Advice for First Cycle/Training History

What up guys. New poster here. I’ve decided to start a beginner’s cycle in a few months and need some advice about how to best train/eat leading up to the the cycle, as well as other things. Here is some history on me (lengthy):

I am 6’3" 155 lbs, 21.5 years old. I’ve always been very skinny despite being pretty athletic/functionally strong. My weight lifting numbers have never been very high at all, but I have been able to tackle and over-powere in-shape guys that weigh 70 pounds more than me. I have been trying to gain weight for as long as I can remember (since before puberty). I would always eat plenty (much more than others my age) when trying to gain weight and workout. I’ve used creatine, whey, various mass gainers, and homemade shakes. Never had any significant gains at all. Tired of people I know thinking I’m too skinny.

I’ve been around weights since a young age. My father had an Olympic weight set, curl bars, and dumbbells. I remember lifting weights off and on for weeks at a time as a kid probably from age 9-12 (weighing 70-90 pounds). My father is shorter than I am, but weighed about 200 lbs in his prime. My grandfather, who I resemble, was my height and skinny, but got up to 245 pounds in his prime. He was not as skinny as I was at my current age. My younger brother is about an inch shorter than me, but weighs about 30 pounds more than I did at his age.

I played football in middle school and high school, for a total of 3 years, which meant I was lifting weights 4 or 5 times a week doing full-body exercises with compound-lifts using Olympic weights. When I first started weight lifting for middle school football, I weighed 99 pounds. I got up to 135 lbs by the time I was 15 years old in high school, but that was mostly due to puberty.

I quit playing football after this age, but continued to lift weights, trying various routines with friends. I got my body weight up to 145 pounds by the time I was 18 years old. When I went off to college, I did Starting Strength for about 5 or 6 months before I stopped seeing gains and got my body weight up to 155 pounds. I have lifted off and on, no more than a month or two off, since this time, mostly doing Starting Strength.

Since lifting weights with teammates in middle school to watching others lift in the gym at college, I’ve always felt that others get stronger with weights much quicker than I do. A lot of times I feel like a have low energy and have suspected that my testosterone levels might not be optimal.

Around a year or 2 ago, my shoulders became sensitive to fast throwing motions such as throwing the football or throwing a punch. I’ve been to a couple of specialists and been told it is tendonitis/bursitis. X-rays and MRI came back negative. This pain has not affected weight lifting much, however.

About a year ago, suspecting my testosterone levels of being lower than optimal, I had a private company do blood work on me. My testosterone levels came back as 578 ng/mL, which is within the “normal” medical range, but lower than optimal (which is understood as being at least 800), and very low considering my then age of 20. I’ve also had a small gyno lump under my left nipple since I was 14 years old. Given my low energy and motivation (compared with friends, nothing "medically wrong with me) as well as my inability to gain muscle mass, I want to get my levels up to were they need to be.

Over the past year, I have lifted weights pretty consistently, but not gained any weight or much strength. I bought Rippetoe’s Starting Strength book and read it cover to cover. I’ve eaten at least 3300 calories a day, fairly clean with fruits, vegetables, and nuts, though I do eat fast food regularly. But the fast food shouldn’t be a problem considering I’ll take any weight I can get and body fat has never been an issue for me, as I have a visible 6 pack. I’ve always gotten plenty of sleep. My strength on all the major lifts (Squat, Dead lift, Bench) has seen very little gains at all over the past 2 years (5-10 pounds maybe).

I’ve been working a manual labor job for the past 4 weeks, and it has been pretty physically demanding and taken some time for my body to get over the soreness. I lost about 5 pounds over this time period, but I’ve started eating closer to 4000 calories a day to gain the weight back this last week. I haven’t been lifting weights the past 4 weeks because I’ve been way too tired and sore, but I plan on starting back in a week or two when my body has completely adjusted.

I’ve also watched my younger brother and his friend complete a basic 8-week beginner’s steroid cycle with PCT over the last month or two. They both gained about 20 pounds and look great. They have gotten much stronger too. My brother’s friend had on-going pain in his ribcage from an injury he experienced months earlier, but all signs of the injury disappeared and have not returned since he started his cycle. I think I could experience similar success with my shoulder problems. Seeing their recent success with steroids has convinced me to do a cycle.

