About Islam

[MainelyTrucks]

[quote]dyskee wrote:
Chushin wrote:

So, if you were living in the US, you wouldn’t mind paying a special tax for non-Christians?

if it’s the law of the country iam staying in i must abide by it[/quote]

dyskee you are saying that islam is a country? because according to your posts a muslim in America can get protection payments from people in the U.S. if living in a Muslim area. That is different then a countries tax. Now if you were living in America and the law states that you have no right’s to collect a duty “tax” on another human being does your statement of abiding by the law of a country still hold true?

[dyskee]

[quote]MainelyTrucks wrote:

dyskee could you enlighten us on the good thing you are not being recognized for?[/quote]

muslim scientists put the bases of everything ur learning now from medicine to algebra to geography.

I see Mulsims killing cartoonist’s and politicans in the name of Islam.

i answered this already check it.

I see young girls woman hood being cut with broken glass.

if u mean circumsicion of females actually this is not an islamic habit , it’s a habit that was made by the arabs and believe me it’s not only you who misinterpret it i was talking to an egyptian muslim the other day because he thought it was an islamic habbit. so ur not the only one confused.

I see 1000’s 0f Muslim people burning flags because they do not like the religion or beliefs of another people.

the only flags i saw burned was the danish flag and it was to show contempt of that cartoonist and the israeli flag which is because they have been salughtering the palestinians since 1948.

Show me where Muslims have turned radical Muslims in to help cleanse their own religion of hatred. I have not seen it.

i don’t know about it yet.

[quote]I have seen Muslims that try to do the good you speak of have their heads cut off, their bodies beaten by stones or clubs until dead because a Radical Muslim was turned over to the people he attacked with out direct provocation.
I am trying to hear you but I have “seen” alot that goes against what you are saying.[/quote]

can u give an example??

I do remember in the Koran that to lie to the infidel is to bless Muhammad. But to lie to another Muslim is a sin that is answered by death.

give me the verse.

How is it that their are 2500 radical Muslims chanting in the streets throwing rocks, bottles, and shooting AK’s in a town of roughly 2500. But you say that they are a small group of the whole.

where in afghanistan or iraq or where?

Why did a little girl get raped and beaten until her limbs broke from her body because she offered drink to an American that helped rebuild her school.

what little girl can u give me the story?

[quote]Where they the small group of radical Muslims as well. If so why didn’t the “true” Muslims respond by pointing out the so call bad section of their religion for little girl that was only doing what a good natured person would do for someone that was being nice to them.
Dyskee, explain this because I need to know in order to understand what I saw and get past it.[/quote]

[MainelyTrucks]

[quote]dyskee wrote:
look mohamed (pbuh) isn’t the one who laid down the quran.

on the other hand the quran can be traced back to the mouth of mohammed (pbuh) if u care to know how i posted it before read it. quote]

dyskee which is it. Either it is from the mouth of Mohammed or it isn’t.

This looks alot like an answer to my question you earlier avoided " doesn’t the quran say that to LIE to the infidel (a.k.a non believers) is as giving a blessing to Mohammed. But to lie to a Muslim is punishable by death"

So dyskee what is the truth?

[lixy]

[quote]MainelyTrucks wrote:
Sorry Lixy about making assuming that you were Swedish, you would think I would learn after reading btm69 and ProX threads the issue of assuming.

You are assuming we are financially poor. Where else are the poor over weight by more then 50lb’s. Where else do the poor own homes have A/C, dishwashers, washing machines, two cars, and big screen televisions along with Cable or Satellite service a computer and high speed internet. [/quote]

You have got to be shitting me!

You do realize a homeless person can’t “have A/C, dishwashers, washing machines, two cars, and big screen televisions along with Cable or Satellite service a computer and high speed internet”, don’t you?

We are not teaching our people well.

So you want to spend more money on schools? I can see a paradox right there.

They no not of History or of how to budget their money. But we are far from poor.

Wealth is relative. And in the developed world, the US has one of the worst absolute and relative poverty rates.

The $400,000,000.00 (that’s Million with an “M”) is an issue we are trying to deal with.

It is Billion with “B”. And if you want to get into a “short scale vs.
long scale” argument, take it up with Washington.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/financial/fin_single_audit.html

And that’s only the visible part of the iceberg. There are plenty of very serious studies that show how hidden welfare crank the bill even higher.

