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[quote]hedo wrote:
dyskee wrote:
gkhan
no jesus did not die on the cross the one that died on the cross was judas iscariot who ratted jesus out.

quranic verse that supports this:

bism ilah alrahman alrahim
" And because of their disbelief and of their speaking against Mary a tremendous calumny;

And because of their saying in boast, “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Apostle of God”; - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no certain knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:- Nay, God raised him up unto Himself; and God is Exalted in Power, Wise; " (Qur’an 4:157-158)

jesus is indeed in heaven and in the end of days jesus will come back to earth and lead the muslims to kill the antichrist and the jews in accordance with prophecy.

chusin for ur last question . Why does any Muslim do anything without evidence from the Qur’an and Prophetic tradition?

= Misguidance, ignorance

The Koran is hardly a reference for Christian Theology.

You are a blithering idiot. Did Lixy create you as another sock puppet just to continue screwing up the political forum and driving more traffic away from Biotest?

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it’s not a refrence for christian theology i was just answering the question about how muslims think about this matter.

no iam not an idiot, who are u to judge me ur another human being just as me , u don’t know me u hardly see my avatar?!! and lixy didn’t create me infact god did. if u don’t want this thread then go tell the mods to shut it down it’s not hard .

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[quote]pat wrote:
dyskee wrote:
dk44 wrote:
Also, if you believe that our God is the same God, and that the Bible is corrupt so God called for the Koran, then you must think that the story of Jesus being God’s son is part of this corruption. Why would man make up Jesus being sent as the son of God? If you wanted to control a population wouldn’t a distant, cold God be more beneficial than a God that sends his son to die for our sins?

because i think that if the church gave jesus (pbuh) a devine image as the son of god , the church could promise people forgiveness and a place in heaven if they follow the son of god in exchange for being completely submissive to the church.

ps: before u attack me iam just making assumptions.

You cannot make assumptions when making bold statements like this. This is some thing you better know to be true and you better verify. If you claims the Bible is false and corrupted and cannot substantiate, many of us here can say the same thing about the Koran and can substantiate our claims. I will not do that for the sake of others here. I warned you to tread carefully, head it please.[/quote]

if u read his question pat u’d notice that he asked me about my opinion and about what i think so i answered him about what i think not about what iam sure because i hardly know anything christianity what i know about christianity is simple info. from my christian friends.

and i was very careful not to offend anyone . don’t forget that your ahead of me by years of experience and it’s something that i can’t snap my fingers for to happen.

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[quote]pat wrote:
dyskee wrote:

And because of their saying in boast, “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Apostle of God”; - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no certain knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:- Nay, God raised him up unto Himself; and God is Exalted in Power, Wise; " (Qur’an 4:157-158)

jesus is indeed in heaven and in the end of days jesus will come back to earth and lead the muslims to kill the antichrist and the jews in accordance with prophecy.

chusin for ur last question . Why does any Muslim do anything without evidence from the Qur’an and Prophetic tradition?

= Misguidance, ignorance

Oh my God!!! I am speechless.

Would you say that your beliefs are representative of most muslims?[/quote]

why are u speechless i substantiated my answer with an evidence from the quran.

amd as the war of then end of days it’s a major sign in the signs of the day of jusdgement , u can ask lixy if u don’t believe me?

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[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
I wonder if it would be alright with the Muslims here if we Christians be allowed to define our own faith - the faith “delivered to the saint?”

Furthermore, I find it rather appalling that the Muslims demand that we accept their explanation of our own texts. We’ve got a history of understanding of the Bible, and we’ll keep ours thankyouverymuch, rather than the words of a 6th century Arab raider.[/quote]

iam not demanding that u accept our explanation of OUR OWN texts, could u show me in this thread where i got a verse from the bible and tried to explain it??? i got verses from the koran our holy book. iam merely stating what we belive.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
dyskee wrote:
“I say this because they are far to many people using an outdated and somewhat barbaric mentality based on a man who lived in a different day and age.” but this my friend i don’t agree with and i find it rather insulting :frowning:

Don’t. I meant Muhammad was an example back when he was alive. If he were born recently, I’m sure his teachings would be the same, but explained differently.

Back then it wasn’t considered barbaric.

