Advice for Building Muscle and Burning Fat

Training Bodybuilding
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[quote]Bricknyce wrote:
I think Tom’s book is great. I have it on my computer. Its very thorough and well written and informative. Beats most of the other shit books out there.

Tribunaldude,

That’s the problem. I mean - well - these guys don’t even know how to organize their training to get a 315 lb bench. How are they going to know how to get to 500, a poundage almost all on this board will NEVER EVER reach!

“Get a 405 lb incline bench for 15 reps!”

“Uh, hello? How am I going to do this?!”

^^^That is where the problem lies.

“Follow a program that allows for poundage increase.”

“Well, how should I set up my program.”

A more rational way of giving someone advice is to point them to an information product (article, DVD, CD, book) that allows for them to write their own progral or meal plan. OR actually suggest “go to this guy, he is good. Pay him to do it for you.”

I forgot who said it and even if I did, I wouldn’t point someone out, but I do remember someone saying “get your incline bench to 405 for 10 reps and see how your chest looks.”

Well, I can assure everyone that almost no one on this board will EVER have an incline bench of 405 x 10 reps! Dorian used 455 on the incline for 5 reps at his peak. Who on this board is going to perform anywhere near this?
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Brick… Whenever I try to explain how to set up a program that allows for maximum progression in the hypertrophy zone over time… You know which program I end up describing (often without even realizing it), and people seem to be allergic to anyone writing about that certain program and feel the need to argue every little detail.

So lately with the guys I’m helping over PM or e-mail, I just let them do their regular approach and try to add a principle here and there, as well as telling them about a few “special” exercises, but it’s just not the same.

Also, I get tired of explaining the same principles over and over to people who could just use the goddamned search function…

And having to argue against people who are convinced that you must train tbt 3 days a week and change your entire approach every 4 weeks and who will not change their opinion even as reality breaks their noses… This isn’t worth my time, I got a family and job to attend to.

I say let’s collect all the info about those 2-3 training styles/philosophies making average joes big and the accompanying diet in one thread and sticky it, people can choose which philosophy to follow and there you have it…

But it won’t happen. Not on this board.

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[quote]Cephalic_Carnage wrote:
Bricknyce wrote:
I think Tom’s book is great. I have it on my computer. Its very thorough and well written and informative. Beats most of the other shit books out there.

Tribunaldude,

That’s the problem. I mean - well - these guys don’t even know how to organize their training to get a 315 lb bench. How are they going to know how to get to 500, a poundage almost all on this board will NEVER EVER reach!

“Get a 405 lb incline bench for 15 reps!”

“Uh, hello? How am I going to do this?!”

^^^That is where the problem lies.

“Follow a program that allows for poundage increase.”

“Well, how should I set up my program.”

A more rational way of giving someone advice is to point them to an information product (article, DVD, CD, book) that allows for them to write their own progral or meal plan. OR actually suggest “go to this guy, he is good. Pay him to do it for you.”

I forgot who said it and even if I did, I wouldn’t point someone out, but I do remember someone saying “get your incline bench to 405 for 10 reps and see how your chest looks.”

Well, I can assure everyone that almost no one on this board will EVER have an incline bench of 405 x 10 reps! Dorian used 455 on the incline for 5 reps at his peak. Who on this board is going to perform anywhere near this?

Brick… Whenever I try to explain how to set up a program that allows for maximum progression in the hypertrophy zone over time…

You know which program I end up describing (often without even realizing it), and people seem to be allergic to anyone writing about that certain program and feel the need to argue every little detail.

So lately with the guys I’m helping over PM or e-mail, I just let them do their regular approach and try to add a principle here and there, as well as telling them about a few “special” exercises, but it’s just not the same.

Also, I get tired of explaining the same principles over and over to people who could just use the goddamned search function…

And having to argue against people who are convinced that you must train tbt 3 days a week and change your entire approach every 4 weeks and who will not change their opinion even as reality breaks their noses… This isn’t worth my time, I got a family and job to attend to.

I say let’s collect all the info about those 2-3 training styles/philosophies making average joes big and the accompanying diet in one thread and sticky it, people can choose which philosophy to follow and there you have it…

But it won’t happen. Not on this board.

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Agreed. No one in their right mind is going to treat every single person who asks the same questions thousands of times over as if they need to be hand held through the process of learning that heavy weights build muscle and gaining weight generally implies a gain in muscle if strength is increasing.

Most of these people are not serious. They won’t even be in the gym two months from now. The rest are dumb enough to argue that split training is somehow inferior even though that is how the largest and strongest people on this site trained.

There IS a search function. There are several years of debates that cover every possible angle.

So, yes, in the face of that, “lift heavy weight and eat more” is very often exactly what they need to hear.

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As usual, I agree with Professor X, and have stated my grievance above with my reference to “unanswerable” questions and in other threads - ones that I created - like the Questions of the Misguided Thread.

People come on this board thinking that the more experienced ones are going to spend one two hours writing a meal plan and training program for someone and to fully critique their routines.

Its also why I stated above my bewilderment about the simplicity that no one uses - typing “beginning bodybuilding” or any other keyword of choice into T-mag, Google, Amazon, or any other site and figuring shit out on their own with no one’s help AND …

going into a fuckin’ gym instead of meditating on a couch about the minutia of training and eating!

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
Mad_Duck wrote:
Usually I’d think a gain of 30 lbs of muscle would be a stretch,

Why would gaining 30lbs of muscle be a stretch for a beginner?

That should pretty much be the fucking average if people quit being pussies in the gym.[/quote]

as I said, it was 4AM, but you’re as usual, right about the 30 lbs. I guess I got the sense that the OP was someone who had the mindset of someone more comfortable being on the light side, but it’s up to him.

& I’m speaking as someone who is working toward reducing his personal pussification in the gym, I’m here for the expertise of others.

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Thank you all for the contributions to this message.

I guess I’ll have to agree with you that it’s counter productive to do too much planning and meditation about a body building goal. You have to get to the gym and train! More insight into training details will probably come afterwards by itself.

If I have to choose between building muscle and burning fat I rather build muscle first and then cut down on the body fat for definition.

Thanks again.