The Difference Lixy is that the Income tax in Sweden is manidory where here in the U.S. it is Voluntary for over 95% of the American citizens in the U.S.

Awww…c’mon! What is and what you think should be are two very different things.

American citizens in the US are locked up in cages (to borrow Orion’s expression) for refusing to pay the income tax. That does not make it “Voluntary” in my book.

I referenced that in the “Oil Bitch” post when I explained that Alaska is a U.S. Territory which makes the people living there liable for the Income tax as are the people of Puerto Rico. But we are not on that topic.

And since we’re not, let me add that chocolate and watches are not Sweden’s forte. That’ll be Switzerland.

EBT is a very poor excuse for help but it has been prepetrated by the Democrat’s (now Liberals). FDR explained Welfare this way in the late 1940’s (loose Translation) if we give them money for doing nothing they shall never vote us out of power. This was the foundation of the Welfare system. As I have said, it is about power hungry politians. Quick example in 1941 FDR asked the Revenue Service to survey the U.S. citizens to find out how many pay income tax and also how many are suppose to. The result came back in 1943 as 2.9% of the American people where paying their income tax and that 2.9% of the U.S. citizens were obligated to pay income tax. At that time they reworded the income tax laws, note not changed their meaning, to make it harder for a person with out a good education to understand them. In 1954 the survey then showed 35% of American citizens were paying their income tax and that 2.9% otf American citizen’s were obligated to pay them, hence the voluntary compliance rule. Jumping ahead to 1995. 85% of the American citizens are paying income tax some both State and Federal and roughly (no exact number given here) 4.3% of the American Citizens are obligated to pay any income tax. That is power hungry politicans at work. How can this be: 1) dumb down the education and two make it so they cannot understand the rules.

FDR is dead.

The question is, are you going to do anything about it?

[dyskee]

[quote]MainelyTrucks wrote:
dyskee wrote:
Chushin wrote:

So, if you were living in the US, you wouldn’t mind paying a special tax for non-Christians?

if it’s the law of the country iam staying in i must abide by it

dyskee you are saying that islam is a country? because according to your posts a muslim in America can get protection payments from people in the U.S. if living in a Muslim area. That is different then a countries tax. Now if you were living in America and the law states that you have no right’s to collect a duty “tax” on another human being does your statement of abiding by the law of a country still hold true?[/quote]

islam is a religion, but back then in the times of mohamed (pbuh) there was an islamic state and it was a country.

not in modern times mainely trucks try and use ur imagination please.

yes try to understand the concept of “jiziah”

[dyskee]

[quote]MainelyTrucks wrote:

dyskee which is it. Either it is from the mouth of Mohammed or it isn’t.

This looks alot like an answer to my question you earlier avoided " doesn’t the quran say that to LIE to the infidel (a.k.a non believers) is as giving a blessing to Mohammed. But to lie to a Muslim is punishable by death"

So dyskee what is the truth?[/quote]

it is from the mouth of mohamed (pbuh) but mohamed was a messenger not god.

i didn’t avoid it i told u to give me the verse stating this, because u can highly misinterpret the meaning behind it i myslef sometimes misinterpret stuff in the koran that i have to go and ask about alot.

[Gkhan]

[quote]dyskee wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
dyskee wrote:
iam not really sure but basically we won’t be the ones to start a war unless we are attacked threatned , killed , u get my point right?

Or spin everything so it appears you are “attacked, threatened, killed” ect, like Muslims are doing today to justify terrorism against anyone and everyone.

who talked about spinning look gkhan u must try to differentiate between me (a normal muslim) and between al qua’eda (extremists)[/quote]

Hey, I didn’t mean to offend you. Sorry if I did. Lixy seems to have taken more offense for what ever reason.

But…do you agree that extremists WOULD use that kind of logic to justify attacks?

[MainelyTrucks]

[quote]dyskee wrote:
MainelyTrucks wrote:

dyskee could you enlighten us on the good thing you are not being recognized for?

muslim scientists put the bases of everything ur learning now from medicine to algebra to geography. [/quote]

Not true dyskee, Basis of Algebra came from the Greeks, Geography from the Greeks or Chinese, and Medicine from as far back as the Cave man, but the Greeks are written as the first.

[quote]dyskee wrote:
I see 1000’s 0f Muslim people burning flags because they do not like the religion or beliefs of another people.

the only flags i saw burned was the danish flag and it was to show contempt of that cartoonist and the israeli flag which is because they have been salughtering the palestinians since 1948. [/quote]

You have never seen an American, British, or any other flag burned by Musilms?

