[quote]dyskee wrote:
“I’m sure. Because God made a mistake. He fucked up”
how can u say god is perfect and then again say this.[/quote]
Sarcasm escapes you, obviously.
First explain how you can justify honor killings at all. It’s a barbaric custom, and linked closely to Islam.
[quote]dk44 wrote:
Lixy or Dyskee, do you believe that the Koran God and the Bible God are the same?[/quote]
Absolutely!
Men and women are different, but equal.
I’m guessing that by “Shiara Law”, you mean Sharia as practiced in Saudi Arabia and its satellites. The answer to that would be a resounding NO. I’d sooner have my hand cut (smile!) than put up with totalitarian misogynistic rules.
An infinitesimal portion of Sharia, as we know it, is irrefutably based on the Quran. The bulk of it is man-made.
I believe in the Vox Populi, Vox Dei mantra. The best we can do with the Quran is interpret it, and I see no reason why some fat guy sitting on a throne or a self-designated expert would be more right than the majority. Call me an idealist for assuming most people can use common sense (or even read!), but I believe in people’s right to determine their own fate.
[quote]dyskee wrote:
i gave u all the evidence i know that homosexuality is forbeidden and yet u don’t believe , it’s up to u then my friend.[/quote]
Doesn’t say anywhere that homosexuality is forbidden. It’s a matter of interpretation.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Call me an idealist for assuming most people can use common sense (or even read!), but I believe in people’s right to determine their own fate.[/quote]
I call you free-thinking.
More and more I find myself agreeing with you Lixy.
[quote]dk44 wrote:
Also, if you believe that our God is the same God, and that the Bible is corrupt so God called for the Koran, then you must think that the story of Jesus being God’s son is part of this corruption.
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It’s actually the main issue, and it should be clear upon reading the Quran.
I believe for the same reasons people create saints’ personas. The practice, despite being unambiguously frowned upon by Islam, is widely spread in the Arab world. It’s actually a very lucrative business.
Now, was the deification of Jesus malicious or just misguided? I can’t say. We know close to nothing about what happened to Christians for many many years after Jesus’ crucifixion. So let’s assume that it was an honest mistake which was caused by a failure of the grapevine. I never knew my father, and from what people have been telling me, he was an exceptional man with all the finest attributes. And every story I heard was by someone who knew him personally. I have little doubt that many “I heard” streched over a long period of time can turn an ordinary person into an extraordinary being. I’ll let you imagine what could have happened to the story of a sinless miracle birth child…
makavali , to easily make you understand this barbaric custom u must know that these tribes live by their OWN rules the ruler of the tribe sets up a set of rules and he is considered the judge on everything so when soemthing like this happens he orders the execution. that’s the easiest i could explain. infact saudi arabia emirates quatar and all these arab states where formed of many tribes so tribal ruling is still the ruling. u got it now? and why is it linked to islam because they are born msulims
for the issue of homosexuals do u know the story of soddom and gommorah , fetch it up from wikipedia.
Well mate, I’m not sure I really get you. I mean I’m not really arguing anything in particular here. It’s more of an observation really…just that you can choose to see ‘it’ - ie. muslims according Jesus an important place but still according a far greater one to Muhammed - as being very odd or somehow inconsistent or, like me, completely non- contradictory…
[quote]red bull wrote:
Well mate, I’m not sure I really get you. I mean I’m not really arguing anything in particular here. It’s more of an observation really…just that you can choose to see ‘it’ - ie. muslims according Jesus an important place but still according a far greater one to Muhammed - as being very odd, or somehow inconsistent or, like me, completely non- contradictory…
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just as u would give jesus(pbuh) a higher place than mohamed (pbuh).
mohamed(pbuh) is ower messenger so we do love him and respect him.
jesus(pbuh) is a messenger of god so we do respect him too.
that’s it
[quote]Chushin wrote:
Many of us here have said this dozens of times:
It’s not we non-Muslims who need to be “educated.” It’s your Muslim “brothers.”[/quote]
Look, I never had the arrogance to educate any “non-Muslim”. The only reason I started posting on this forum is because some people were flooding the board with thread about “All Muslims [being] bad” and similar crap. That’s it.
