two girls in the parking lot with dead batteries. What do I do?

A) jump both their cars
2) jump the car of the one I’m trying to fuck but not the other
C) jump the car of the one I don’t want to fuck but not the other one’s, or
IV) jump neither cause momma didn’t raise no fool.
[/quote]

This made me laugh at work and someone asked “what’s funny?” and I wasn’t sure what to answer. [/quote]

Same here! I almost spit coffee all over my desk when I first read it. “momma didn’t raise no fool” LMAO. :slight_smile:

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[quote]Diddy Ryder wrote:
Of course. But you text to set up the date, not to actually have a date.[/quote]

Before giving advices, how about not posting a picture of your pasty white fat torso as an avatar for an internet forum?

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[quote]jasmincar wrote:

[quote]Diddy Ryder wrote:
Of course. But you text to set up the date, not to actually have a date.[/quote]

Before giving advices, how about not posting a picture of your pasty white fat torso as an avatar for an internet forum?[/quote]
What about a single advice?

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Keep in mind, I’m speaking strictly about sparking attraction here. If you don’t have fundamental things in place in your life (good job, good income, physically fit, good personality, high status in your chosen territory, good house in a good location that fits with HER vision, etc…) you may be able to ATTRACT a woman briefly, but you will never hold her interest for very long if you are shooting out of your league.[/quote]

Well, but then I totally was in her league sexually.

That makes me the alpha fucks as opposed to the beta bucks who needs a nice resumee to get the transactional provider sex. [/quote]

I agree in principle. But if she’s a 8.5 or above, she’ll choose the provider every time and twice on Sunday and she’ll just fuck the pool boy when she needs some excitement. Her provider won’t care because he knows she’s not going anywhere because he has the money, the status or the power.

THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS.[/quote]

Why on earth would she not choose someone who can give her all three elements - provider, intimacy/friendship, and passion? She would have to be broken not to want all three in one package.

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]The-German wrote:
I have personally screwed up plenty of promising situations up by letting the girl think they had won…[/quote]

I’m sorry for being dense, but won what?[/quote]

They already “had” him before he got the vajayjay…

Was playing boyfriend without sex, beta orbiting, call it what you will…[/quote]

I see.

So moving on to AC’s comments above, should one treat all women this way or just the one’s you want to fuck? Because I jumped my neighbors car this morning and I’m starting to think I should have refused unless I had gotten head first. Bitch is probably at work now, laughing at what a sucker I am.

OK, new scenario: two girls in the parking lot with dead batteries. What do I do?

A) jump both their cars
2) jump the car of the one I’m trying to fuck but not the other
C) jump the car of the one I don’t want to fuck but not the other one’s, or
IV) jump neither cause momma didn’t raise no fool.
[/quote]

The litmus test for me is “would I normally do this if it was a guy”. And if a dude was stranded and needed a jump, of course I help out and give someone a jump. If a dude walked up to me in a bar and asked me to buy him a drink, I’d tell him to fuck off, so why would I say “ok” if it was a girl?

The context is what is important. Follow your conscience. If someone is in need, help them if you are so inclined. If a girl is using the fact that she knows you want to fuck her and is leveraging that fact to get something out of you only THEN are you the bitch. And there is only room for ONE bitch in an attraction dynamic.[/quote]

I’ve been thinking about this. My perception of men when I was dating was that some of them were attempting to move things along by doing the boyfriend things and I had to block to keep the pace where I wanted it. NO, you cannot fix things in my house. NO, I do not need you to collect and deliver boxes for me; there’s a uhaul right up the street, I can get them there. NO, I’ve got an appointment for the car, you do NOT need to help me get the mud out of the wheels.

Same with picking up my part of the dinner tabs. That’s MY protection against expectations I’m not willing to meet. I know I’ve said many times on these boards that I’m not willing to prostitute myself for a burger and draft beer. Not for a repaired headlight, either. So I’m not sure what men you guys are hanging out with (lol) but I find there to be sexual pressure, or at least boyfriend pressure, in these gifts of service just as I do in monetary unbalance.

Put your filthy jumper cables back in your pants, Dr. Pangloss. You pervert!

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Keep in mind, I’m speaking strictly about sparking attraction here. If you don’t have fundamental things in place in your life (good job, good income, physically fit, good personality, high status in your chosen territory, good house in a good location that fits with HER vision, etc…) you may be able to ATTRACT a woman briefly, but you will never hold her interest for very long if you are shooting out of your league.[/quote]

Well, but then I totally was in her league sexually.