I’ve always had a decent knowledge of steroids, but I’ve been doing a lot of reading on steroids and other PEDs lately. I’m thinking about doing a 12 week cycle of Test E with PCT. I would like to safely gain as much mass as possible while keeping most of my gains.

My questions are what kind of training routine would you advise for the months leading up to my first cycle, and what kind of diet would you suggest during this time period. Also, what would be a good training routine while on the cycle as well as diet? Any other additional info and advice would be greatly appreciated.

I’m not planning on cycling steroids and PEDs for years. I just want to get to my target weight goal of 210-225 pounds, while staying very functionally athletic and keeping internal organ damage risk at a minimum. I’ve never had a desire to look like a Arnold or Jay Cutler, just don’t want to be skinny anymore.

Thanks guys.

Unless you have a muscle wasting disease there is absolutely no reason you should weigh 155lbs at 6’3". Thats skinny man, like I can see your back ribs through your T-shirt skinny.

Low T , even though your is not, does not hinder weight gain while you are still well with in your genetic potential.

You need to eat. Period. Where did you get 3300 calories by the way?

At 6’3" with active lifting and and “young metabolism” you need to pretty much double that as far as daily eating goes. Your barely eating maintenance.

This is not the quick fix you probably wanted to hear but you need to spend a couple years hard eating and hard lifting. Put your time in iron for a while.

If you dont know how to eat and train, PEDs will do nothing for you.

come back when you’re not a pussy

I weighed under 150 pounds at 6’1" well into my twenties, I am 240 now. What changed? I started doing triathlons and learned to eat. Eat until you are sick of eating. Order double what you normally eat at a resaurant and force yourself to eat until you feel you are going to puke. Get up, go for a five minute walk, and come back and eat some more. In addition to three squares, drnk four protein shakes a day. Dont drink soda at fast food restaurants, always get a milkshake. Never eat low calorie foods, skip fruit and eat a cake. Eat fat, not lean. Drink a ton of water, but stop an hour before a meal. You want food in your belly not water. Keep protein bars or cereal and whenever you wake up in the middle of the night, eat for ten minutes. Try GOMAD, gallon of (whole) milk a day.

Try it for 28 days, four weeks, one month and then come back and tell us what you want to do.

I remember going out with my GF for breakfast and having a denver omelette, waffle, half a cantaloupe, blueberry muffin, side each of sausage and bacon, large milk and oj. I got pissed at my GF for eating a piece of my bacon so ordered a second order. She woud get a little ill watching me eat.

Your gains or on the table not the needle. How the hell do you think you are going to gain 20 pounds of muscle if you not even maintenance eating today?

Thanks for the responses guys.

However, I’m not seeing how me doing a steroid cycle would be any worse than anybody else doing one. 3300 calories per day is a lot more than the average man eats, who weighs much more than I do. I have at least 4 friends who weigh more than me (some 50 pounds heavier than me), and I eat considerably more than they do in a day. My brother ate 3000 calories a day when he was bulking up to 205 pounds with his first steroid cycle. His friend ate less, but considerably more fast food, and gained 20 lbs (with lower BF %). No negative side effects for either of them. They have also kept almost all of their gains over the weeks following their cycles. I’ve talked to ridiculously big juice heads at the gym who claim they eat over 5000 calories a day, which is understandable for someone closer to 300 pounds than 200, but not for me (155 pounds).

Like I said, I’ve been lifting for years, and I have always had trouble gaining weight. I have a very difficult time gaining strength now. I eat all of the calories necessary for someone 50 pounds heavier than me to maintain their weight, and for someone to gain 20 pounds while cycling steroids. From all the evidence I’ve seen, cycling steroids intelligently is the most effective thing you can do for gaining mass. I get the feeling eating 6600 calories a day (which is what one of you advised for me) and drinking a gallon of milk would be way more unhealthy than running a 12 week cycle of testosterone.

I eat very consistently and fairly healthy. I have a lot of experience lifting weights, and I’ve been doing it for years. I have seen someone with the exact same genes I have achieve his goals using a beginner testosterone cycle.

I might be missing something very important, if I am someone please tell me. But I am a full grown man, haven’t gained any height in 3 or 4 years. How is me doing steroids any worse than any of you doing steroids?

