AFC Guide to Women

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]The-German wrote:
I am no angry chicken or super villain but…
[/quote]

TTR, Pusharder…[/quote]

Getting laid and dating are two different things.

Dating any relationships are also not the same.

I think SuperVillian’s advice would seem to be spot on for any of the three desired outcomes.[/quote]

They are phases. You get laid and decide if you want to date. If you like dating, you decide if you want to get into a relationship. If you like the relationship, you decide if you want to get “serious”. If it’s serious, you decide if you want to make them your life partner (or marry them or whatever that means to the couple).

You cant have a relationship without fucking them first…[/quote]

I would order them a little differently, personally, but can agree that an enduring modern relationship requires making sure chemistry is present. [/quote]

“Chemistry” means that you need to polarize.

You can be “Mr Nice Guy” to almost all women or you can be an asshole to some, if not most, and an object of worship for a minority.

The second strategy works better.

IRL its much simpler, why jump through hoops, fuck em all, why, now you want me!?![/quote]

OR, you can try

  1. Be honest
  2. Be direct
  3. Be funny

and seek to obtain woman who is same for mutual adoration.[/quote]

Being honest and direct practically garantuees that a lot will see you as an asshole. [/quote]

Well, then, perhaps you should work on the person you are. [/quote]

I am fine where I am, if everybody thought I was awesome I would be and stand for nothing.

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[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]The-German wrote:
I am no angry chicken or super villain but…
[/quote]

TTR, Pusharder…[/quote]

Getting laid and dating are two different things.

Dating any relationships are also not the same.

I think SuperVillian’s advice would seem to be spot on for any of the three desired outcomes.[/quote]

They are phases. You get laid and decide if you want to date. If you like dating, you decide if you want to get into a relationship. If you like the relationship, you decide if you want to get “serious”. If it’s serious, you decide if you want to make them your life partner (or marry them or whatever that means to the couple).

You cant have a relationship without fucking them first…[/quote]

I would order them a little differently, personally, but can agree that an enduring modern relationship requires making sure chemistry is present. [/quote]

If you want to hash semantics, then I suppose the “three date rule” could be classified as “dating”, but you get my point, yes? And none of those phases are inherently “bad”, are they? As long as there is no deception involved during the “dating”, do you think it’s “bad” to date more than one person?

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]EmilyQ wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]The-German wrote:
I am no angry chicken or super villain but…
[/quote]

TTR, Pusharder…[/quote]

Getting laid and dating are two different things.

Dating any relationships are also not the same.

I think SuperVillian’s advice would seem to be spot on for any of the three desired outcomes.[/quote]

They are phases. You get laid and decide if you want to date. If you like dating, you decide if you want to get into a relationship. If you like the relationship, you decide if you want to get “serious”. If it’s serious, you decide if you want to make them your life partner (or marry them or whatever that means to the couple).

You cant have a relationship without fucking them first…[/quote]

I would order them a little differently, personally, but can agree that an enduring modern relationship requires making sure chemistry is present. [/quote]

If you want to hash semantics, then I suppose the “three date rule” could be classified as “dating”, but you get my point, yes? And none of those phases are inherently “bad”, are they? As long as there is no deception involved during the “dating”, do you think it’s “bad” to date more than one person?[/quote]

I really have no idea. “Playing the field” was confusing for me, though not without enjoyment. It would be uncomfortable to be in a sexual relationship with one or more partners and also date others. But that’s about my own comfort zone, not objective right or wrong. I agree with you that as long as there is clarity with regard to intentions, there is no foul play.

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Good information SV and AC. I think the hardest concept for most guys is trying to have a relationship before just dating/fucking like angry chicken said. I have personally screwed up plenty of promising situations up by letting the girl think they had won when I should have held back or even pulled away.

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[quote]The-German wrote:
I have personally screwed up plenty of promising situations up by letting the girl think they had won…[/quote]

I’m sorry for being dense, but won what?