[quote]dyskee wrote:
Show me where Muslims have turned radical Muslims in to help cleanse their own religion of hatred. I have not seen it.

i don’t know about it yet.

I have seen Muslims that try to do the good you speak of have their heads cut off, their bodies beaten by stones or clubs until dead because a Radical Muslim was turned over to the people he attacked with out direct provocation.
I am trying to hear you but I have “seen” alot that goes against what you are saying.

can u give an example?? [/quote]

In Iraq a car bomb was set off that killed @25 Muslim shoppers. We question people to help stop this killing of one tribe of Muslims by another and we were told were the perpetrators were by two muslims, their family members were part of the carnage. Two days after picking up the people involved with the Car bomb those two Muslims were found dead. they were beaten to death. That is the only example you need.

[quote]dyskee wrote:
MainelyTrucks wrote:
I do remember in the Koran that to lie to the infidel is to bless Muhammad. But to lie to another Muslim is a sin that is answered by death.

give me the verse. [/quote]

I will go back to the copy of the Koran and retrieve it for you. But, I thought you knew the Koran.

[quote]dyskee wrote:
MainelyTrucks wrote:
How is it that their are 2500 radical Muslims chanting in the streets throwing rocks, bottles, and shooting AK’s in a town of roughly 2500. But you say that they are a small group of the whole.

where in afghanistan or iraq or where? [/quote]

Iraq

[quote]dyskee wrote:
MainelyTrucks wrote:

Why did a little girl get raped and beaten until her limbs broke from her body because she offered drink to an American that helped rebuild her school.

what little girl can u give me the story? [/quote]

I’m tried of your game, that is the story. Unless you were there. Were you? I would love to find the group of muslims that killed this poor little girl.

You are touting how good and gently Muslims are. Tell me where in the Koran they can do this to a little girl and feel as though it is Mohammed’s will.

[Gkhan]

[quote]dyskee wrote:
on the other hand the quran can be traced back to the mouth of mohammed (pbuh) if u care to know how i posted it before read it[/quote]

I do not know what false prophets you are talking about. The Christians believe there were no prophets after Christ. The Muslims believe Muhammad was the final prophet.

Is there a quote from the Koran which says the Jewish and Christian texts have been altered? If so, what is it?

How could there have been a Christian religion if the core elements of this religion were allegedly altered? And altered in what way, by who? and when?

[Gkhan]

[quote]dyskee wrote:
look mohamed (pbuh) isn’t the one who laid down the quran.

they are free to do what they want, muslims never push islam on anyone if u want to go into islam ok if you don’t want to go into islam it’s also okay just don’t go saying that islam is rubbish and that mohamaed (pbuh) is aliar or spit on the quran and expect a pat on the back.[/quote]

If this is addressed to me, I never did that. But you have said that our religion is false, if this is addressed to me, do not expect a pat on the back in return.

[lixy]

[quote]MainelyTrucks wrote:
I see Mulsims killing cartoonist’s and politicans in the name of Islam. [/quote]

So? I see Christians bombing clinics in the name of Christianity. I see Jews killing kids in the name of Zionism.

I see young girls woman hood being cut with broken glass.

And I see babies put in microwaves, daughters locked up and abused by their father.

I see 1000’s 0f Muslim people burning flags because they do not like the religion or beliefs of another people.

And I see Americans doing the same. From the American to the French flag.

And I see French people burning the Chinese flag.

And I see Spaniards burn the Moroccan flag.

Show me where Muslims have turned radical Muslims in to help cleanse their own religion of hatred. I have not seen it.

Seen where? On CNN or Fox? Go spend some time in a majority-Muslim country (NOT in boots and M-16s!), speak to the people and you’ll see for yourself. Sitting on your ass expecting information will reach you is retarded.

There was a man strapping explosives who wanted to blow up the American consulate in Casablanca last year. As soon as people realized what his intentions were, a crowd formed and he was beat unconscious before he knew what hit him.

That’s one example I heard a first-hand account of.

I have seen Muslims that try to do the good you speak of have their heads cut off, their bodies beaten by stones or clubs until dead because a Radical Muslim was turned over to the people he attacked with out direct provocation.

Where?

I do remember in the Koran that to lie to the infidel is to bless Muhammad. But to lie to another Muslim is a sin that is answered by death.