[quote]LAgoon wrote:
How is me doing steroids any worse than any of you doing steroids?

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it’s not a question of “bad” and “worse”…

we know how to eat… you don’t. this is obvious… because you are a beanpole.

this actually reminds me of a very similar situation I was going through with a friend of mine.

he wanted me to sell him a cycle (because I used to do that shit… don’t do it kids, selling drugs is bad mkay?) and I told him no, because he had no clue how to eat…

he was like “BRO I EAT TONZZZ”. so I watched him… I ate at least 8 oz. of cooked meat with 40g of carbs and 15g fat every 2 hours…

over the course of 4.5 hours he had A FUCKING BAG OF DORRITOS GO FUCK YOURSELF OP LEARN HOW TO FUCKING EAT

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]LAgoon wrote:
How is me doing steroids any worse than any of you doing steroids?

[/quote]

it’s not a question of “bad” and “worse”…

we know how to eat… you don’t. this is obvious… because you are a beanpole.

this actually reminds me of a very similar situation I was going through with a friend of mine.

he wanted me to sell him a cycle (because I used to do that shit… don’t do it kids, selling drugs is bad mkay?) and I told him no, because he had no clue how to eat…

he was like “BRO I EAT TONZZZ”. so I watched him… I ate at least 8 oz. of cooked meat with 40g of carbs and 15g fat every 2 hours…

over the course of 4.5 hours he had A FUCKING BAG OF DORRITOS GO FUCK YOURSELF OP LEARN HOW TO FUCKING EAT[/quote]

Over the last 4 hours, I’ve had 1000 calories of chili, 150 calories of juice, 200 calories of meal replacement shake, 60 calories of broccoli, and some Dorritos. I’m about to go eat again shortly.

[quote]LAgoon wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]LAgoon wrote:
How is me doing steroids any worse than any of you doing steroids?

[/quote]

it’s not a question of “bad” and “worse”…

we know how to eat… you don’t. this is obvious… because you are a beanpole.

this actually reminds me of a very similar situation I was going through with a friend of mine.

he wanted me to sell him a cycle (because I used to do that shit… don’t do it kids, selling drugs is bad mkay?) and I told him no, because he had no clue how to eat…

he was like “BRO I EAT TONZZZ”. so I watched him… I ate at least 8 oz. of cooked meat with 40g of carbs and 15g fat every 2 hours…

over the course of 4.5 hours he had A FUCKING BAG OF DORRITOS GO FUCK YOURSELF OP LEARN HOW TO FUCKING EAT[/quote]

Over the last 4 hours, I’ve had 1000 calories of chili, 150 calories of juice, 200 calories of meal replacement shake, 60 calories of broccoli, and some Dorritos. I’m about to go eat again shortly. [/quote]

babygirl u don’t count shit like juice and broccoli… it is PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE to eat as much as you claim to be eating and weigh as little as you do unless you are a track star…

your metabolism is NOT that fast…

EAT SHIT

like: beef, chicken, whole eggs, oatmeal, rice, nuts, peanut butter,and quinoa… and drink milk… extra virgin olive oil, virgin coconut oil… don’t eat beans and shit like that cuz they will fill u up too fast cuz of all the fiber.

eat as many veggies as u want but they don’t count as calories

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]LAgoon wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]LAgoon wrote:
How is me doing steroids any worse than any of you doing steroids?

[/quote]

it’s not a question of “bad” and “worse”…

we know how to eat… you don’t. this is obvious… because you are a beanpole.

this actually reminds me of a very similar situation I was going through with a friend of mine.

he wanted me to sell him a cycle (because I used to do that shit… don’t do it kids, selling drugs is bad mkay?) and I told him no, because he had no clue how to eat…

he was like “BRO I EAT TONZZZ”. so I watched him… I ate at least 8 oz. of cooked meat with 40g of carbs and 15g fat every 2 hours…

over the course of 4.5 hours he had A FUCKING BAG OF DORRITOS GO FUCK YOURSELF OP LEARN HOW TO FUCKING EAT[/quote]