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[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]The-German wrote:
I have personally screwed up plenty of promising situations up by letting the girl think they had won…[/quote]

I’m sorry for being dense, but won what?[/quote]

They already “had” him before he got the vajayjay…

Was playing boyfriend without sex, beta orbiting, call it what you will…

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Was trying to “relationship” his way into pussy-

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]The-German wrote:
I have personally screwed up plenty of promising situations up by letting the girl think they had won…[/quote]

I’m sorry for being dense, but won what?[/quote]

They already “had” him before he got the vajayjay…

Was playing boyfriend without sex, beta orbiting, call it what you will…[/quote]

It’s the most common “shit test” out there. She will try to elicit “boyfriend” behavior before giving it up - often times before even kissing you. Boyfriend behavior is anything you have to go out of your way to do (rides, babysitting her cat, helping her move, buying her ANYTHING, etc…). Now there’s no problem with DOING any of those things, but if you do ANYTHING like that for a girl and you are NOT fucking her, you in the friend zone and will STAY there.

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Incidentally, the way to “defeat” that one is easy: call it out.

Her: “AC, would you mind doing XYZ?”

Me: “ha ha ha! Look at you trying to do that girlfriend shit all ready. We just met! Slow down a little, girl” (slight NLP use here)

Her: “mumble mumble” (she isn’t used to being told no)

Me: subject change to anything else.

Her several minutes/hours/days later: “AC, would you please ABC?”

Me: “ha ha ha, ha ha ha ha ha! There you go with that girl friend shit again! Do I look like a piece of meat to you? I’m not that kind of guy that just jumps into everything! Tell you what, how bad do you want it?”

Her: “mumble mumble”

Me: challenge her to jump through MY hoops. Bang her later that day.

This isn’t rocket science, guys… Please tell me that some of you are at least doing something similar…

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[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]The-German wrote:
I have personally screwed up plenty of promising situations up by letting the girl think they had won…[/quote]

I’m sorry for being dense, but won what?[/quote]

They already “had” him before he got the vajayjay…

Was playing boyfriend without sex, beta orbiting, call it what you will…[/quote]

I see.

So moving on to AC’s comments above, should one treat all women this way or just the one’s you want to fuck? Because I jumped my neighbors car this morning and I’m starting to think I should have refused unless I had gotten head first. Bitch is probably at work now, laughing at what a sucker I am.

OK, new scenario: two girls in the parking lot with dead batteries. What do I do?

A) jump both their cars
2) jump the car of the one I’m trying to fuck but not the other
C) jump the car of the one I don’t want to fuck but not the other one’s, or
IV) jump neither cause momma didn’t raise no fool.

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Incidentally, the way to “defeat” that one is easy: call it out.

Her: “AC, would you mind doing XYZ?”

Me: “ha ha ha! Look at you trying to do that girlfriend shit all ready. We just met! Slow down a little, girl” (slight NLP use here)

Her: “mumble mumble” (she isn’t used to being told no)

Me: subject change to anything else.

Her several minutes/hours/days later: “AC, would you please ABC?”

Me: “ha ha ha, ha ha ha ha ha! There you go with that girl friend shit again! Do I look like a piece of meat to you? I’m not that kind of guy that just jumps into everything! Tell you what, how bad do you want it?”

Her: “mumble mumble”

Me: challenge her to jump through MY hoops. Bang her later that day.

This isn’t rocket science, guys… Please tell me that some of you are at least doing something similar…[/quote]

Nope, it’s rocket science to me. I have a very hard time saying no. To anyone really.

This is interesting stuff.

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[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]The-German wrote:
I have personally screwed up plenty of promising situations up by letting the girl think they had won…[/quote]

I’m sorry for being dense, but won what?[/quote]

They already “had” him before he got the vajayjay…

Was playing boyfriend without sex, beta orbiting, call it what you will…[/quote]

I see.

So moving on to AC’s comments above, should one treat all women this way or just the one’s you want to fuck? Because I jumped my neighbors car this morning and I’m starting to think I should have refused unless I had gotten head first. Bitch is probably at work now, laughing at what a sucker I am.

OK, new scenario: two girls in the parking lot with dead batteries. What do I do?

A) jump both their cars
2) jump the car of the one I’m trying to fuck but not the other
C) jump the car of the one I don’t want to fuck but not the other one’s, or
IV) jump neither cause momma didn’t raise no fool.
[/quote]

The litmus test for me is “would I normally do this if it was a guy”. And if a dude was stranded and needed a jump, of course I help out and give someone a jump. If a dude walked up to me in a bar and asked me to buy him a drink, I’d tell him to fuck off, so why would I say “ok” if it was a girl?

