[quote]lixy wrote:
It’s a journal where Shaw is quoted from his meetings with Islamic scholars in Ceylon.
I have no idea where you can fetch a copy, but try your library. The journal was published by an association called All-Malaya, which still operates if I’m not mistaken.[/quote]
thnx lixy i’ll try to trace it
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
dyskee wrote:
iam not really sure but basically we won’t be the ones to start a war unless we are attacked threatned , killed , u get my point right?
Or spin everything so it appears you are “attacked, threatened, killed” ect, like Muslims are doing today to justify terrorism against anyone and everyone.[/quote]
who talked about spinning look gkhan u must try to differentiate between me (a normal muslim) and between al qua’eda (extremists)
[quote]lixy wrote:
First of all, I am not a Swede. And I am not a socialist. Finally, I have no sympathy for Obama whatsoever.
What is bugging me, isn’t the fact that Obama is attacked. I couldn’t care less. It’s the silly “Is he black?”, “Is he black enough?”, “Is he white?”, “Is he a white supremacist?”, “Is he anti-American?”, “Is he too smart?”, “Is he too pretty?”, “Is his third-cousin’s college buddy’s girlfriend a communist?” that riles me up. If you want to attack the man, do so as a man and deconstruct his arguments. But all this “Hillary can’t operate a coffee-machine” and “McCain was not born in the US” is absolutely and utterly ridiculous. It has got to stop![/quote]
Your post explains you to be from Sweden does it not? just as an African American, an Irish American, or an African Swede you are were you call home.
Side Bar:
the proper term for a person born in a country but has ties to another would be I.E. American of African decent. (not that you said anything different)
The reason O’bama is talked about as to white, not black enough, or malano is to stir up racism. The NAACP calls him not Black enough, the KKK calls him Black. O’bama trys to say he was down with the struggle all to try to get votes without actually earning them.
Lixy it is sad that people try these small minded way’s to gain power or to hold their power. But humans are inheritably lazy. So they try to trick the un-educated by using idea’s placed in their minds as answers to why they are what they are.
Lixy are you telling me Sweden isn’t Socialist? A country that takes from the working people’s share of their wealth (that makes it nearly impossible to better ones standing) to give to the non-working people. Are you saying that?
Just checking. . .
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
dyskee wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
If Muslims believe that Christ was a Prophet, why did they forsake his teaching?
we didn’t forsake his teachings we only acknowledge those that confirm what the koran says.
Then why would the Koran say it is ok to stone someone to death when Jesus forbid it? [/quote]
why does any muslim do anything without evidence from the quran? misguidance
[quote]lixy wrote:
Can this question be any more loaded, Mr. OpenMinded?
Do you know anyone who has been converted by force? Anyone that was killed because he/she refused to convert?[/quote]
Yes
My questions are not close minded lixy they are from reading the Koran (quran). If it is in the book and you don’t understand it should you not ask about it?
[quote]MainelyTrucks wrote:
Your post explains you to be from Sweden does it not? just as an African American, an Irish American, or an African Swede you are were you call home.
Side Bar:
the proper term for a person born in a country but has ties to another would be I.E. American of African decent. (not that you said anything different) [/quote]
It helps if you ask questions instead of making assumptions.
[quote]The reason O’bama is talked about as to white, not black enough, or malano is to stir up racism. The NAACP calls him not Black enough, the KKK calls him Black. O’bama trys to say he was down with the struggle all to try to get votes without actually earning them.
Lixy it is sad that people try these small minded way’s to gain power or to hold their power. But humans are inheritably lazy. So they try to trick the un-educated by using idea’s placed in their minds as answers to why they are what they are. [/quote]
Agreed. And the post of mine you quoted was intended to poke fun at HH for starting many threads doing just that. There’s even an “Is Obama the anti-Christ” thread by him.