Over the last 4 hours, I’ve had 1000 calories of chili, 150 calories of juice, 200 calories of meal replacement shake, 60 calories of broccoli, and some Dorritos. I’m about to go eat again shortly. [/quote]

babygirl u don’t count shit like juice and broccoli… it is PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE to eat as much as you claim to be eating and weigh as little as you do unless you are a track star…

your metabolism is NOT that fast…

EAT SHIT

like: beef, chicken, whole eggs, oatmeal, rice, nuts, peanut butter,and quinoa… and drink milk… extra virgin olive oil, virgin coconut oil… don’t eat beans and shit like that cuz they will fill u up too fast cuz of all the fiber.

eat as many veggies as u want but they don’t count as calories

[/quote]

I don’t know why you say veggies don’t count as calories when they clearly have calories in them. They don’t have many, so its not like they really even matter when counting them, I just threw it in the post to make sure you knew I ate them. It comes down to like 100 calories in a day, so who gives a shit.

I’m not lying to you about how much I eat. Why would I waste my time lying on a message board? Doesn’t make much sense. So if you are trying to say I don’t eat enough, you are wrong. Also, oatmeal and nuts have a lot of fiber in them, which you advised against me eating. I eat them anyway, though. Anything else?

[quote]LAgoon wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]LAgoon wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]LAgoon wrote:
How is me doing steroids any worse than any of you doing steroids?

[/quote]

it’s not a question of “bad” and “worse”…

we know how to eat… you don’t. this is obvious… because you are a beanpole.

this actually reminds me of a very similar situation I was going through with a friend of mine.

he wanted me to sell him a cycle (because I used to do that shit… don’t do it kids, selling drugs is bad mkay?) and I told him no, because he had no clue how to eat…

he was like “BRO I EAT TONZZZ”. so I watched him… I ate at least 8 oz. of cooked meat with 40g of carbs and 15g fat every 2 hours…

over the course of 4.5 hours he had A FUCKING BAG OF DORRITOS GO FUCK YOURSELF OP LEARN HOW TO FUCKING EAT[/quote]

Over the last 4 hours, I’ve had 1000 calories of chili, 150 calories of juice, 200 calories of meal replacement shake, 60 calories of broccoli, and some Dorritos. I’m about to go eat again shortly. [/quote]

babygirl u don’t count shit like juice and broccoli… it is PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE to eat as much as you claim to be eating and weigh as little as you do unless you are a track star…

your metabolism is NOT that fast…

EAT SHIT

like: beef, chicken, whole eggs, oatmeal, rice, nuts, peanut butter,and quinoa… and drink milk… extra virgin olive oil, virgin coconut oil… don’t eat beans and shit like that cuz they will fill u up too fast cuz of all the fiber.

eat as many veggies as u want but they don’t count as calories

[/quote]

I don’t know why you say veggies don’t count as calories when they clearly have calories in them. They don’t have many, so its not like they really even matter when counting them, I just threw it in the post to make sure you knew I ate them. It comes down to like 100 calories in a day, so who gives a shit.

I’m not lying to you about how much I eat. Why would I waste my time lying on a message board? Doesn’t make much sense. So if you are trying to say I don’t eat enough, you are wrong. Also, oatmeal and nuts have a lot of fiber in them, which you advised against me eating. I eat them anyway, though. Anything else?[/quote]

ok kiddo u got it figured out lol…

u will either learn, or u will stay small…

yes the testosterone will increase your weight through increased water and glycogen retention… and heck, itll increase your hunger so you might actually end up eating 3k calories in a day and putting on some muscle haha.

good luck either way

you are probably overestimating your calories. Most skinny people do. I know I did.

I’m not trying to have a go at you, it’s just fact. If you ate properly, you would be heavier.

The fact that your weights in the gym have gone up so little over the last two years is a MAJOR red flag too, which also points to undereating, and possibly a lack of intensity in the gym (which is most likely due to undereating anyway).

Again, I’m not saying this to try and insult you, it’s just the way it is. If you ate properly you would be bigger and stronger.

I don’t think you’re lying, I just think you’re mistaken. All a cycle will do for you now is get you a bit bigger for the 12 weeks, then you’ll have lost it all a few weeks after your cycle’s finished as you won’t be eating enough to support the new muscle.

(and Walkway’s right, no one counts calories from veg!)

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]LAgoon wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]LAgoon wrote:

[quote]Mr. Walkway wrote:

[quote]LAgoon wrote:
How is me doing steroids any worse than any of you doing steroids?

