About Islam

[Makavali]

[quote]dyskee wrote:
seriously lixy is a muslim??! lol

shari’a is [/quote]perfect[quote] and u got some countries that rule by it like saudi arabia iran but here in egypt we rule by the NATIONALIST constitution.

also as i have mentioned before the islamix ottman state was [/quote]perfect[quote] because it ruled by the shari’a hence when it power was growing so quickly the west allied with attaturk the nationalist to tear it down, and i won’t wait for u to ask me why was the muslim state torn down when it was supposed to be perfect???

i’ll tell you my friend [/quote]because nothing is perfect[quote] but god almighty the corruption began to infiltrate its infrastructure and thus they were big AND WEAK.

the quran doen’t mention religions other than christianity or judaism others are considered atheiests for the reasons i told u before[/quote]

Well… I think you’re wrong there. God is perfect. Shari’a therefore couldn’t have come from God, because that would imply creation of something imperfect.

I offer this ‘alternative’ if you will - we’re all here to learn constantly throughout our lives so that we can reach our own conclusion as to the meaning of God (and by proxy - life).

I’m certainly not saying that Islam is wrong, far from it. I think all religions end up at the same finish line, they just take different (yet equal) paths to get there.

Just because I’m not Christian/Muslim/Jewish I suddenly don’t believe in God?

Hmm…

EDIT: Also, you’ve contradicted yourself several times there. I’ve shown where.

[will_to_power]

[quote]dyskee wrote:
3)shari’a wasn’t twisted by people but we don’t rule by it anymore only saudi arabia does , thats why we are cursed because we abandoned god’s law and seeked man made law ie: constitution.
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I’m sorry but this is the worst defence of anything, ever. Saudi Arabia is probably the second worst nation of the Arab world.

[orion]

So if I get this right a bond is very un-islamic but zero bonds please Allah?

Why does God hate financial markets?

Anyway, all Arab nations combined have the GDP of Spain, so I think I´ll stick with the man made economic system as imperfect and unholy as they may be.

[will_to_power]

[quote]Chushin wrote:
will to power wrote:
dyskee wrote:
3)shari’a wasn’t twisted by people but we don’t rule by it anymore only saudi arabia does , thats why we are cursed because we abandoned god’s law and seeked man made law ie: constitution.

I’m sorry but this is the worst defence of anything, ever. Saudi Arabia is probably the second worst nation of the Arab world.

And the first would be?
[/quote]

I’d nominate Sudan.

[will_to_power]

[quote]Chushin wrote:
I’m not so sure of how representative our newest member’s thoughts are of mainstream Islam, but, assuming they are reasonably accurate, non-Muslim’s concerns with the religion seem quite understandable (and reasonable).

Judging from the content of what he has written throughout this thread, we in the West are living misguided lives (which assumedly should be “corrected” in line with a religious orientation).

And, of course, we are out to “get” Islam.

There seems reasonable doubt that the constant denials and more “enlightened” interpretations of Islam that we see on this forum are representative of what most Muslims believe. [/quote]

Keep in mind that dyskee is a high school student, whereas the moderate point of views come from adults and their experience. I’ve found high school students to be a poor representation of the tolerance of any country I’ve lived in.

[dyskee]

makavali u first:

look shari’a is perfect because its made according to the quaran which cannot be wrong.

i have a question for u to be able to answer urs, how can u be ahindu and belive in god?

as for the contradictions i still insist that shari’a is the best ruling system then u’ll find that i said that the ottman state was perfect ok i was wrong with this one because it still had some corruption.

will to power:

i wasn’t implying that saudi arabia is one of the best nations here but i was telling him who rules by the shar’ia.

chusin:
i didn’t say that you have to go out and get islam as u said i wash just answering a question.

orion god doesn’t hate financial markets he prohibted ribba or interest and i explained it above, and the arab’s GDP it’s low because they don’t use the islamic system they opted for man made.

as fot will to power again:

thank god i needed someone to tell them to give me a break iam just a kid lol

[orion]

[quote]dyskee wrote:
makavali u first:

look shari’a is perfect because its made according to the quaran which cannot be wrong.

i have a question for u to be able to answer urs, how can u be ahindu and belive in god?

as for the contradictions i still insist that shari’a is the best ruling system then u’ll find that i said that the ottman state was perfect ok i was wrong with this one because it still had some corruption.

will to power:

i wasn’t implying that saudi arabia is one of the best nations here but i was telling him who rules by the shar’ia.

chusin:
i didn’t say that you have to go out and get islam as u said i wash just answering a question.

orion god doesn’t hate financial markets he prohibted ribba or interest and i explained it above, and the arab’s GDP it’s low because they don’t use the islamic system they opted for man made.

as fot will to power again:

thank god i needed someone to tell them to give me a break iam just a kid lol[/quote]

And as I explained, you are either trying to fool your god or he is only against a certain kind of interest.

