Adam Archuleta

Scott613,

“but he is right, saying Adam is incredibly strong is too general.”

So really all this quibbling is over the ‘incredibly’ attached to ‘strong’. What if I had said ‘amazingly strong’ or ‘really strong’ or ‘considerably strong’?

I didn’t realize that in chatting I had to consult the Powerlifters Guide to Adverbs.

Here’s why I think the way I do: if you had said that Mariusz Pudzianowski was ‘incredibly fast’ - which he is in his sport - do you think I would have pulled a “BULLSHIT” and started blathering about how Maurice Greene and Michael Vick were ‘incredibly fast’ and Mariusz couldn’t hold a candle to them?

Of course I wouldn’t, because you and I would both know know - assuming common sense - the context in which you meant it. Mariusz is incredibly fast, but it’s silly to think I thought you meant to put him in league with professional sprinters.

[quote]kefu wrote:
He also had a 93-yard fumble return last night. Most of the powerlifters in my gym would take 30 seconds plus to run 93 yards, if they didn’t collapse first.
I think we should all agree that as an all-round athlete combining strength, speed, agility, etc - Archuleta is in excellent shape. And for a football player, he’s incredibly strong.[/quote]

Well said, and there is more about Archuletta that you guys don’t know. He isn’t exactly god’s gift to football, even has a highschool senior he barely ran a 4.8/4.9 time, and could hardly bench around 250. His dedication to his dreams and the amount of work and effort he has put in to it has to be respected by anyone, football player, powerlifter, body builder. Name one other player who in the modern day and age in football where there are highschool linebackers weighing 240 and running 4.5’s (ahmad brooks at Fork Union, now at UVA, now a butkis finalist, and once knocked the living shit out of me), who weighed roughly 210 at the time, walked on a D1 football team (like archuletta did at ASU), make the team, earn a starting bid, and by his senior year be a finalist for the butkis award (as the best linebacker in the country). AT LINEBACKER (and often times he would line up as a middle linebacker). He devoted himself to training and making himself that best he could. When was the last time you dedicated your life to someting? Yes he is devestating against the run, and suspect against the pass. Why? Because as a linebacker you aren’t taught the finer techniques at pass coverage. In fact, as a linebacker, you usually only cover the tight end, and as a linebacker with 4.4 speed, there wasn’t any tight ends in college (or even in the league still) that he couldn’t run with. Think about it, the last time Archuletta received coaching at DB before he was in the NFL was in HIGHSCHOOL. I play Division 1 football, and I play DB (strong safety, mind you), and I’m going to tell you right now the level of coaching between college and highschool is so vastly different and on a so much more superior level that it isn’t even comparable. It’s like receiving advice from a personal trainer at your local Y, and then have someone like Dave Tate or or Chad Waterbury give you coaching. Give adam two more years and you’ll see him come into his prime. But nevermind all the obstacles, lets talk about his training.

And yes, the 523 bench was a forced rep, his true 1-rep max, RAW, is exactly 510, when I find that video I’ll post it, it was on a mini ESPN segment (not the full one they did where they highlighted schroer and his techniques). If you guys see the workout video, there are alot of things on their that even powerlifters have to respect. He weighed 210 pounds on combine day, roughly 223 now. You can’t sit there and tell me about how your gym partners weigh that much and bench the same as him. I beleive it because that is what they train for. Ok so adam probably isn’t as strong as Mario P (ok we know he isnt even all that close). But I would love for Mario P to try and cover Randy Moss and or Terell Owens. Archuletta isnt exactly a blanket corner, but he holds his own in man coverage (it’s the zone where archuletta is suspect, esp cover 2, where your responsibilites as safety can change in a heartbeat). For that matter, I would love for Mario to try and run full speed past someone like Flozel Adams. Now all the powerlifters out there (who I respect greatly, without you Westside guys we wouldn’t be able to lift the way we do), are going to cry that you cant compare the two because Mario doesnt play football. Yeah well adam isnt a powerlifter that plays football, he is a football player that on a given day may do a powerlift. I challenge most anyone to go out there and crank out a day’s worth (and by day i mean 300 reps, broken up into sets over the course of his workouts that day) of natural glute hams the way he does, weighing about 225 with a 40 pound dumbell on the back of his neck and one of the electric machines shocking his legs (what are they called again?)
He has functional strength, and even if he can’t bench everyone out of the gym, you can’t deny his strength. 510 bench raw, squats in the high 600’s, and all that while weighing 225 (now) and running a 4.4. To be fair, no one has seen him bench since his video or the combine, when he weighed roughly 215. Oh yeah, anyone else remember his vertical leap is 38 inches? Or was there a coil in the mat giving him an extra inch. :wink:

And finally. I dont know who said it above, but you are an idiot. He does not have linebacker size. I can’t think of a single linebacker in the NFL that weighs 225, with perhaps the exception of Al Singleton (228) in Dallas, that actually plays, the closest is John Villanova, and he is around 235ish. He is 5’11 225, if you want to talk about safeties that should be linebackers look at guys like Roy Williams of Dallas and Sean Taylor of Washington. Those are big boys, and they are also genetic freaks.