This crap has got to stop, NOW!

There is no such thing in the Quran. Stop making stuff up.

How is it that their are 2500 radical Muslims chanting in the streets throwing rocks, bottles, and shooting AK’s in a town of roughly 2500. But you say that they are a small group of the whole.

Who knows why people do what they do? But if you don’t provide context, it’ll be hard for anyone to answer that.

How is it that “their are” (that’s MainelyTrucks-ian for there were) Americans “chanting in the streets throwing rocks, bottles” in Los Angeles? How is it that 60 people died and 2,000 were injured?

Why did a little girl get raped and beaten until her limbs broke from her body because she offered drink to an American that helped rebuild her school.

If you’re going to make up fictional stories, at least make them appear credible.

I call BS.

Where they the small group of radical Muslims as well.

Interrogation marks help. Don’t be afraid of them.

As to “where they the small group of radical Muslims”, I’ll ask “where they” what? Where they sleep? Where they eat? Where they lift iron?

Dyskee, explain this because I need to know in order to understand what I saw and get past it.

You claim to have “seen” a lot a of things. Most of which are extremely disturbing (e.g: people converted at bayonet-point) or downright surreal (beaten until her limbs broke from her body) You also seem to misremember a lot of what little Quran you allegedly read.

I, for one, have difficulty getting past that.

[MainelyTrucks]

[quote]lixy wrote:
MainelyTrucks wrote:
Sorry Lixy about making assuming that you were Swedish, you would think I would learn after reading btm69 and ProX threads the issue of assuming.

You are assuming we are financially poor. Where else are the poor over weight by more then 50lb’s. Where else do the poor own homes have A/C, dishwashers, washing machines, two cars, and big screen televisions along with Cable or Satellite service a computer and high speed internet.

You have got to be shitting me!

You do realize a homeless person can’t “have A/C, dishwashers, washing machines, two cars, and big screen televisions along with Cable or Satellite service a computer and high speed internet”, don’t you?[/quote]

Give me a break!
300 Million People and how many are homeless?
Let me ask you how many are homeless in China or North Korea, how about Africa. All as a percent of Population.

[quote]lixy wrote:
So you want to spend more money on schools? I can see a paradox right there. [/quote]

I never said that, look who’s assuming now.

[quote]lixy wrote:
They no not of History or of how to budget their money. But we are far from poor.

Wealth is relative. And in the developed world, the US has one of the worst absolute and relative poverty rates.

The $400,000,000.00 (that’s Million with an “M”) is an issue we are trying to deal with.

It is Billion with “B”. And if you want to get into a “short scale vs.
long scale” argument, take it up with Washington.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/financial/fin_single_audit.html

And that’s only the visible part of the iceberg. There are plenty of very serious studies that show how hidden welfare crank the bill even higher. [/quote]
I wish I had the time to educate you in the way the government of the U.S. runs but a las I do not. The money you speak of is interset payments on loans that the world bank set up with FDR that shall only have interest paid towards. Stupid yes but I wasn’t there.

[quote]lixy wrote:
The Difference Lixy is that the Income tax in Sweden is manidory where here in the U.S. it is Voluntary for over 95% of the American citizens in the U.S.

Awww…c’mon! What is and what you think should be are two very different things.

American citizens in the US are locked up in cages (to borrow Orion’s expression) for refusing to pay the income tax. That does not make it “Voluntary” in my book. [/quote]

You don’t understand law here obivously and I don’t have time to in depth at this time. But I am a non-taxpayer I have been before going into the Marines, I was a taxpayer while in the Marines. I am again a Non-taxpayer.

[quote]lixy wrote:
EBT is a very poor excuse for help but it has been prepetrated by the Democrat’s (now Liberals). FDR explained Welfare this way in the late 1940’s (loose Translation) if we give them money for doing nothing they shall never vote us out of power. This was the foundation of the Welfare system. As I have said, it is about power hungry politians. Quick example in 1941 FDR asked the Revenue Service to survey the U.S. citizens to find out how many pay income tax and also how many are suppose to. The result came back in 1943 as 2.9% of the American people where paying their income tax and that 2.9% of the U.S. citizens were obligated to pay income tax. At that time they reworded the income tax laws, note not changed their meaning, to make it harder for a person with out a good education to understand them. In 1954 the survey then showed 35% of American citizens were paying their income tax and that 2.9% otf American citizen’s were obligated to pay them, hence the voluntary compliance rule. Jumping ahead to 1995. 85% of the American citizens are paying income tax some both State and Federal and roughly (no exact number given here) 4.3% of the American Citizens are obligated to pay any income tax. That is power hungry politicans at work. How can this be: 1) dumb down the education and two make it so they cannot understand the rules.