[quote]Lixy are you telling me Sweden isn’t Socialist? A country that takes from the working people’s share of their wealth (that makes it nearly impossible to better ones standing) to give to the non-working people. Are you saying that?
Just checking. . . [/quote]
By any standard, Sweden is a socialist country. The question is, why do an allegedly open-minded individual such as yourself assume I am a socialist just because I happen to reside here.
And since you’re bringing up “the country that takes from the working people’s share of their wealth”, how about the $400 billion dollars the US federal government spends annually on assistance services? How about the Department of Housing and Urban Development? The Department of Health and Human Services? How about the money YOU give to people popping up kids? How about the food stamp program? How about the schools YOU finance?
Heck, YOU are not only financing poor people in your country, but are doing so around the world. And often times, at gunpoint!
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
ignore me if you want. Explain the stoning videos I have seen on line.
-edit: and nice how talking about killing Jews does not piss you off, but questioning video I have seen on line of people being stoned to death does because it puts Muslims in a bad light. WTF? I did not make the video, nor did I make those people pick up the rocks and kill a person or two, and I would like their actions explained since we are talking about Muslims here. Is that too much to ask?[/quote]
you know why we are pissed off because when a muslim does a good thing he isn’t acknowledged but when a muslim does a bad thing he’s caught on tape muslims are called terrorists and blah blah blah.
the solution for this is to ignore these people it’s just like if u were a kid in kindergarten and there is this class bully harrasing you if u keep telling him stop he won’t on the other hand if u simply ignore him he shuts up stop acknowledging the terrorists and the will shut up .
[quote]MainelyTrucks wrote:
lixy wrote:
Can this question be any more loaded, Mr. OpenMinded?
Do you know anyone who has been converted by force? Anyone that was killed because he/she refused to convert?
Yes[/quote]
I’m intrigued. Care to relate the story?
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
I did not say that he was speaking for Al-Qaeda. You did.
-edit, I have built my statement, not my life, on what you have been saying in many, many posts, which justifies war once Muslims have percieved that they are attacked or threatened.
So what exactly is the fallacy here? [/quote]
ok look gkhan i don’t know where u read that but i clearly mentioned that unless some one is going to raid on muslims we won’t attack anyone.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
My my, how outstanding.
You know, you may be the most pious Muslim on the face of the Earth for all I know, but it is increasingly clear that you are not a very good human being.
Indeed, the word “obnoxious” fits you to a “T” (and that’s NOT for “testosterone”). Running a close second would be “intolerant,” “know-it-all,” and just plain old “rude.”
Dyskee, please don’t take this clown’s comments personally. He can’t even muster the tolerance to talk in a civil way to you, a young, fellow Muslim who is doing his best to understand Islam and explain it to non-Muslims.
His attitude has little to do with you; it’s just who he is.
Hey Lixy, what good does all your religious “knowledge” do you if you can’t even allow for some humanity in your interpersonal interactions?[/quote]
thank you chusin u certainly got what iam trying to do and i hope others here get it like u , ok i admit that lixy is intolerant and he himself admitted it .
i want to tell u that sometimes i just couldn’t take it and i wanted the mods to close this thread because i just couldn’t take it & i lost my temper but everytime i say to myself calm down calmdown u are just trying to do something valuable so don’t stop it.
a wise man once said " admitting one’s wrong is a virtue"
Sorry Lixy about making assuming that you were Swedish, you would think I would learn after reading btm69 and ProX threads the issue of assuming.
You are assuming we are financially poor. Where else are the poor over weight by more then 50lb’s. Where else do the poor own homes have A/C, dishwashers, washing machines, two cars, and big screen televisions along with Cable or Satellite service a computer and high speed internet.
