Activating Muscle Protein Synthesis Everyday

I see what you’re saying, and it makes sense. I guess maybe the reason it doesn’t work for me (I’ve tried it) is because I get carried away. Instead of doing 4 sets of pullups, I would do 4 sets of pullups + lat pulldowns + 1-2 row variations. I think that’s why it caught up to me in the form of fatigue.

Yes this is widely accepted by everyone except gym bros who give arms their own day. ARMS. That has to be the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard. Of course I’m guilty of doing that too, but it took me about a month before I realized that that wasn’t going to work. Anyways: I agree that higher frequency is desirable for most people except the guys at west side. Lol.

Yeah, the body is a crazy thing. I believe (not 100% sure) that that’s why powerlifters and strongmen try to concentrate on specificity before the meet. Build as many motor neuron pathways as possible to make the movement more efficient and thus more powerful.

Question: are you a bodybuilder or powerlifter? How do you classify your training/what are your goals? Just out of curiosity

I’m just gonna answer the only thing you wrote that resembled a counter argument.

If you look at my log you’ll see I’ve had zero issues increasing weight, reps, or sets. Progressive overload is a sign that whatever you’re doing right now, is working.

I’ve pretty much read everything by Greg lol. But in that article he states that mps is correlated with muscle growth IF every other factor has been accounted for like nutrition, recovery, mpb, and exercise.

Yes. You have to be good at autoregulation and not taking things too far. However your work capacity increases.

I started out doing 4x10 daily, then 6x10, and now I’m comfortably doing 10x10 on both chest/back without recovery issues.

However now I’m going to drop the volume cus I’m going to start directly hitting arms and I’m also going to go a bit heavier and get rid of “junk” volume.

What I love about it is how motivating it is. Everyday I’m progressing either by doing more reps, more sets, or more weight so I always have goals to shoot for

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Wow, wish I knew this obviously only important bit of info before I wasted all those years winning natural contests and earning multiple natural pro cards (and yes, coaching countless other natural pros) - lol.

If only the really Advanced and experienced natural competitors would take the time to forget everything they’ve learned and benefited from and listen to rank newb trainers as they revolutionize the sport as well as human biology with their short sighted and extremely limited concept of how to achieve world class results!

Seriously,… I’ll give you credit for at least trying to understand how this all works, but you’re missing a lot of other vriables.

@BrickHead

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I don’t know why you guys are even bothering having this same discussion again.

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http://www.lookgreatnaked.com/blog/how-many-times-should-you-train-a-muscle-each-week/

Here’s a study showing high frequencies produced significantly greater gains than low frequencies.

Just because you trained a certai way doesnt mean its the best.

Look at the analogy of 2 cars reaching a destination. One car is going at 120mph and the other at 80mph. They’ll both get to their destinations but one will gwt their faster.

If you can point out what it is about lower frequencies that help you achieve more overall hypertrophy then point it out, I’m all ears.

Instead of acting slick just point out why you feel a certain way. I’m nkt afraid to say I’m wrong afterall I’m here to vecome more knowledeable and challenge certain ingrained beliefs.

However, I feel it is a bit sketch that in one thread you said that you don’t really need to increase the weights you’re lifting for a year at a time to make gains.

I don’t know any natural lifter who doesn’t focus on progressive overload over the long term. The ones that usually don’t talk about that are the roided out monkeys.

If I said this it’s in the Context of the multitude of other variables involved In making muscular gains. I personally and intentionally lowered the weights I was lifting during my competituve years And instead focused on TUT, MMC, pre-exhaust, and proper sequencing to produce the desired result. This is something you can’t comprehend yet because of where you are in the journey. You can talk about people you know as if it gives support to your stance, but I’m willing to be the list of “people I know”(and who support mine) greatly trounces yours in terms of education, and experience. To quote a certain delusional YouTube personality: “think about that for a minute.”

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I sometimes try to redirect the thought process of guys like the OP since they’re not up to the level of comprehending an actual discussion. Other than that, it’s really pretty cute to watch.

