[quote]swordthrower wrote:
lixy wrote:
And what’s all this talk about skinning? That doesn’t even make sense.[/quote]
Sounds to me like something the Taliban does.
[quote]Gkhan wrote:
dk44 wrote:
Why is it so hard to believe that God could snap his fingers and make Mary pregnant? If you believe he created the world, then how much easier would it be to create a baby?
What I have a hard time getting my head around is that God could snap his fingers and make Mary born without sin. That whole concept bugs me. She could be born without sin and yet, Christ had to die to redeem the sins of the entire world. In other words, it probably could have been a lot simpler. [/quote]
That’s a Roman Catholic doctrine - the idea that Mary was sinless.
[quote]lixy wrote:
Makavali wrote:
lixy wrote:
It was actually in the 70-something percent, but I rounded it up.
Ok then, according to my rounding, 100% of Muslims are terrorists.
Don’t round at all, give actual figures in these discussions.
Can we trust any of your numbers now?
EDIT: “Do you approve or disapprove of the way Bush is handling the situation in Iraq?”
That never even went above 70%. Wikipedia has 75%. That’s very generous rounding.
No. Don’t trust any of my numbers. Be skeptical and always verify.
Now, if you think I misrepresented facts or was deliberately deceitful, feel free to disregard what I write.
I can’t tell you where I picked up the high end 70% figure, but it may have been in this documentary.
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/btw/watch.html
The point I was making was that Americans bought the propaganda hook, line and sinker.[/quote]
Funny, you talking about falling for propaganda.
[quote]dyskee wrote:
it’s not hard we actually belive that god’s creation to jesus is a miracle but we don’t belive that jesus is the son of god.
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Do Muslims believe that Jesus died on the cross?
[quote]dyskee wrote:
Chushin wrote:
It gets even better. Apparently Muslims see Jesus as a sinless being, perhaps the son of God. And yet, they choose to constantly focus on “the prophet”… Peace Be Upon Him.
jesus was an honoured prophet but he wasn’t the son of god. i made it clear a few posts ago.
and according to islam our faith can’t be completed unless we believe in jesus moses and their books.
and in page 6 i wrote about jesus in islam[/quote]
Is Jesus in Heaven? What does he think when he sees Muslims killing Christians and Jews in the name of their religion?
[quote]dyskee wrote:
now to prove that you are wrong also , how come that some christians say that jesus is the son of god and some say that he is god ??!!!
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Read this:
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
dk44 wrote:
Why is it so hard to believe that God could snap his fingers and make Mary pregnant? If you believe he created the world, then how much easier would it be to create a baby?
What I have a hard time getting my head around is that God could snap his fingers and make Mary born without sin. That whole concept bugs me. She could be born without sin and yet, Christ had to die to redeem the sins of the entire world. In other words, it probably could have been a lot simpler.
That’s a Roman Catholic doctrine - the idea that Mary was sinless.
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What do you mean by ‘born without sin’?
[quote]Makavali wrote:
PRCalDude wrote:
Gkhan wrote:
dk44 wrote:
Why is it so hard to believe that God could snap his fingers and make Mary pregnant? If you believe he created the world, then how much easier would it be to create a baby?
What I have a hard time getting my head around is that God could snap his fingers and make Mary born without sin. That whole concept bugs me. She could be born without sin and yet, Christ had to die to redeem the sins of the entire world. In other words, it probably could have been a lot simpler.
That’s a Roman Catholic doctrine - the idea that Mary was sinless.
What do you mean by ‘born without sin’?[/quote]
Hopefully some Roman Catholics will jump in - I don’t want to misrepresent them.
Christian theology teaches that because of Adam’s sin, all mankind is born sinful. Roman Catholics hold that in order for Jesus to be born outside of the Adamic curse, Mary needed to be sinful also. Again, I hope some jump in here.
In the Lutheran/Reformed tradition, Jesus was born outside of Adam’s curse because he was conceived by the Holy Spirit, and not fathered by a man. The human fatherhood would have passed on the curse.
[quote]PRCalDude wrote:
Hopefully some Roman Catholics will jump in - I don’t want to misrepresent them.
Christian theology teaches that because of Adam’s sin, all mankind is born sinful. Roman Catholics hold that in order for Jesus to be born outside of the Adamic curse, Mary needed to be sinful also. Again, I hope some jump in here.
In the Lutheran/Reformed tradition, Jesus was born outside of Adam’s curse because he was conceived by the Holy Spirit, and not fathered by a man. The human fatherhood would have passed on the curse. [/quote]
Didn’t Eve tell Adam to eat the fruit? And I’m sure she had the first bite. I could be wrong.
EDIT: Changed after some research.
[quote]Guerrero wrote:
Ie, does not have the original sin of Adam and Eve.
Catholicism>Islamic Devil Worship
How do you guys feel about the fact, that I have no rational basis for not liking your gay ass religion.
And think all of you guys are pederasts and boy lovers?
Why?
Because there are alot more people percentage wise who hate Christianity in the Muslim world, so it’s only balances the force, that their should be Catholics in the Western World who straight up just don’t like you.
I don’t like you fucking Muslims, and I don’t want you in our country.
I don’t want you hijacking our multicultural programs to justify you’re political agenda, and I don’t give a shit how you feel about me drawing cartoons of your pedophile mohamed.