FDR is dead.
[/quote]

Really I didn’t know that . . . huh. I know that, but with any corrupt political party what is working for them is kept on and as Orville and Wilbur Wright are credited with the first true flying machine FDR is credited with the Welfare system.

[MainelyTrucks]

[quote]lixy wrote:
MainelyTrucks wrote:
Why did a little girl get raped and beaten until her limbs broke from her body because she offered drink to an American that helped rebuild her school.

If you’re going to make up fictional stories, at least make them appear credible.

I call BS. [/quote]
I was there. You can try to sweep it under the prayer rug so that others may not know the truth but many of us know and we will continue to speak.
I call you a B.S. artist and if you think your denal of it makes it go away you are way wrong.

[quote]lixy wrote:
Where they the small group of radical Muslims as well.

Interrogation marks help. Don’t be afraid of them.

As to “where they the small group of radical Muslims”, I’ll ask “where they” what? Where they sleep? Where they eat? Where they lift iron? [/quote]

All you have is my grammar to fight with now. Your right I was/ am upset about what I have been through. That could make me misuse grammar. . . “oh well”

[quote]lixy wrote:
MainelyTrucks wrote:
Dyskee, explain this because I need to know in order to understand what I saw and get past it.

You claim to have “seen” a lot a of things. Most of which are extremely disturbing (e.g: people converted at bayonet-point) or downright surreal (beaten until her limbs broke from her body) You also seem to misremember a lot of what little Quran you allegedly read.

I, for one, have difficulty getting past that. [/quote]

I never said bayonet point that is your way of spinning it. How often have you been in Battle. How many times have you stood to protect the weak, not your words but your body. Don’t try to understand what you have never experienced.

[MainelyTrucks]

I have to go for now. But know I shall be back

[Neuromancer]

I also have difficulty believing you. There are many active and retired US armed forces personnel that post on here,and you don’t come across as being remotely in their league.

I may be wrong,but i doubt it.

[lixy]

[quote]MainelyTrucks wrote:
dyskee wrote:
MainelyTrucks wrote:

dyskee could you enlighten us on the good thing you are not being recognized for?

muslim scientists put the bases of everything ur learning now from medicine to algebra to geography.

Not true dyskee, Basis of Algebra came from the Greeks, Geography from the Greeks or Chinese, and Medicine from as far back as the Cave man, but the Greeks are written as the first. [/quote]

Muslims (if one can get past comparing a religion to a nationality), on the other hand, have only brought ignorance and destruction.

[quote]dyskee wrote:
I see 1000’s 0f Muslim people burning flags because they do not like the religion or beliefs of another people.

the only flags i saw burned was the danish flag and it was to show contempt of that cartoonist and the israeli flag which is because they have been salughtering the palestinians since 1948.

You have never seen an American, British, or any other flag burned by Musilms? [/quote]

So what? I’ve also seen Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Taoists, agnostics or atheists burn them.

[quote]dyskee wrote:
Show me where Muslims have turned radical Muslims in to help cleanse their own religion of hatred. I have not seen it.

i don’t know about it yet.

I have seen Muslims that try to do the good you speak of have their heads cut off, their bodies beaten by stones or clubs until dead because a Radical Muslim was turned over to the people he attacked with out direct provocation.
I am trying to hear you but I have “seen” alot that goes against what you are saying.

can u give an example??

In Iraq a car bomb was set off that killed @25 Muslim shoppers. We question people to help stop this killing of one tribe of Muslims by another and we were told were the perpetrators were by two muslims, their family members were part of the carnage. Two days after picking up the people involved with the Car bomb those two Muslims were found dead. they were beaten to death. That is the only example you need. [/quote]

And you figured that Islam was to blame how exactly?

The mind boggles.

[quote]dyskee wrote:
MainelyTrucks wrote:
I do remember in the Koran that to lie to the infidel is to bless Muhammad. But to lie to another Muslim is a sin that is answered by death.

give me the verse.

I will go back to the copy of the Koran and retrieve it for you. But, I thought you knew the Koran. [/quote]

I don’t know all of it by heart, but I’ve read it enough times and carefully enough to know that no such verse exists.