That makes me the alpha fucks as opposed to the beta bucks who needs a nice resumee to get the transactional provider sex. [/quote]

I agree in principle. But if she’s a 8.5 or above, she’ll choose the provider every time and twice on Sunday and she’ll just fuck the pool boy when she needs some excitement. Her provider won’t care because he knows she’s not going anywhere because he has the money, the status or the power.

THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS.[/quote]

Why on earth would she not choose someone who can give her all three elements - provider, intimacy/friendship, and passion? She would have to be broken not to want all three in one package.

[/quote]

“Want” and “can get” are two very different things.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Keep in mind, I’m speaking strictly about sparking attraction here. If you don’t have fundamental things in place in your life (good job, good income, physically fit, good personality, high status in your chosen territory, good house in a good location that fits with HER vision, etc…) you may be able to ATTRACT a woman briefly, but you will never hold her interest for very long if you are shooting out of your league.[/quote]

Well, but then I totally was in her league sexually.

That makes me the alpha fucks as opposed to the beta bucks who needs a nice resumee to get the transactional provider sex. [/quote]

I agree in principle. But if she’s a 8.5 or above, she’ll choose the provider every time and twice on Sunday and she’ll just fuck the pool boy when she needs some excitement. Her provider won’t care because he knows she’s not going anywhere because he has the money, the status or the power.

THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS.[/quote]

Why on earth would she not choose someone who can give her all three elements - provider, intimacy/friendship, and passion? She would have to be broken not to want all three in one package.

[/quote]

“Want” and “can get” are two very different things.[/quote]

She is an 8.5, does this not entitle her to all but the wealthiest, most successful men?

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:
Put your filthy jumper cables back in your pants, Dr. Pangloss. You pervert!
[/quote]

I would so play with your terminals.

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Keep in mind, I’m speaking strictly about sparking attraction here. If you don’t have fundamental things in place in your life (good job, good income, physically fit, good personality, high status in your chosen territory, good house in a good location that fits with HER vision, etc…) you may be able to ATTRACT a woman briefly, but you will never hold her interest for very long if you are shooting out of your league.[/quote]

Well, but then I totally was in her league sexually.

That makes me the alpha fucks as opposed to the beta bucks who needs a nice resumee to get the transactional provider sex. [/quote]

I agree in principle. But if she’s a 8.5 or above, she’ll choose the provider every time and twice on Sunday and she’ll just fuck the pool boy when she needs some excitement. Her provider won’t care because he knows she’s not going anywhere because he has the money, the status or the power.

THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS.[/quote]

Why on earth would she not choose someone who can give her all three elements - provider, intimacy/friendship, and passion? She would have to be broken not to want all three in one package.

[/quote]

“Want” and “can get” are two very different things.[/quote]

She is an 8.5, does this not entitle her to all but the wealthiest, most successful men?
[/quote]

No.

Because if she wants those, she has to compete with Jessica Alba.

Surprisingly, at the absolute top of the SMP, we find men.

Anyhow, you missed that she gets all three, just not from one man.

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]The-German wrote:
I have personally screwed up plenty of promising situations up by letting the girl think they had won…[/quote]

I’m sorry for being dense, but won what?[/quote]

They already “had” him before he got the vajayjay…

Was playing boyfriend without sex, beta orbiting, call it what you will…[/quote]

I see.

So moving on to AC’s comments above, should one treat all women this way or just the one’s you want to fuck? Because I jumped my neighbors car this morning and I’m starting to think I should have refused unless I had gotten head first. Bitch is probably at work now, laughing at what a sucker I am.

OK, new scenario: two girls in the parking lot with dead batteries. What do I do?

A) jump both their cars
2) jump the car of the one I’m trying to fuck but not the other
C) jump the car of the one I don’t want to fuck but not the other one’s, or
IV) jump neither cause momma didn’t raise no fool.
[/quote]

The litmus test for me is “would I normally do this if it was a guy”. And if a dude was stranded and needed a jump, of course I help out and give someone a jump. If a dude walked up to me in a bar and asked me to buy him a drink, I’d tell him to fuck off, so why would I say “ok” if it was a girl?

The context is what is important. Follow your conscience. If someone is in need, help them if you are so inclined. If a girl is using the fact that she knows you want to fuck her and is leveraging that fact to get something out of you only THEN are you the bitch. And there is only room for ONE bitch in an attraction dynamic.[/quote]

And the kicker is that women are usually very good sensing when a guy is under her thumb. When a dude doesn’t use a litmus test and is “helping” the damsel in distress he tends to make it blatantly obvious and acts needy.