The context is what is important. Follow your conscience. If someone is in need, help them if you are so inclined. If a girl is using the fact that she knows you want to fuck her and is leveraging that fact to get something out of you only THEN are you the bitch. And there is only room for ONE bitch in an attraction dynamic.

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]The-German wrote:
I have personally screwed up plenty of promising situations up by letting the girl think they had won…[/quote]

I’m sorry for being dense, but won what?[/quote]

They already “had” him before he got the vajayjay…

Was playing boyfriend without sex, beta orbiting, call it what you will…[/quote]

I see.

So moving on to AC’s comments above, should one treat all women this way or just the one’s you want to fuck? Because I jumped my neighbors car this morning and I’m starting to think I should have refused unless I had gotten head first. Bitch is probably at work now, laughing at what a sucker I am.

OK, new scenario: two girls in the parking lot with dead batteries. What do I do?

A) jump both their cars
2) jump the car of the one I’m trying to fuck but not the other
C) jump the car of the one I don’t want to fuck but not the other one’s, or
IV) jump neither cause momma didn’t raise no fool.
[/quote]

The litmus test for me is “would I normally do this if it was a guy”. And if a dude was stranded and needed a jump, of course I help out and give someone a jump. If a dude walked up to me in a bar and asked me to buy him a drink, I’d tell him to fuck off, so why would I say “ok” if it was a girl?

The context is what is important. Follow your conscience. If someone is in need, help them if you are so inclined. If a girl is using the fact that she knows you want to fuck her and is leveraging that fact to get something out of you only THEN are you the bitch. And there is only room for ONE bitch in an attraction dynamic.[/quote]

That is seriously the perfect way to think about it AC. Seems obvious once you understand it is just a shit test. Is there any recovering from failing a shit test? Or do you think it’s just straight pass or fail?

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:
The litmus test for me is “would I normally do this if it was a guy”. And if a dude was stranded and needed a jump, of course I help out and give someone a jump. If a dude walked up to me in a bar and asked me to buy him a drink, I’d tell him to fuck off, so why would I say “ok” if it was a girl?

The context is what is important. Follow your conscience. If someone is in need, help them if you are so inclined. If a girl is using the fact that she knows you want to fuck her and is leveraging that fact to get something out of you only THEN are you the bitch. And there is only room for ONE bitch in an attraction dynamic.[/quote]

This makes a ton of sense to me. Thank you.

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[quote]The-German wrote:

That is seriously the perfect way to think about it AC. Seems obvious once you understand it is just a shit test. Is there any recovering from failing a shit test? Or do you think it’s just straight pass or fail?

[/quote]

Time and neglect. Or a new love interest.

That said, I’ve never really even thought about “shit tests.” Maybe I don’t care enough to have ever tried to relationship-my-way-to-sex. Anytime a female tried shit like this I just laughed at her.

That said, I’ll help almost anyone (male or female) move and fix anyone’s car. Because I am a man.

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[quote]thethirdruffian wrote:

[quote]The-German wrote:

That is seriously the perfect way to think about it AC. Seems obvious once you understand it is just a shit test. Is there any recovering from failing a shit test? Or do you think it’s just straight pass or fail?

[/quote]

Time and neglect. Or a new love interest.

That said, I’ve never really even thought about “shit tests.” Maybe I don’t care enough to have ever tried to relationship-my-way-to-sex. Anytime a female tried shit like this I just laughed at her.

That said, I’ll help almost anyone (male or female) move and fix anyone’s car. Because I am a man.

[/quote]

Exactly. I think I said it recently in another thread: if I could sell “I don’t give a fuck” in a bottle, I’d be a billionaire.

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[quote]The-German wrote:

[quote]angry chicken wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]orion wrote:

[quote]Dr. Pangloss wrote:

[quote]The-German wrote:
I have personally screwed up plenty of promising situations up by letting the girl think they had won…[/quote]

I’m sorry for being dense, but won what?[/quote]

They already “had” him before he got the vajayjay…

Was playing boyfriend without sex, beta orbiting, call it what you will…[/quote]

I see.