[quote]dyskee wrote:
MainelyTrucks wrote:
How is it that their are 2500 radical Muslims chanting in the streets throwing rocks, bottles, and shooting AK’s in a town of roughly 2500. But you say that they are a small group of the whole.

where in afghanistan or iraq or where?

Iraq [/quote]

If I was Iraqi, I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that I’ll be shooting AKs as well.

And I’m pretty sure that you’ll do the same if your country was invaded and foreign bases were set on it.

[quote]dyskee wrote:
MainelyTrucks wrote:

Why did a little girl get raped and beaten until her limbs broke from her body because she offered drink to an American that helped rebuild her school.

what little girl can u give me the story?

I’m tried of your game, that is the story. Unless you were there. Were you? [/quote]

Look, if you say you were there, then it’s good enough for me. But you have to admit that it’s a most shocking story, and that at least the sensationalist press would have relayed it. In fact, it easily qualifies for a Wiki entry. Can you please cite the village, approximate date or something so I can run a search?

I would love to find the group of muslims that killed this poor little girl.

Ditto.

You are touting how good and gently Muslims are.

I don’t know about you, but I believe people are good in general. Muslims being nothing but a statistically very significant subset of that group, the same applies. There’s always the ones that severely deviate from the median, and it’s particularly pronounced in this subset because of the recent (some would say ongoing) colonization history of the countries where Islam is mostly represented.

I would say that starting this thread was pretty stupid of Dyskee, as I suspect the purpose was to show how superior and grand his interpretation of Islam is. It doesn’t take a brain surgeon to realize that it would turn out to be an Islamophobe honeypot.

Tell me where in the Koran they can do this to a little girl and feel as though it is Mohammed’s will.

You can’t possibly be thinking that any ideology that condones such horror would survive for 15 centuries, much less attract followers in the billions?

Common sense, people. Common sense.

[lixy]

[quote]MainelyTrucks wrote:
300 Million People and how many are homeless? [/quote]

It’s hard to tell for obvious reasons. But the figures most often quoted fluctuate between 1.5 and 3.5 millions. Which is quite significant considering you wanted you paint the picture of a “poor” owning a home with A/C, washing machines, big screen TV and all the rest.

Let me ask you how many are homeless in China or North Korea, how about Africa. All as a percent of Population.

It’s not a fair comparison. One should take into consideration density, GDP and other factors. As for Africa, it was colonized a few decades ago. So come back in 350 years and we can compare.

It goes without saying that if I were to chose between being poor in the US or North Korea, I’ll pick the US. But trying to portray Americans as having A/C and big screen TV is disingenuous. And that was the point I was making.

[quote]lixy wrote:
So you want to spend more money on schools? I can see a paradox right there.

I never said that, look who’s assuming now. [/quote]

You wrote: “We are not teaching our people well.”

If you think that can be achieved any other way, then I’m all ears.

[quote]lixy wrote:
They no not of History or of how to budget their money. But we are far from poor.

Wealth is relative. And in the developed world, the US has one of the worst absolute and relative poverty rates.

The $400,000,000.00 (that’s Million with an “M”) is an issue we are trying to deal with.

It is Billion with “B”. And if you want to get into a “short scale vs.
long scale” argument, take it up with Washington.

http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/financial/fin_single_audit.html

And that’s only the visible part of the iceberg. There are plenty of very serious studies that show how hidden welfare crank the bill even higher.
I wish I had the time to educate you in the way the government of the U.S. runs but a las I do not. The money you speak of is interset payments on loans that the world bank set up with FDR that shall only have interest paid towards. Stupid yes but I wasn’t there. [/quote]

Indeed, I wish you did. Because for the life of me I can’t figure out how $400 billions and millions can be confused.

[quote]lixy wrote:
The Difference Lixy is that the Income tax in Sweden is manidory where here in the U.S. it is Voluntary for over 95% of the American citizens in the U.S.

Awww…c’mon! What is and what you think should be are two very different things.

American citizens in the US are locked up in cages (to borrow Orion’s expression) for refusing to pay the income tax. That does not make it “Voluntary” in my book.

You don’t understand law here obivously and I don’t have time to in depth at this time. But I am a non-taxpayer I have been before going into the Marines, I was a taxpayer while in the Marines. I am again a Non-taxpayer. [/quote]

I’m sure there are many compatriots of yours who would like to hear how you’re pulling it off.