We are not teaching our people well. They no not of History or of how to budget their money. But we are far from poor. The $400,000,000.00 (that’s Million with an “M”) is an issue we are trying to deal with. The Difference Lixy is that the Income tax in Sweden is manidory where here in the U.S. it is Voluntary for over 95% of the American citizens in the U.S. I referenced that in the “Oil Bitch” post when I explained that Alaska is a U.S. Territory which makes the people living there liable for the Income tax as are the people of Puerto Rico. But we are not on that topic. EBT is a very poor excuse for help but it has been prepetrated by the Democrat’s (now Liberals). FDR explained Welfare this way in the late 1940’s (loose Translation) if we give them money for doing nothing they shall never vote us out of power. This was the foundation of the Welfare system. As I have said, it is about power hungry politians. Quick example in 1941 FDR asked the Revenue Service to survey the U.S. citizens to find out how many pay income tax and also how many are suppose to. The result came back in 1943 as 2.9% of the American people where paying their income tax and that 2.9% of the U.S. citizens were obligated to pay income tax. At that time they reworded the income tax laws, note not changed their meaning, to make it harder for a person with out a good education to understand them. In 1954 the survey then showed 35% of American citizens were paying their income tax and that 2.9% otf American citizen’s were obligated to pay them, hence the voluntary compliance rule. Jumping ahead to 1995. 85% of the American citizens are paying income tax some both State and Federal and roughly (no exact number given here) 4.3% of the American Citizens are obligated to pay any income tax. That is power hungry politicans at work. How can this be: 1) dumb down the education and two make it so they cannot understand the rules.
Sorry this is off Topic, but I enjoy your banter.
[quote]MainelyTrucks wrote:
Back on Topic: dyskee I am doubtful of you but I am welling to have open conversation. I dislike close minded people and thus I myself refuse to be one.
dyskee, when a follower of the Koran comes upon a non-believer and has given them three chances to convert (awaken) to Islam but they refuse what does Mohamed say should be done to that non-believer?
Why is the Sword used in the carrying out of this scripture?[/quote]
all people that don’t wish to convert to islam can live in muslim lands with muslims and be protected by the muslims but they have to pay the “jiziah”. but if they attack the muslims or help anyone attack the muslims then they would be attacked.
bism illah alrahman alraheem:
“And if anyone of the idolaters seeketh thy protection (O Muhammad), then protect him so that he may hear the Word of Allah, and afterward convey him to his place of safety. That is because they are a folk who know not.”
[quote]lixy wrote:
MainelyTrucks wrote:
lixy wrote:
Can this question be any more loaded, Mr. OpenMinded?
Do you know anyone who has been converted by force? Anyone that was killed because he/she refused to convert?
Yes
I’m intrigued. Care to relate the story?[/quote]
Yes I might relate this personal story but not in this venue and difinitly not right now. . . Sorry
[quote]dyskee wrote:
all people that don’t wish to convert to islam can live in muslim lands with muslims and be protected by the muslims but they have to pay the “jiziah”. but if they attack the muslims or help anyone attack the muslims then they would be attacked.
bism illah alrahman alraheem:
“And if anyone of the idolaters seeketh thy protection (O Muhammad), then protect him so that he may hear the Word of Allah, and afterward convey him to his place of safety. That is because they are a folk who know not.”[/quote]
But dyskee how long are they afforded protection and what is the cost of this protection. Doesn’t Muhammad say that if they do not see the truth they are to be killed by the sword ( sorry it is not exact but I haven’t read the Koran in a while)?
[quote]dyskee wrote:
you know why we are pissed off because when a muslim does a good thing he isn’t acknowledged but when a muslim does a bad thing he’s caught on tape muslims are called terrorists and blah blah blah.
the solution for this is to ignore these people it’s just like if u were a kid in kindergarten and there is this class bully harrasing you if u keep telling him stop he won’t on the other hand if u simply ignore him he shuts up stop acknowledging the terrorists and the will shut up .[/quote]
dyskee could you enlighten us on the good thing you are not being recognized for?
I see Mulsims killing cartoonist’s and politicans in the name of Islam. I see young girls woman hood being cut with broken glass. I see 1000’s 0f Muslim people burning flags because they do not like the religion or beliefs of another people.