You know like the dudes who made Troll 2 actually thought they were making a good movie? That’s why it’s so fucking hilarious.

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So then show me the evidence? You have failed to do so and you’re basically saying “I have more experience thus I now best”

But the thing is, bodybuilding is murky. Everything said needs to be taken with a grain of salt because there are so many variables.

I have pointed out several studies where as you’ve pointed out to none. You’ve also failed to answer my question

So all you’ve done is swing your dick around act like an authority and not provide any kind of explanations as to why.

Am I supposed to just blindly agree with you like all your other minions?

Quotes from Brad’s study write up (I have his book and have read the studies as they were done… you’re not really providing information that most TN folks havent discussed before many many time):

“_Due to an insufficient number of studies looking at training 1, 2, or 3 days per week, we were unable to produce reliable estimates on the hypertrophic effects of specific lifting frequencies.” _

high training frequencies may ultimately lead to an overtrained state and thus have a negative impact on muscle development

“Unfortunately there simply aren’t enough studies to make more concrete determinations as to the precise number of times that a muscle should be trained each week for optimal growth.”

“It’s important to realize that research studies are relatively short-term, usually lasting 6 to 12 weeks. Problem is, you can’t necessarily extrapolate that results found would continue over time”

Did you even reads the write up or just find one sentence and run to post?

and I doubt anyone reading this thread (if anyone is left) views any other poster than yourself as trying to “wave their dick around”. PLenty of very intelligent accomplished people on here, you need to realize that.

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OP, this will be my one attempt to help you salvage your potential standing in the TN community.

Coming from someone who has been lifting all of 8 months, the comment above is the sort that rubs people the wrong way. It would be one thing if your attitude was ‘Hi, I’m a noob who is new to TN. I’ve been reading a lot about high-frequency training; what do you guys think about it?’ But instead, you decide it is The Truth on a level akin to the Eleventh Commandment, and proceed to argue the point with people who have something all the studies in the world can’t compete with–years and years of experience. (Yeah, I know how little you think of experience. More on this below.)

Speaking of experience: Eight months. That’s how long you’ve been training. I have containers of protein powder older than that. Consider: How would you feel if someone who had been lifting for 8 days were to argue with you, to tell you you were wrong? (And for a few of us who have been at this for much longer than you’ve been alive, the apt comparison would be more like someone arguing with you who’d been lifting for 8 minutes.) If the 8-day lifter were to dismiss your knowledge and experience out of hand, no doubt you would be incredulous, and would consider him an arrogant SOB. You would probably shake your head and walk away when he started mouthing off, knowing full well he had no idea what he was talking about.

Again, speaking of experience: Here is but one example of where your unearned arrogance gets you in trouble. You demand to see “evidence,” and denigrate those who proffer their extensive experience as such. But you follow this up by acknowledging that “bodybuilding is murky.” Which is absolutely correct–BBing is murky. That is, it’s simply impossible for even the best-executed research to capture all of the relevant variables. And given the inescapable, inherent murkiness of BBing, the #1 most important predictive factor for useful BBing knowledge isn’t research, it’s experience. That is, if someone has (or had) a contest-winning physique, and has coached hundreds of other people to where they had contest-winning physiques, that is as strong as evidence gets of being correct in the murky world of BBing.

Now, does it prove they’re right–that their method is best? Of course not. But proof is a standard not achievable in BBing. So for someone with a track record like that of @The_Mighty_Stu, it is not necessary that he ‘provide explanations as to why his methods work’ in order for them to be considered legitimate; his methods are prima facie correct, based on the results he has achieved for himself and hundreds of clients. Put another way: The proof is in the pudding.

And speaking one last time of experience: In my TN experience, people who come in with your attitude either adjust it and hang around, or they don’t adjust it, in which case they get trolled/hounded off the site (not by me–I’ll simply ignore you). The way things go is entirely up to you.

Done.

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I am in agreement with you and will try all the things as you mentioned in your description.