EDIT: I’ll just add that, while I say it wasn’t considered barbaric, we’re talking about a time when people didn’t have such close access to other countries. Now we do, therefore we should go with the way that promotes harmony as opposed to trying to provoke all-out holy war.[/quote]

i am all the way with you in promoting harmony

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
orion wrote:
Makavali wrote:
dyskee wrote:
lixy and makavali i don’t want to kill my sister i love her i was setting an example!!!

It was a bad example then. Honor killings have no place in society. Tribal or otherwise.

I completely disagree. I just don´t like his system of honor.

Duels are a good thing.

We are just not civilized enough any more.

When I say honor killing, I’m referring mainly to people who kill their wife/sister under false religious pretenses.

“Ooh I don’t approve of your boyfriend. You gonna have to die!” (imagine that in the most sarcastic feminine voice you can think of)

That sort of thing I think has no place in the world.

Duels on the other hand…

(brings out glove)[/quote]

ok enough with the honour killing i told u many times that it’s a bad cultural habbit that should be stopped. and i explained before that i don’t mind my sister having guy friends as long as they respect her as i do with other girls.

i may seem strange now but we are in 21st century she could easily go and have a boy friend behind my back and i probably wouldn’t ever know it but on the other hand i prefer it if she comes and tells me about it , it’s better that i be the one who gains her trust and not some other punk that i don’t know who he is? any one disagreeing here?

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[quote]pat wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
I wonder if it would be alright with the Muslims here if we Christians be allowed to define our own faith - the faith “delivered to the saint?”

Furthermore, I find it rather appalling that the Muslims demand that we accept their explanation of our own texts. We’ve got a history of understanding of the Bible, and we’ll keep ours thankyouverymuch, rather than the words of a 6th century Arab raider.

Maybe we should demand they accept our explanation for their texts. :)[/quote]

iam telling you i was explaining our own texts

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This thread just made me realize that there is no such thing as a “moderate” muslim. Moderate = I’m not really a muslim but I have a Koran somewhere in my bookshelf.

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[quote]dk44 wrote:
This thread just made me realize that there is no such thing as a “moderate” muslim. Moderate = I’m not really a muslim but I have a Koran somewhere in my bookshelf. [/quote]

That is what I am saying all along.

Corrupt them with fast food, porn and daytime television.

And I am completely serious.

Fat welfare slobs do not start djihads.

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[quote]dyskee wrote:
i am all the way with you in promoting harmony[/quote]

In that case I hope you understood what I meant about Muhammad. It’s basically the concept of moral relativism.

And just to be clear, harmony in my definition was letting each person come to their own decision with respect to religion.

IMHO, human rights trump religion any day. And that is what is lacking in the majority of predominantly Islamic countries. I’m sure if this problem was tackled, there would be a lot more tolerance for Islam. I’m not saying it would happen overnight, but it would happen.

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[quote]Makavali wrote:
pat wrote:
Maybe we should demand they accept our explanation for their texts. :slight_smile:

Riots, anyone?

It is appalling that they insist others are wrong without a shred of proof. Everyone has the right to choose their own religion, but not at the expense of human rights.[/quote]

come on makavali i thought we were buddies , huh?? i always give u a proof to my answer and u never seem to like it now what should i do?

and i told u before an hundred times that everyone is free to do what ever he wants because no one will bear the consequences of his own acts. and i mentioned before that iam not here to debate political stuff , explanation of the bible because i can’t explain it nor push islam over to you.

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[quote]orion wrote:
Fat welfare slobs do not start djihads.[/quote]

Are you serious? You actually want more fat people?

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[quote]dyskee wrote:
come on makavali i thought we were buddies , huh?? i always give u a proof to my answer and u never seem to like it now what should i do?

and i told u before an hundred times that everyone is free to do what ever he wants because no one will bear the consequences of his own acts. and i mentioned before that iam not here to debate political stuff , explanation of the bible because i can’t explain it nor push islam over to you.[/quote]

Wasn’t really talking about you there, more the extremists who blindly accept propaganda and start Jihad under the delusion that everyone else is wrong.

Unless you decide to strap a bomb to yourself and go for a stroll through the CBD, then that post ain’t directed at you.

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[quote]dyskee wrote:
pat wrote:
dyskee wrote:

And because of their saying in boast, “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Apostle of God”; - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no certain knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:- Nay, God raised him up unto Himself; and God is Exalted in Power, Wise; " (Qur’an 4:157-158)

jesus is indeed in heaven and in the end of days jesus will come back to earth and lead the muslims to kill the antichrist and the jews in accordance with prophecy.

chusin for ur last question . Why does any Muslim do anything "without evidence from the Qur’an and Prophetic tradition?