[/quote]

it’s not a question of “bad” and “worse”…

we know how to eat… you don’t. this is obvious… because you are a beanpole.

this actually reminds me of a very similar situation I was going through with a friend of mine.

he wanted me to sell him a cycle (because I used to do that shit… don’t do it kids, selling drugs is bad mkay?) and I told him no, because he had no clue how to eat…

he was like “BRO I EAT TONZZZ”. so I watched him… I ate at least 8 oz. of cooked meat with 40g of carbs and 15g fat every 2 hours…

over the course of 4.5 hours he had A FUCKING BAG OF DORRITOS GO FUCK YOURSELF OP LEARN HOW TO FUCKING EAT[/quote]

Over the last 4 hours, I’ve had 1000 calories of chili, 150 calories of juice, 200 calories of meal replacement shake, 60 calories of broccoli, and some Dorritos. I’m about to go eat again shortly. [/quote]

babygirl u don’t count shit like juice and broccoli… it is PHYSICALLY IMPOSSIBLE to eat as much as you claim to be eating and weigh as little as you do unless you are a track star…

your metabolism is NOT that fast…

EAT SHIT

like: beef, chicken, whole eggs, oatmeal, rice, nuts, peanut butter,and quinoa… and drink milk… extra virgin olive oil, virgin coconut oil… don’t eat beans and shit like that cuz they will fill u up too fast cuz of all the fiber.

eat as many veggies as u want but they don’t count as calories

[/quote]

I don’t know why you say veggies don’t count as calories when they clearly have calories in them. They don’t have many, so its not like they really even matter when counting them, I just threw it in the post to make sure you knew I ate them. It comes down to like 100 calories in a day, so who gives a shit.

I’m not lying to you about how much I eat. Why would I waste my time lying on a message board? Doesn’t make much sense. So if you are trying to say I don’t eat enough, you are wrong. Also, oatmeal and nuts have a lot of fiber in them, which you advised against me eating. I eat them anyway, though. Anything else?[/quote]

ok kiddo u got it figured out lol…

u will either learn, or u will stay small…

yes the testosterone will increase your weight through increased water and glycogen retention… and heck, itll increase your hunger so you might actually end up eating 3k calories in a day and putting on some muscle haha.

good luck either way[/quote]

Whatever you say. I’m eating about 700 calories of homemade dressing and turkey right now

[quote]rds63799 wrote:
you are probably overestimating your calories. Most skinny people do. I know I did.

I’m not trying to have a go at you, it’s just fact. If you ate properly, you would be heavier.

The fact that your weights in the gym have gone up so little over the last two years is a MAJOR red flag too, which also points to undereating, and possibly a lack of intensity in the gym (which is most likely due to undereating anyway).

Again, I’m not saying this to try and insult you, it’s just the way it is. If you ate properly you would be bigger and stronger.

I don’t think you’re lying, I just think you’re mistaken. All a cycle will do for you now is get you a bit bigger for the 12 weeks, then you’ll have lost it all a few weeks after your cycle’s finished as you won’t be eating enough to support the new muscle.

(and Walkway’s right, no one counts calories from veg!)[/quote]

I appreciate you not calling me a girlyboy. I also appreciate your tone and advice. I know you are suspecting that my intensity is not high enough and I’m not getting the calories I think I am getting, but I work hard in the gym and count the calories of everything I eat. I will give just working out hard and eating big a couple of more months as I save up for a cycle, but I have my doubts it will be very effective. I will definitely give it a shot, though. By the way, my brother and his friend, who I have said eat less than me and who recently completed 8 week testosterone cycles, have kept almost all of their gains going on 5 weeks or so off the cycle. This is just what I am seeing happen.