As for his numbers last year, you have to remember that he was out for 3 games last year, and played 3 games where he still wasnt 100%. Anyone who has played football knows how hard it is to play hurt, but you do it anyways. And they also know how hard it is to come back after a 3 week layoff, esp at a speed position where getting tested can end up in you getting toasted. He still had 79 tackles, a year after he had 116, one of the highest strong safety totals in the NFL. Not to include his 5 sacks (in his injured year), which i beleive were among the highest of safties. As for him being “often injured” you too my friend, are a moron, because up until last year archuletta had never missed a game due to injury since highschool (he had never even had a serious injury all throughout college and his first two years in the NFL). He is on pace to have around 100+ tackles, but then again, you and I can both do that right?

Forget everything, forget how he plays, how his 93 yard touchdown last night inspired the transparent St. Louis defense, forget all that for one second, i’m going to leave the T-nation readers a little something about my favorite professional athlete, as a person. When being interviewed post game last night, in the salary driven, money and fame hungry aura that is professional athletics, this was Adam’s response when asked what he thought of his “big play in the 3rd quarter to keep St. Louis on top”

“That’s something we wanted to establish as a defense,” Archuleta said. “We hadn’t been getting turnovers through the preseason and the first few games.”

i guess he didnt realize it was “his” big play.

hoosierdaddy:

Man, a very powerful post. I was just thinking the other day that Archuleta is definitely not just a “workout warrior”. He’s a darn fine football player. Anybody that says otherwise is just not paying very close attention to things.

There are many people under 200lbs who have benched over 500. Palmer and Conyers are putting up totals that are around 12x their body weight. That is strong.

Lets not forget OLifters either such as Pyrros Dimas who is also incredibly strong.

BM:
How was it training with Palmer? That must be amazing. The smaller guys are great inspiration for people such as myself who are just starting out and are in the lower weight classes.

One more question, I’m looking to get into bench shirts, any recommendations for the first time bench shirt user? I’m hearing amazing things about the rage x (one ply) but I’m not sure if that would be too advanced for me.

Thanks.

Hoosierdaddy- You’re not Will Meyers are you?

Hoosierdaddy…from one hoosier ot another i agree with every thing you said…adam is the best trained athlete in the nfl…probally the hardest working also…i also think he is a great football player…I have no beef with athletes and I myself also played a divsion 1 sport and work with athletes…I LOVE ATHLETES…but the thing is the lift in question is a powerlift (benchpress) and why he is a football player and a damn good one his bench press is still not incredibile even at 510…is it great for a football player YES…is it great for anybody YES…is it incredibile no…as much as i respect football, soccer, baseball, track, players i give powerlifters the same respect…and taking a 510 bench press and calling it incredibile is a slap in the face ot them…good luck with your football…rb

Training with ron was amazing…I only have a few times but every time i left amazed and learned a shit load…speaking of ron did you see he put up a great total at 181 at the sos…

for a beginer bench shirt…i have never used the rage x so i dont know…i have heard its a great shirt but have also heard that it in a sinlge pply when tight has taken up to 535 to touch with…i think the fury with a open back or a metal pro would be your best bet…rb

Sorry to piss so many people off with this thread but i just haveo much respect for powerlifters, strongmen, oly lifters ect…and i fell they get no where near the amount of respect they deserve…of all the sports i have played powerlifting has been the toughest…i find very few people i meet in daily life that have the balls to do it…i also hear excuse after excuse on why there strong and haveing done it personally and competively now for the past 3 years i have adeep respect for it…so i apoligize…rb

Speaking of the WPO SOS, Travis Mash did absolutely amazing. 2400 total at 220. I’d like to see video of his lifts, but powerlifting video footage always seems hard to find.

Thanks for the advice on the shirts.

big martin:

How many people do you know who can bench press 510 lbs RAW weighing in the low 200s?

[quote]kenmen wrote:
big martin:

How many people do you know who can bench press 510 lbs RAW weighing in the low 200s?[/quote]

HAHAHAHAHA Not Archuletta!

[quote]kenmen wrote:
big martin:

How many people do you know who can bench press 510 lbs RAW weighing in the low 200s?[/quote]

Well I personally know 2 guys who probally bench right around there raw and our lighter than adam…both are WPO lifters 1. ron palmer who competes in the weight classes between 165-181, i have seen him bench press 405 raw for 10+…2.mike coe is a 198 never seen him max bench raw but with his shirt max his raw bench has ot be at least 495 at a pre competition body weight of 175…now thats just in my little world i know a total of about 10 serious powerlifters in my city…rb

[quote]big martin wrote:
kenmen wrote:
big martin:

How many people do you know who can bench press 510 lbs RAW weighing in the low 200s?