= Misguidance, ignorance

Oh my God!!! I am speechless.

Would you say that your beliefs are representative of most muslims?

why are u speechless i substantiated my answer with an evidence from the quran.

amd as the war of then end of days it’s a major sign in the signs of the day of jusdgement , u can ask lixy if u don’t believe me?
[/quote]

Because of this:
“jesus is indeed in heaven and in the end of days jesus will come back to earth and lead the muslims to kill the antichrist and the jews in accordance with prophecy.”

I am really, be serious. Seemly you guys (muslims) solution for like everything is to kill somebody. We heathens in the west are a tad sick of it.

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[quote]dk44 wrote:
This thread just made me realize that there is no such thing as a “moderate” muslim. Moderate = I’m not really a muslim but I have a Koran somewhere in my bookshelf. [/quote]

dk44 in every religion there are extremists in both direction , those who do too much and those who do too little and there are moderates who do the basics and are satisfied with it. but that’s ur own opinion and ur free in it , but how did u get to that realization?

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[quote]orion wrote:
dk44 wrote:
This thread just made me realize that there is no such thing as a “moderate” muslim. Moderate = I’m not really a muslim but I have a Koran somewhere in my bookshelf.

That is what I am saying all along.

Corrupt them with fast food, porn and daytime television.

And I am completely serious.

Fat welfare slobs do not start djihads.

[/quote]

do you even know what is jihad? or ur just thinking that jehad is just whacking somebody for no reason?

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[quote]pat wrote:
dyskee wrote:
pat wrote:
dyskee wrote:

And because of their saying in boast, “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Apostle of God”; - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no certain knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:- Nay, God raised him up unto Himself; and God is Exalted in Power, Wise; " (Qur’an 4:157-158)

jesus is indeed in heaven and in the end of days jesus will come back to earth and lead the muslims to kill the antichrist and the jews in accordance with prophecy.

chusin for ur last question . Why does any Muslim do anything "without evidence from the Qur’an and Prophetic tradition?

= Misguidance, ignorance

Oh my God!!! I am speechless.

Would you say that your beliefs are representative of most muslims?

why are u speechless i substantiated my answer with an evidence from the quran.

amd as the war of then end of days it’s a major sign in the signs of the day of jusdgement , u can ask lixy if u don’t believe me?

Because of this:
“jesus is indeed in heaven and in the end of days jesus will come back to earth and lead the muslims to kill the antichrist and the jews in accordance with prophecy.”

I am really, be serious. Seemly you guys (muslims) solution for like everything is to kill somebody. We heathens in the west are a tad sick of it.
[/quote]

no killing someone is never a solution but i’ll give this to read it’s the signs of the day of judgement Signs Before the Day of Judgement, The - SunnahOnline.com

or if u prefer read it on wikepedia

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[quote]dyskee wrote:
no killing someone is never a solution but i’ll give this to read it’s the signs of the day of judgement Signs Before the Day of Judgement, The - SunnahOnline.com

or if u prefer read it on wikepedia [/quote]

The Wiki doesn’t list anything of the sort.

In fact, that page you linked to doesn’t either.

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[quote]dyskee wrote:
orion wrote:
dk44 wrote:
This thread just made me realize that there is no such thing as a “moderate” muslim. Moderate = I’m not really a muslim but I have a Koran somewhere in my bookshelf.

That is what I am saying all along.

Corrupt them with fast food, porn and daytime television.

And I am completely serious.

Fat welfare slobs do not start djihads.

do you even know what is jihad? or ur just thinking that jehad is just whacking somebody for no reason?
[/quote]

The 'Umdat al-Salik defines it as “warfare for the spread of religion.” I don’t think that’s a good reason to go to war, do you?

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[quote]dyskee wrote:
dk44 wrote:
This thread just made me realize that there is no such thing as a “moderate” muslim. Moderate = I’m not really a muslim but I have a Koran somewhere in my bookshelf.

dk44 in every religion there are extremists in both direction , those who do too much and those who do too little and there are moderates who do the basics and are satisfied with it. but that’s ur own opinion and ur free in it , but how did u get to that realization?[/quote]

Because you think that God is going to come back and kill the Jews.

How would you classify yourself on the moderate->extreme chart?