I also have question for you about counting calories. I’m not trying to be a smart ass or anything, but if you say I’m overestimating my calorie consumption, I’d like to know how to correctly estimate it. My current method is to read the nutrition facts label on the food I am eating, or to look up the food on the internet for caloric value. I do count liquids and vegetables as calories, though they are not that much. If they do not count as calories, could you explain why? Just help me out a little here so we can have the same idea of what 3300 calories looks like.

ill make it really simple for you

I haven’t given up on you yet, because there was someone who refused to give up on me and I benefitted greatly from it. but after this, I will give up on you.

it seems like u REALLY want to gain weight… so do the following:

-buy a food scale (metal or glass)
-buy measuring cups and spoons
-eat 7 oz. of lean meat (cooked measure), 1 cup of oatmeal (raw measure), or 1/4 cup of rice (raw measure) and 1 tbsp. of either extra virgin olive oil, virgin coconut oil, macademia oil, or 2 tbsp. of peanut/almond butter per meal for 6 meals a day… as many green leafy vegetables as you want.

if you somehow aren’t gaining weight with that, make it 7 meals… if you aren’t gaining on 7, make it 8.

if you wake up (on your own without setting the clock) in the middle of the night, have a meal or a protein shake with 45g whey isolate, 1 cup oatmeal, and 1 tbsp. extra virgin olive oil or 2tbsp nut butter.

after your workout have 45g whey isolate

time one of your meals to be consumed 1-1.5 hours before your workout.

I eat the same meal at least 5 times a day… and I don’t even want to be that big! my ultimate goal is 230 onstage… of course you’re half a foot taller than me but still…

I could almost say this thread needs to be a sticky, with the vast amount of very similar posts we get on here

Dude if you, your brother and his friend got it all figured out, why are you here asking for advice?

Several people have tried to give you good standard info several times and your still not getting the message.

Also eat more.

As you stated so graciously your 21.5, lol years old…You have not been alive long enough to say you have been doing “anything for years”.

Even if you had been lifting for years…your doing it wrong!

In summary eat more, learn to lift/train optimally and correctly. And yes we are giving you a little “newb taunting” because we have heard this same post and excuses and hundred times already. Well that and the fact you kind of asked for it by posting a novel of your life history along with documented record every time a bandaid was applied.

Lastly to answer your questions about counting vegetables, if you were honestly eating enough you would not worry about factoring in 70 calories from broccoli. Please that shits on the plate for color. If you were getting 4K in calories a day you wouldn’t ask that question because you would be too busy eating, working, eating, crapping, eating, training, eating, cooking and sleeping.

You ever ate a whole 3lbs chicken as a meal?
Ever get up in the middle of the night to force down 1.5 lbs of ground beef with a box a hamburger helper before you let yourself go back to sleep?
Ever set a timer 30min a not allow yourself to set the fork down to it goes off?

WE HAVE for months and months and years at a time. You will know when your eating enough because you will be miserable every minute your awake

Anyway I know you think were a bunch of assholes but everyone is actually trying to help you.

You are worried about all the wrong things about food and debating us when the argument is onesided. I told you, at your age I thought I was eating enough. Once I started riding my bike 400 miles a week and swimming with my college swim team I learned how to eat. I essentally was either working out, eating, sleeping, or fucking my GF. Nothing like being a youth and living at home.

You knock gomad when it is tried and tested.

No one has said dont do a cycle, it is just you can do one with your current plan and any benefit will be transitory.

If you have an In N Out (something truly missed in Oz) go andveat as many triple triples as you can. I can hork down three. Do that a few times a week.

Read this: http://www.metabolicdiet.com/books/as_bb.pdf

Like I said, do that for a month and THEN come back and tell us what you did and that it didn’t work.

Take a challenge from me. Weigh yourself. Dont weigh yourself for four days. Eat 6000 real calories for those four days and then weigh yourself. I dare you.

You will ony get to 220+ pounds at the table. How you look at 220 is dependent on your workouts.

I have enjoyed this thread because I have read some good tips I will use. You’re proving yourself foolish for not seeing the quality advice.

Do you think pregnant women gain weight because they are worried about counting calories? They gain weight because for the first time they get to eat like men.

Op just because your brother and friends eat 3000 calories and gain doesn’t mean you will. Every body is different. A caloric surplus will make you gain weight, your obviously not eating enough if your not gaining weight. If you say your very active, and go to the gym regularly then 3000 cals in not a lot even for your weight.

My mantiance is around 4500 cals a day and if I want to gain its 5k plus. Point is you need to eat more, veggies don’t count because there considered a negative calorie, meaning it takes more calories to digest the veggies than what the veggies have in them.

[quote]tattoo’d’popeye wrote:
Thats skinny man, like I can see your back ribs through your T-shirt skinny.

[/quote]

LOL!!