Well I personally know 2 guys who probally bench right around there raw and our lighter than adam…both are WPO lifters 1. ron palmer who competes in the weight classes between 165-181, i have seen him bench press 405 raw for 10+…2.mike coe is a 198 never seen him max bench raw but with his shirt max his raw bench has ot be at least 495 at a pre competition body weight of 175…now thats just in my little world i know a total of about 10 serious powerlifters in my city…rb[/quote]

Fine, and I assume you consider those gentlemen to be “incredibly strong”.

dude,

i can’t believe this freakin’ debate has gone this far. all BM is trying to say is that Archuleta is a great foot ball player, but he isn’t incredibly strong by the definition of strong. perhaps strength is in the eye of the beholder, so if you are a 200 pound bencher, then to you, yeah, Archuleta is strong. someone who benches 600 would not think Archuleta is incredibly strong. i don’t find football players to be all that strong as a whole, not when most linemen can’t come close to totaling what middleweight PL’ers do. like I said, I saw a Falcon lineman working the squat with 225-315 and this guy was close to 280-300 himself by eyeing him up, for all you haters NO i didn’t ask him to step on a scale. still, for his size he should have had a HELL of a lot more plates on the bar. in general, football players lack a lot in their strength programs. that is not the case for ALL teams, but a lot focus more on conditioning and less on strength.

now, let’s see how long we can keep this going. jump in whiners!

Whining? Perhaps.

I don’t think PL meet bench presses have gone through the roof in the past couple of years because so many guys all of a sudden got that much stronger. It’s due to the equipment being used… no? I mean, the world record in the clean and jerk hasn’t gone up 200 lbs in the past couple years, has it? Give me a break.

[quote]kenmen wrote:
big martin wrote:
kenmen wrote:
big martin:

How many people do you know who can bench press 510 lbs RAW weighing in the low 200s?

Well I personally know 2 guys who probally bench right around there raw and our lighter than adam…both are WPO lifters 1. ron palmer who competes in the weight classes between 165-181, i have seen him bench press 405 raw for 10+…2.mike coe is a 198 never seen him max bench raw but with his shirt max his raw bench has ot be at least 495 at a pre competition body weight of 175…now thats just in my little world i know a total of about 10 serious powerlifters in my city…rb

Fine, and I assume you consider those gentlemen to be “incredibly strong”.
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No i dont think either are considerd incredibile benchers…there benches are top eleite level but not incredibile, there are plenty of ebnch specialist who are benching 700+ at 220 and bill carpenter is training to ebnch 800 at 220…now when it come to a 3 lift meet total yes ron palmer is incredibily strong…he is the only man in history to total 12xhis body weight…he squated 805 at 165 has squated well over 800 at 181…benches near 600 at 181…and hius deadlift is flat ass incredibile over 700 and pulled 700 for 4 fucking reps at bench america exhibiion…now yea ron is fucking incredibile strong…i would say rons worst lift is his bench though…

now to your gear attack…liek i said before i refuse to be lectured on gear by some one who benches probally 225…if bench shirts make you bench 600 please please kenman buy a shirt start a training log here at T-mag and one year from today bench 600 at a meet…the reason the record has flown up is becuase gene rylecheck is talented…scott mendelso has the best raw bench in the world 725 pounds but guess what he competes in wpo with all the other gusy in bench shirts and dosent whine about it…please please kenman prove me wrong get a shirt and prove us all wrong that these guys only bench 225 like you but put ona shirt and bench 700…rb

This thread has got to die

so are you trying to say bench shirts dont help?

psu kinesiology grad here who had zatsoirsky for class and he used to straight up call out the football program in class with subtle comments that went straight over most students heads! It was great and our team is a bunch of pussies. Look good, low bodyfat but weak, weak, weak, weak, weak… Go JoePa…

figured changing subject was only way to make this thread die

I dont know if this has been said yet or not but I think that adam archuleta is incredibly strong.

That’s funny. And incredibly hot as well, I guess. I think some of the reason pro players do not work to their capacity, according to a friend who knows an NFL player’s agent, is that the S&C coaches are hesitant to even remotely have any injury opportunity. The player gets injured during a scripted w/o under the S&C’s watch…and the team and players’ agent penalize the S&C coach because the player makes so much money. So maybe they keep the weight amounts relatively light.

Briansaint - that’s awesome! my wife is a PSU grad, went through the actuary program. We go up there a couple times a year, and I want to look Dr. Z up, that is killer he calls out the team in class! I can’t believe with that genius on the teaching staff that the S&C program sucks, it is a disgrace.

Scipio - that is pretty interesting actually. however, i feel a lot of it has to do with weak coaches who don’t know what real strength is. i think the education of hte coaches is the main culprit, but that is an intersting approach abuot the injury thing. thing is, if the S&C staff implemented an intelligent program, the players should be LESS likely to get injured. NOT saying they won’t, but it should help with injury prevention. but HIT doesn’t really do that…

Big Martin, I second the motion for Kenman to step up and get a bench shirt. C’mon Kenman, step up and show us how a bench shirt will automatically give you a 600 lb. bench press. Hell, if you can get your bad-ass into a bench shirt and hit 600 in a meet by next year, I will hire you as my trainer! Step it up man, put your balls where your brilliant theory is…