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Well said @EyeDentist

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That’s interesting, because I have also read his book, and here is a direct quote on frequency:

“Studies show superior neuromuscular adapta-
tions, hormonal markers for recovery, strength
improvement, and gains in lean body mass in those performing volume-equated programs
with higher frequencies and less volume per
session (298).”

Here is one thing he said that could potentially go against my argument:

“General hypertrophy training guidelines
recommend allowing at least 48 hours
between resistance bouts for the same muscle
group (656). It has been surmised that train-
ing before muscle protein synthesis has fully
run its course—which lasts up to approxi-
mately 48 hours postexercise—impairs muscle
protein accretion (442).”

However the keyword here is “surmised”. It’s never been tested in humans, only rats.

Also, it’s not volume equated. Yes, if you do a chest workout consisting of 12 sets, you’ll need at least 48 hours before working out again. But what if you only do 3-4 sets of chest? You’ll be ready to go much quicker. In my case, 24 hours is sufficient.

There is also the evidence of people who use certain muscles daily as a result of their jobs or their sports who grow big muscles because of it.

The guy with the most pull ups in 24 hours is David Goggins. When asked what his routine was, he said, “pull ups everyday”

Now, take a look at his lats a little later in the video:

I have need to ask please give it a rest already…your starting to look foolish. Why do you feel the need to challenge everyone on this ? No one is taking you serious now… its already pointed out about Stu qualification not only coaching and competition level and as I have mentioned the does have college degrees in the actual field. So its not like hes some BRO in some gym. If what I have read in this thread that you only have 8 months experience you might want to get your ego under control since all this has become from someone from the outside looking in , this seems more about you wanting to prove your correct in your assumption.Again may I ask why you feel the need to challenge everyone on this because you feel you been disrespected? Did you assume that people would automatically respect your point of view? Or are you trying to come across as some Alpha Male? Hey bud im trying to be polite now when I do not have to be… I think you dont seem to grasp that a few of the guys whom are tearing into you arent from your generation ( I assume your under 30) where respect isn’t freely given it is earned by deeds and actions. I honestly dont give a care regarding this now …other than giving some advice you might want to take to heart.

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Those aren’t bodybuilder/hypertrophy Pull-ups they’re “jerk around like a salmon and try to get your Chin over the bar as quickly and efficiently as possible without isolating/taxing your Lats too much”'s

And as to his lat development, it’s average for a skinny guy. No bodybuilder worth his salt would assess his physique and think they had a lot to learn.

Keep arguing your one guy though. It’s a shame, because some very intelligeny folks are trying to politely point you in the right direction but your ego and attitude is ruining it for yourself.

No quotes above are wrong, but ask yourself how many top competitors does schoendfd coach…

I respect Brad a lot, but while his studies show what they show HE KNOWS that it’s not the complete picture. Sadly so many of his nuthuggers who latch onto some piece of his body of work and suddenly fancy themselves having cracked the code and being able to showb that every successful bodybuilder over the last 50 years was “doing it wrong” is ruining the landscape IMO.

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OP- It’s not that you’re flat out wrong. Its that you’ve latched on to one little piece of a huge problem, and you’re arguing with a guy that is really well versed and practiced in the art and science of solving it.

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The irony here is amazing. Despite being in agreement on similar principles, all the vets here are from vastly different backgrounds and using different training methods while the noobs are doing and regurgitaing the same shit while thinking they’re different from everyone else.

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As for the delusion of actually “challenging ingrained beliefs”, come on, no one here has gone into this guy’s log and told him he’s doing everything wrong. On the contrary, most of us have been rather encouraging.

Who’s really the one with “ingrained beliefs” here?

Jesus Christ, if the amount of irony here rained like bitcoin into my wallet, I’d be retired and living like a Bond villain with a tank full of sharks with frikin’ lasers right now.

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190 is skinny? He has bigger, thicker lats than you do. The point I was trying to show is that hitting a muscle everyday will make it grow, a lot.

Hahahah. So you quote Brad when it suits you, but attempt to discredit him when it doesn’t lmfao.

Listen man. You do you. I’ll do me. I hope you old geezers stay around to watch my long term progress doing things my way. You’ll learn a thing or two.

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