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Keep in mind, I’m speaking strictly about sparking attraction here. If you don’t have fundamental things in place in your life (good job, good income, physically fit, good personality, high status in your chosen territory, good house in a good location that fits with HER vision, etc…) you may be able to ATTRACT a woman briefly, but you will never hold her interest for very long if you are shooting out of your league.[/quote]

Well, but then I totally was in her league sexually.

That makes me the alpha fucks as opposed to the beta bucks who needs a nice resumee to get the transactional provider sex. [/quote]

I agree in principle. But if she’s a 8.5 or above, she’ll choose the provider every time and twice on Sunday and she’ll just fuck the pool boy when she needs some excitement. Her provider won’t care because he knows she’s not going anywhere because he has the money, the status or the power.

THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS.[/quote]

Why on earth would she not choose someone who can give her all three elements - provider, intimacy/friendship, and passion? She would have to be broken not to want all three in one package.

[/quote]

“Want” and “can get” are two very different things.[/quote]

She is an 8.5, does this not entitle her to all but the wealthiest, most successful men?
[/quote]

No.

Because if she wants those, she has to compete with Jessica Alba.

Surprisingly, at the absolute top of the SMP, we find men.

Anyhow, you missed that she gets all three, just not from one man. [/quote]

Oh, I caught that she gets all three from different men. My point was that it’s stupid and broken. So is the man who lives inside this ridiculous frame. He should perhaps develop himself so he can satisfy a woman’s need for both companionate and passionate love while also managing to support himself. Is it REALLY that high a bar? I seem to have managed it, and I’m not an 8.5.

I also believe that at the genuine top of the SMP you find people, male and female both, who are not available to others despite others’ looks or money/power index. They are happily coupled with people who are capable of providing friendship and hot sex along with success. People who truly win in the marketplace offer no competition to the players, who then falsely inflate their own value (“powerful” or “hot” as determined by the denizens of a night club).

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Keep in mind, I’m speaking strictly about sparking attraction here. If you don’t have fundamental things in place in your life (good job, good income, physically fit, good personality, high status in your chosen territory, good house in a good location that fits with HER vision, etc…) you may be able to ATTRACT a woman briefly, but you will never hold her interest for very long if you are shooting out of your league.[/quote]

Well, but then I totally was in her league sexually.

That makes me the alpha fucks as opposed to the beta bucks who needs a nice resumee to get the transactional provider sex. [/quote]

I agree in principle. But if she’s a 8.5 or above, she’ll choose the provider every time and twice on Sunday and she’ll just fuck the pool boy when she needs some excitement. Her provider won’t care because he knows she’s not going anywhere because he has the money, the status or the power.

THAT IS ALL THAT MATTERS.[/quote]

Why on earth would she not choose someone who can give her all three elements - provider, intimacy/friendship, and passion? She would have to be broken not to want all three in one package.

[/quote]

“Want” and “can get” are two very different things.[/quote]

She is an 8.5, does this not entitle her to all but the wealthiest, most successful men?
[/quote]

No.

Because if she wants those, she has to compete with Jessica Alba.

Surprisingly, at the absolute top of the SMP, we find men.

Anyhow, you missed that she gets all three, just not from one man. [/quote]

Oh, I caught that she gets all three from different men. My point was that it’s stupid and broken. So is the man who lives inside this ridiculous frame. He should perhaps develop himself so he can satisfy a woman’s need for both companionate and passionate love while also managing to support himself. Is it REALLY that high a bar? I seem to have managed it, and I’m not an 8.5.

I also believe that at the genuine top of the SMP you find people, male and female both, who are not available to others despite others’ looks or money/power index. They are happily coupled with people who are capable of providing friendship and hot sex along with success. People who truly win in the marketplace offer no competition to the players, who then falsely inflate their own value (“powerful” or “hot” as determined by the denizens of a night club).[/quote]

Well, first of all, you seem to be under moderation.

Congratulations, you are officialy a bad girl now, dangerous and whatnot.

Then, yes, that is quite a lot to ask from the average man, stable, caring and provisioning while at the same time being sexy, dangerous and a challenge?

Its kind of hard to incorporate that into one persona, in fact, those traits do not necessarily, but quite frequently, contradict each other.

To find a man like that is like finding the family oriented librarian who just loves to deepthroat, is really good at it, without having any experience whatsoever…

They MAY exist…

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[quote]Chushin wrote:
So glad I’m married!

That women stuff seems so very, very complicated…

I can still remember way back when simply being a person who acted with integrity and self-respect was a pretty good way to find a woman of similar caliber. [/quote]

Yup, that was awesome, but highly artificial.

Seems like this whole “civilization” thing relies on a few things and mores that do not come easily to us, so naturally (literally, naturally) we threw them overboard as soon as we could.