I do not expect anyone to stand idly by when some bigot claims that Muslims (or Jews, Christians, etc.) are a monolithic group and that the actions of Al-Qaeda and co. are supported by the majority.
[quote]Or maybe YOU don’t understand what Islam really is.
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Sure. God Almighty knows best.
I’m just presenting my point of view based on the reading I did of the Quran a few years ago during my soul-searching phase. If you disagree with my interpretation, feel free to tell us where you think I misunderstood the message. Just try to be more constructive than your usual “na-a”.
[quote]dyskee wrote:
makavali , to easily make you understand this barbaric custom u must know that these tribes live by their OWN rules the ruler of the tribe sets up a set of rules and he is considered the judge on everything so when soemthing like this happens he orders the execution. that’s the easiest i could explain. infact saudi arabia emirates quatar and all these arab states where formed of many tribes so tribal ruling is still the ruling. u got it now? and why is it linked to islam because they are born msulims[/quote]
And that makes it OK does it? It reeks of misogyny. Those ‘tribes’ continue to claim it is part of their religion. They justify it with passages from the Qura’n.
All that tells me is that they were punished for deviancy. And possibly bestiality and gang rape. So if scientists prove homosexuality is natural, then doesn’t that show it is not deviant behavior?
and i never claimed to be an all rounded , full of knowledge muslim. i said i’d try to get answers for you to defend my religion which i saw being misinterpreted and attacked which really provoked me.
as for your claim chusin that maybe i don’t understand what islam really is well as lixy said god know’s best iam trying to do my best here and yet ur all being grumpy.
i have a friend who helped me here a couple of times he knows alot and i mean alot and he has compiled i great thread of questions and answers given to him by people, but everytime he shows me that thread i seriously get annoyed because the people asking him are serious in wanting to know something not just trying to play phsycological games with him, if all of u want i can give you the link to his huggggggge thread his compilation of islam 101 which helped me answer u alot and we can close this thread good bye and be friends without interfering with religion. and yes iam whining
who said it makes it ok i just answered u
[quote]lixy wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
And how many Muslims support the views of Al-Qaeda?
I don’t know. How many?
Besides, until “Al-Qaeda” becomes part of the political landscape of some country and their mischiefs get financed by “Muslims”, the analogy will remain utterly irrelevant.[/quote]
I thought you said The Saudis fund al-Qaeda? Either the Saudis are not Muslims or you can not keep your arguments straight.
[quote]dk44 wrote:
Why is it so hard to believe that God could snap his fingers and make Mary pregnant? If you believe he created the world, then how much easier would it be to create a baby?[/quote]
What I have a hard time getting my head around is that God could snap his fingers and make Mary born without sin. That whole concept bugs me. She could be born without sin and yet, Christ had to die to redeem the sins of the entire world. In other words, it probably could have been a lot simpler.
[quote]Mark Mabry wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
lixy wrote:
pat wrote:
We are in Iraq because Bush is an idiot who had a personal vendetta against Saddam Hussain, and he thought he could win the “hearts and minds” of the Iraqi people.
I’ll use the term criminal rather than idiot.
Also, need I remind you that 80% of Americans supported him “personal vendetta”?
And how many Muslims support the views of Al-Qaeda?
80% of Americans supported Bush! Where did you find this?[/quote]
no tellin. some bias socialist anti-US poll, no doubt.
[quote]lixy wrote:
pat wrote:
Do muslims believe that non-muslims are going to hell because thay are not muslim?
No.[/quote]
Then why do they kill them? Why are they at war with the non-believers?
[quote]Makavali wrote:
Zap Branigan wrote:
Seriously? The Taliban came after the CIA left Afghanistan.
I know the CIA or some US government branch trained some terrorist group in that area. They obviously weren’t ‘terrorists’ at the time though.[/quote]
Yes, the CIA funded the fighters to kick out the Soviets. They eventually did. The Taliban were made up largely of misplaced Afghans living and trained in Pakistan. They emerged as a force years after war against the Soviets had ended.