So moving on to AC’s comments above, should one treat all women this way or just the one’s you want to fuck? Because I jumped my neighbors car this morning and I’m starting to think I should have refused unless I had gotten head first. Bitch is probably at work now, laughing at what a sucker I am.

OK, new scenario: two girls in the parking lot with dead batteries. What do I do?

A) jump both their cars
2) jump the car of the one I’m trying to fuck but not the other
C) jump the car of the one I don’t want to fuck but not the other one’s, or
IV) jump neither cause momma didn’t raise no fool.
[/quote]

The litmus test for me is “would I normally do this if it was a guy”. And if a dude was stranded and needed a jump, of course I help out and give someone a jump. If a dude walked up to me in a bar and asked me to buy him a drink, I’d tell him to fuck off, so why would I say “ok” if it was a girl?

The context is what is important. Follow your conscience. If someone is in need, help them if you are so inclined. If a girl is using the fact that she knows you want to fuck her and is leveraging that fact to get something out of you only THEN are you the bitch. And there is only room for ONE bitch in an attraction dynamic.[/quote]

That is seriously the perfect way to think about it AC. Seems obvious once you understand it is just a shit test. Is there any recovering from failing a shit test? Or do you think it’s just straight pass or fail?

[/quote]

Can one recover from a failed shit test? The short and unsatisfying answer is: drumroll… It depends.

What was the test?
How hot is the girl?
How many men are pursuing her in this time frame?
What phase of her cycle is she in?
How badly did you supplicate?
Did you recognize it and back off and keep a shred of dignity?
Or did you get butt hurt and act like an entitled little bitch?
How much time has passed from the fuck up to the recovery attempt?
Does she know you, or are you just an acquaintance?
Was she drunk, will she even remember you?
Is it even worth the effort?

Generally speaking, it’s either Pass/Fail. There are exceptions to every rule though. When in doubt, it’s FAR easier to recover from being an asshole, than from being a bitch… I hesitate to write that because people will go out saying, “well AC said to act like an asshole, so here I go”. That’s NOT what I’m saying to do, at all. It’s about CALIBRATION. Each girl is a unique puzzle. Figuring out subtly how to “solve” her is easy if she chooses you, it’s much more challenging if you choose her. And generally the higher the caliber, the harder the combination and more complicated the challenge.

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Keep in mind, I’m speaking strictly about sparking attraction here. If you don’t have fundamental things in place in your life (good job, good income, physically fit, good personality, high status in your chosen territory, good house in a good location that fits with HER vision, etc…) you may be able to ATTRACT a woman briefly, but you will never hold her interest for very long if you are shooting out of your league.

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:

Generally speaking, it’s either Pass/Fail. There are exceptions to every rule though. When in doubt, it’s FAR easier to recover from being an asshole, than from being a bitch… I hesitate to write that because people will go out saying, “well AC said to act like an asshole, so here I go”. That’s NOT what I’m saying to do, at all. It’s about CALIBRATION. Each girl is a unique puzzle. Figuring out subtly how to “solve” her is easy if she chooses you, it’s much more challenging if you choose her. And generally the higher the caliber, the harder the combination and more complicated the challenge.

[/quote]

It is far easier to recover from being an uncaring asshole, a caring asshole just shovels his own grave.

Meaning , forget her birthday, dont return her calls for a few days, dont introduce her to friends, stuff like that.

You can also say outrageaous stuff if you just dont care.

If you are a caring asshole however you do care, you care very, very much, which is why you try to be mean to her.

Now, you are acting like a little bitch.

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[quote]angry chicken wrote:
Keep in mind, I’m speaking strictly about sparking attraction here. If you don’t have fundamental things in place in your life (good job, good income, physically fit, good personality, high status in your chosen territory, good house in a good location that fits with HER vision, etc…) you may be able to ATTRACT a woman briefly, but you will never hold her interest for very long if you are shooting out of your league.[/quote]

Well, but then I totally was in her league sexually.

That makes me the alpha fucks as opposed to the beta bucks who needs a nice resumee to get the transactional provider sex.