Dyskee, when you edit your posts, have the courtesy to put an EDIT tag in it.
[quote]dyskee wrote:
do you even know what is jihad? or ur just thinking that jehad is just whacking somebody for no reason?[/quote]
You have to admit, that is what it is associated with in the Western world. You can once again thank Osama and his ilk for that.
[quote]dk44 wrote:
dyskee wrote:
dk44 wrote:
This thread just made me realize that there is no such thing as a “moderate” muslim. Moderate = I’m not really a muslim but I have a Koran somewhere in my bookshelf.
dk44 in every religion there are extremists in both direction , those who do too much and those who do too little and there are moderates who do the basics and are satisfied with it. but that’s ur own opinion and ur free in it , but how did u get to that realization?
Because you think that God is going to come back and kill the Jews. [/quote]
What do you mean “God is going to come back”? God is omnipresent and eternal.
[quote]lixy wrote:
dk44 wrote:
dyskee wrote:
dk44 wrote:
This thread just made me realize that there is no such thing as a “moderate” muslim. Moderate = I’m not really a muslim but I have a Koran somewhere in my bookshelf.
dk44 in every religion there are extremists in both direction , those who do too much and those who do too little and there are moderates who do the basics and are satisfied with it. but that’s ur own opinion and ur free in it , but how did u get to that realization?
Because you think that God is going to come back and kill the Jews.
What do you mean “God is going to come back”? God is omnipresent and eternal. [/quote]
My bad, Dyskee wrote “Jesus will come back and kill the jews.”
way to divert the point tho.
For those confused about Jihad:
Looks like they’re all confused too. I must say, I don’t like the idea of Gandhi’s struggle being described as Jihad when compared to the self-styled Jihad of Osama and his lot.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Are you just going to regurgitate Ahmed Deedat on this thread?
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What is the Ahmed Deedat?
[quote]pat wrote:
I can’t wait to see Jesus come down and slaughter all the Jews. That has got to be the dumbest shit I have ever heard.
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Christians think Christ will come back and convert the Jews to Christianity.
Hey, if Christ is supposed to come back to “kill the anti-Christ” why’d the Turks brick up the walls of Jerusalem where Christ is supposed to enter when he makes his return?
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
I wonder if it would be alright with the Muslims here if we Christians be allowed to define our own faith - the faith “delivered to the saint?”
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I hear ya. If in the 3rd Century, let’s say, the Christians decided to “change” their religion and make Christ rise from the dead and become the Son of God, what were their beliefs prior to this “change”?
Why would there be a religion called Christianity if the key and core beliefs were added centuries after the religion was originally founded?
[quote]Chushin wrote:
I’m starting to think we need to get as many Muslims from as many places as possible involved here.[/quote]
I note that Lixy and dyskee don’t agree on everything. I think that is enough in itself. It’s good to have different views, but too many would just be confusing.
If Muslims believe that Christ was a Prophet, why did they forsake his teaching?
[quote]dk44 wrote:
dyskee wrote:
dk44 wrote:
This thread just made me realize that there is no such thing as a “moderate” muslim. Moderate = I’m not really a muslim but I have a Koran somewhere in my bookshelf.
dk44 in every religion there are extremists in both direction , those who do too much and those who do too little and there are moderates who do the basics and are satisfied with it. but that’s ur own opinion and ur free in it , but how did u get to that realization?
Because you think that God is going to come back and kill the Jews.
How would you classify yourself on the moderate->extreme chart?[/quote]
u want to really know the answer? well i think you guys here gave me the best bday gift ever - my bday is today btw- without knowing.
just till before i started this thread all i did was just pray ,fast in ramadan and occasionally read the koran all in all i was below moderate then when i started this thread i began reading the koran alot to be able to answer you i searched for hadiths, and i found a something worth to do other than hanging out with my friends , watching tv or doing my rowing training. thank you for making me a better person.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Dyskee, when you edit your posts, have the courtesy to put an EDIT tag in it.[/quote]
iam sorry lixy am just started to get used to posting here.
[quote]Makavali wrote:
dyskee wrote:
do you even know what is jihad? or ur just thinking that jehad is just whacking somebody for no reason?
You have to admit, that is what it is associated with in the Western world. You can once again thank Osama and his ilk for that.[/quote]
there are many types of jihad.
a) jihad in war is solely for defending the religion and the people when muslims are being attacked not just starting some holy war.
b) soul jihad is when ur trying to prevent urself from doing some thing forbidden.
c) jihad for spreading the word of god actually when iam explaining to u things in the koran here in this thread this is a type jihad.
as for the misintrepreted jihad typeA (war) here is evidence from the koran that it’s not just war for the sake of war.
bism ilah alrahman alrahim.
“Make ready for them all thou canst of (armed) force and of horses tethered, that thereby ye may dismay the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others beside them whom ye know not. Allah knoweth them. Whatsoever ye spend in the way of Allah it will be repaid to you in full, and ye will not be wronged. (60) And if they incline to peace, incline thou also to it, and trust in Allah. Lo! He, is the Hearer, the Knower.” (koran 8 59:60)
if u read it carefully u’ll notice that god said go and and kill them he said make a force ready to counter them if they attack. and if they chose peace so be it.
[quote]dyskee wrote:
if u read it carefully u’ll notice that god said go and and kill them he said make a force ready to counter them if they attack. and if they chose peace so be it.[/quote]
So starting war should then be a no-no, right?
[quote]dk44 wrote:
My bad, Dyskee wrote “Jesus will come back and kill the jews.”
way to divert the point tho.[/quote]
dk44 it’s a sign of the day of judgement and we won’t even be there to see it.
iam not really sure but basically we won’t be the ones to start a war unless we are attacked threatned , killed , u get my point right?
[quote]Chushin wrote:
I’m starting to think we need to get as many Muslims from as many places as possible involved here.
Dyskee’s comments have widened the perspective of the discussion considerably.
Plus, Dyskee (is this name a Japanese word?) seems like a nice guy! [/quote]
yup its a japanese word actually it’s daisuke but people mispronounce it , it’s taken from the japanese saga of grendizer i adore it i was watching it since i was a 4 year old -in other countries known as goldark-
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Chushin wrote:
I’m starting to think we need to get as many Muslims from as many places as possible involved here.
I note that Lixy and dyskee don’t agree on everything. I think that is enough in itself. It’s good to have different views, but too many would just be confusing.[/quote]
if u notice we argue about cultural differences i come from a 3rd world country he’s from europe so u get the idea.
[quote]dyskee wrote:
iam not really sure but basically we won’t be the ones to start a war unless we are attacked threatned , killed , u get my point right?[/quote]
Threatened?
…umm. Yikes. A threat? Unless you know beyond a shadow of a doubt attack is imminent, I can’t say I approve of that.
And at any rate, civilians should be left alone, I think you’ll agree with me there.