Show me where Muslims have turned radical Muslims in to help cleanse their own religion of hatred. I have not seen it.
I have seen Muslims that try to do the good you speak of have their heads cut off, their bodies beaten by stones or clubs until dead because a Radical Muslim was turned over to the people he attacked with out direct provocation.
I am trying to hear you but I have “seen” alot that goes against what you are saying.
I do remember in the Koran that to lie to the infidel is to bless Muhammad. But to lie to another Muslim is a sin that is answered by death.
How is it that their are 2500 radical Muslims chanting in the streets throwing rocks, bottles, and shooting AK’s in a town of roughly 2500. But you say that they are a small group of the whole.
Why did a little girl get raped and beaten until her limbs broke from her body because she offered drink to an American that helped rebuild her school.
Where they the small group of radical Muslims as well. If so why didn’t the “true” Muslims respond by pointing out the so call bad section of their religion for little girl that was only doing what a good natured person would do for someone that was being nice to them.
Dyskee, explain this because I need to know in order to understand what I saw and get past it.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
I would like to know from a Muslim where it says the Christian and Jewish text have been tampered with or changed. Is it in the Koran? Because if it is not, it is just hearsay as far as I’m concerned. So if it is, how about a quote saying so.
I would also like to know when exactly the texts were changed, who changed them, why they were changed and what was changed exactly.
If the key to Christianity is to believe that Jesus was the Son of God and he died and rose again to wash away the sins of the world, and this was all “added” afterwards, what, exactly did Christianity teach before this was allegedly “added” and what proof do you have that this was changed other than the Koran or hearsay?
Can you quote early Christian teachers who did not believe that Jesus was the Son of God, ect, or were those texts changed as well?
And lastly, if the texts of even the early church leaders were allegedly changed, how could anyone have altered ALL of the documents of the church prior to the 7th Century and no one noticed?[/quote]
For false Christs and false prophets will appear and perform great signs and miracles to deceive even the elect–if that were possible. See, I (Jesus) have told you ahead of time. (Matthew 24:24-25)
Do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits to see whether they are from God, because many false prophets have gone out into the world (1 John 4:1)
For Satan himself masquerades as an angel of light (1 Corinthians 11:14)
You should test false Prophets, first and foremost, by making sure you’re not following one yourself in believing what you have been told about Jesus (pbuh).
1.) Jesus warns you not to follow false Prophets
2.) False Prophets infiltrate Jesus’ teachings and lie about what he taught
3.) People accept these lies and include them into Christianity, but they warn about “false Prophets” at the same time
4.) People accept falsehood as Truth, so that when Truth actually comes, they call IT “false” and call anyone returning them to Jesus’ true teachings as false Prophets when in fact the false Prophets have already infiltrated their teachings.
5.) Christians are locked in this Satanic trap because they haven’t followed their own advice. They haven’t researched where they get their knowledge of Jesus from so the work of the false Prophets is already complete. They now adhere to false teachings but stay away from the “Truth” because they consider the falsehood as true and the truth as falsehood.
Do you see why I keep emphasizing that you test the false Prophets, namely, WHERE you get your info on the Prophets themeslves? How do you know what Jesus (pbuh) taught you? Why do you lean on the words of men who tell you what Jesus said without a reliable link to him?
on the other hand the quran can be traced back to the mouth of mohammed (pbuh) if u care to know how i posted it before read it
look mohamed (pbuh) isn’t the one who laid down the quran.
they are free to do what they want, muslims never push islam on anyone if u want to go into islam ok if you don’t want to go into islam it’s also okay just don’t go saying that islam is rubbish and that mohamaed (pbuh) is aliar or spit on the quran and expect a pat on the back.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
So, if you were living in the US, you wouldn’t mind paying a special tax for non-Christians?[/quote]
if it’s the law of the country iam staying in i must abide by it