If you buy a car and pay more for it for the privilege of having it sooner, then my friend, you are paying interest.

And you are even right, the Arab nations are poor because the opted for man made -isms of all sorts instead of free markets that emerge wherever people coexist peacefully.

Not that your argument holds any water when it comes to man made economics vs god made economics, because Europe does not follow Allahs economic will at all and is still an economic powerhouse compared to the Arab nations.

Plus, they are cursed with oil.

[dyskee]

look orion iam not a banker and i can’t really argue in this point but if u give me time i could ask and tell you.

as for the example i just put it there to give u an idea of how its done.

[pat]

[quote]dyskee wrote:
makavali u first:

look shari’a is perfect because its made according to the quaran which cannot be wrong.

i have a question for u to be able to answer urs, how can u be ahindu and belive in god?

as for the contradictions i still insist that shari’a is the best ruling system then u’ll find that i said that the ottman state was perfect ok i was wrong with this one because it still had some corruption.

will to power:

i wasn’t implying that saudi arabia is one of the best nations here but i was telling him who rules by the shar’ia.

chusin:
i didn’t say that you have to go out and get islam as u said i wash just answering a question.

orion god doesn’t hate financial markets he prohibted ribba or interest and i explained it above, and the arab’s GDP it’s low because they don’t use the islamic system they opted for man made.

as fot will to power again:

thank god i needed someone to tell them to give me a break iam just a kid lol[/quote]

If “shari’a” is right, I am happy to be wrong. However, next time I need refinance, I am going to an islamic bank…No interest Wooohooo!

[pat]

[quote]lixy wrote:
dyskee wrote:
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For a high school kid, you sure have some strong opinions. Anyway, glad to see that you’re taking a second to format your posts.

I disagree with the idea that Muslims have made “a strong come back”. The community (if we can even speak of it in these terms) has never been more divided and corrupted. Unless power is taken away from the tyrants who rule most majority-Muslim countries, the situation will not improve.

And the idea that there are “wars of civilizations” going on is preposterous. There are wars of interests, where the strong pillages and takes the spoils, periods. To see anything else is very naive and would demand distorting reality.

As for the Anti-Christ, HeadHunter believes it’s Obama, so it must true. I mean, he’s not black, nor white, he’s devilishly handsome, smooth talker, a commie and he refuses to wear patriotic pins. It has to be him.[/quote]

Hey, we agree on something for a change!!! Nice post.

[pat]

[quote]dyskee wrote:
thnx lixy.

belive individual muslims have mad a comeback however they need to be united so that we can see the difference.

and i can see where your going with the war of interests , every body wants petrol and we have alot and we are weak because we are corrupted and we are not ruling by god’s laws thus powerful nations are smacking us on the head.

lastly i don’t belive obama is the antichrists because we have some proficies that are yet to be fullfilled before the day of judgement i can post them if u want .[/quote]

Sorry pal. It is my observation that islam is in trouble in it’s current state. There are deep divisions within, and a hell of a lot of evil produced by practitioners of islam in the name of islam without. To boot, there is a fair number of muslims who support the evil actions of those who propagate evil in the name of islam. Muslims at large need to grab the reigns and real this radical element in, because they not only target and destroy “the west”, but muslims are also very much the victims as well.

Numbers tend to mean little when a religion is mandated and forced on people as it is in some mulsim countries.

You and many others may not think this way and that’s fine, but there are plenty who do.

I wish you peace, joy and success in life.

[dyskee]

thank you pat , well we are all revolving around the same point now which simply is that muslims need to unite so that we can see a difference

[lixy]

[quote]dyskee wrote:
thank you pat , well we are all revolving around the same point now which simply is that muslims need to unite so that we can see a difference[/quote]

Don’t hold your breath.

[dyskee]

haha lixy u caught me off guard

why don’t u help me here since ur a muslim too?

[Gkhan]

So, Dyskee, what’s your take on the Taliban and Wahabbi practice of Islam?