And yes, I know almost nothing about US legislation. Just what I read here and there.

[quote]FDR is dead.

Really I didn’t know that . . . huh. I know that, but with any corrupt political party what is working for them is kept on and as Orville and Wilbur Wright are credited with the first true flying machine FDR is credited with the Welfare system.[/quote]

My point was that I do not see many presidents who seriously departed from that policy. And Ron Paul chances are looking bleaker by the day.

[lixy]

[quote]MainelyTrucks wrote:
lixy wrote:
MainelyTrucks wrote:
Why did a little girl get raped and beaten until her limbs broke from her body because she offered drink to an American that helped rebuild her school.

If you’re going to make up fictional stories, at least make them appear credible.

I call BS.
I was there. You can try to sweep it under the prayer rug so that others may not know the truth but many of us know and we will continue to speak.
I call you a B.S. artist and if you think your denal of it makes it go away you are way wrong. [/quote]

If you say you were there, then I can believe you. And of course you should be speaking up. But do help us acquire more knowledge about the circumstances to ward off the initial natural response of considering it a hoax.

There must have been a reporter who covered it somewhere. I just can’t find anything. Help!

[quote]lixy wrote:
Where they the small group of radical Muslims as well.

Interrogation marks help. Don’t be afraid of them.

As to “where they the small group of radical Muslims”, I’ll ask “where they” what? Where they sleep? Where they eat? Where they lift iron?

All you have is my grammar to fight with now. Your right I was/ am upset about what I have been through. That could make me misuse grammar. . . “oh well” [/quote]

I’m not nitpicking here. I cringe when people write posts like teenagers write text messages, but as long as it’s decipherable, I don’t peep a word.

That phrase, on the other hand, is very hard to understand. And yes, I tried looking up in the commont errors list.

http://www.wsu.edu/~brians/errors/errors.html

[quote]lixy wrote:
MainelyTrucks wrote:
Dyskee, explain this because I need to know in order to understand what I saw and get past it.

You claim to have “seen” a lot a of things. Most of which are extremely disturbing (e.g: people converted at bayonet-point) or downright surreal (beaten until her limbs broke from her body) You also seem to misremember a lot of what little Quran you allegedly read.

I, for one, have difficulty getting past that.

I never said bayonet point that is your way of spinning it. [/quote]

I asked: “Do you know anyone who has been converted by force? Anyone that was killed because he/she refused to convert?” and you answered with the affirmative. So calling force bayonet-point is hardly spin. Especially not when you know people that were killed because they refused to convert.

How often have you been in Battle.

If by battle, you mean part of a military organization or militia fighting a war, then never. It may be a convincing argument to throw at the face of somebody who worships the flag or a nationalist, but me, I don’t give two shits about any of that. I’m a humanist. Fsck flags, borders, money, races, religions, sexes, natural resources or anything that might put a human being in harm’s way!

How is that of any relevance to what we’re talking about?

How many times have you stood to protect the weak, not your words but your body.

A few times actually. And I had the bruises to show for it.

Don’t try to understand what you have never experienced.

Again, how is any of that relevant? Unlike Schwarzenfahrer (did I spell that right?), I never aimed to understand what drives people to enroll themselves in an institution where they’re blindly following orders (to kill human being!) from the hierarchy.

All I asked for, are details about those acquaintances of yours that got killed because they refused to convert to a religion.

[Gkhan]

[quote]lixy wrote:
MainelyTrucks wrote:
I see Mulsims killing cartoonist’s and politicans in the name of Islam.

So? I see Christians bombing clinics in the name of Christianity. [/quote]

But the abortion bomber is a criminal and is treated as such. You do not see swarms of Christians selling shirts with the bomber’s image, nor do you see Christians naming their children after the bomber.

http://cache.viewimages.com/xc/1171841.jpg?v=1&c=ViewImages&k=2&d=17A4AD9FDB9CF1939057D9939C83F106EED2048A9718C50F5A5397277B4DC33E

[ovalpline]

I didn’t realize this thread was still going.

Anyway, I want to corroborate what lixy is saying about at least one of you “misremembering” verses from the Qur’an. Some of you are conflating foreign policy with religious teaching. That said, it is a fine line…

As to dyskee: man, you need to cut your losses and stop posting. It’s not that you’re a bad guy or anything, but your youth shows and your contributions reflect more bias than perspective.