Protestantism= Sunni
Catholicism= Shia
We may not like eachother, but I think we can all agree, we definetely don’t like muslims or want them where we live.
Seriously, come to my neighborhood, I’ll behead you.[/quote]
So you pretty much hate stuff that’s different?
wow
Not really, I eat sushi.
gkhan
no jesus did not die on the cross the one that died on the cross was judas iscariot who ratted jesus out.
quranic verse that supports this:
bism ilah alrahman alrahim
" And because of their disbelief and of their speaking against Mary a tremendous calumny;
And because of their saying in boast, “We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Apostle of God”; - but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no certain knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:- Nay, God raised him up unto Himself; and God is Exalted in Power, Wise; " (Qur’an 4:157-158)
jesus is indeed in heaven and in the end of days jesus will come back to earth and lead the muslims to kill the antichrist and the jews in accordance with prophecy.
chusin for ur last question . Why does any Muslim do anything without evidence from the Qur’an and Prophetic tradition?
= Misguidance, ignorance
[quote]dyskee wrote:
jesus will come back to earth and lead the muslims to kill the antichrist and the jews in accordance with prophecy.[/quote]
Holy. Fucking. Hell.
Dude, Jesus is not going to lead the Muslims in some holy war to kill Jews. That is the most utterly retarded statement I have ever read, beaten only by the stop sign thread.
Please tell me where in the Qura’n it says this.
EDIT: Here’s what I found.
Please, no antisemitism.
Guerrero, u don’t like muslims that’s your own problem i don’t blame u , u seem like a victim of media misguidance. iam sure alot of people don’t like islam but they sure do show respect, people like makavali and chusin used to be a pain in the ass for me in the begining of this thread and now they are more and more becoming friends with me or that’s atleast how i view them. not everyone is sure to like everything but atleast they show repect. i wish u guidance in your journey.
ps: u can’t behead me anyday of the week i’d take u off in a matter of makavali’s snapping his fingers.
[quote]Chushin wrote:
My usual “na-a?” Don’t know exactly what that means, but I don’t recall ever writing something like that.
Look, when all is said and done, I’m happy that you’ve settled on the interpretation that you have. And I sincerely have no doubt that most Americans would have no difficulty accepting your sort of Islam, just as we’ve accepted so many other religions.
My beef with you (as regards Islam) is that you seem completely unable to accept that a significant number (no, I can’t give specifics) of Muslims apparently have a different, less enlightened view. Your “it’s only a few criminals” refrain rings pretty hollow every time another horrendous act is committed in the name of your religion.
And here we have what seems to be a generally good and educated kid, telling us that many of our beliefs about Islam’s dark side are true. Where did he get this stuff from? The few “criminals?” These aren’t at least moderately-held (ie, % of Muslims) beliefs in the Muslim world?
Again, I repeat: Instead of “defending” Islam here, I would think that your time would be much better spent trying to educate “misguided” (at least according to you) Muslims. (Funny how that sounds just like what you told Dyskee, huh?)
Oh, and just as another poster wrote here, you really are an obnoxious know-it-all. Do you realize that?[/quote]
chusin i agree with you that some muslims must be re educated.
but - iam assuming that iam the kid ur referring to- islam has no dark side it’s crystal clear, it’s like any other religion u do good deeds u go to heaven u do bad deeds u end up in hell.
i have been reading the entire thread last night although i should have been studying , i felt there is a missing link in our conversation and i found it.
we can’t seem to understand each other not because of islam it’s because our civilizations, we come from different places with diferrent cultural habits that’s why you guys are able to communicate with lixy more than me , lixy is swedish iam a middle eastren , we’re both muslims yet we r both different. lixy can understand u more than i can because he’s living in the same lifstyle as u i know about america , europe and the far east from the movies no more no less.
ok what u found was good makavali and from wikipedia too lol, i agree with it but i don’t like this stuff about 313 number.
are u always free at work, what do u work? , i want a job like yours.
[quote]dyskee wrote:
ok what u found was good makavali and from wikipedia too lol, i agree with it but i don’t like this stuff about 313 number.
are u always free at work, what do u work? , i want a job like yours.[/quote]
Ha. I’m about to go to bed now, but it was a slow day at work today. This week actually. Generally I’m run off my feet. Yay Architecture!
But again, what’s up with the killing Jews comments? It must have come from somewhere, and that’s concerning, because not everyone can accept what they read/were taught is wrong. The fact that such blatant antisemitism and even general xenophobia is being taught to young Muslims is a frightening thought.
I hope you can understand that I’m not attacking you, but rather some of the antiquated notions that are being touted as part of Islam.
I believe all religions lead to the one same God, via different paths. Same basic principle, though. However, just like a tree, the diseased (outdated) branches (principles) need to be pruned away. You’ll find it’s not just Islam that has this problem. Even Hinduism has only just done away with Sati (ritual burning of widows) and are cracking down on Dowry (although this is an ongoing fight, and not exclusive to Hinduism).
I find Muhammad and his teachings should be judged based on the time in which they were written. The meaning should carry through to the modern day, not the action. I say this because they are far to many people using an outdated and somewhat barbaric mentality based on a man who lived in a different day and age.
ok for the job thing could u pm because i must apply to college by the end of this month and iam torn between architecture and construction engineering and i don’t know the difference between the 2.
it can’t be antisemitism because muslims are sons of sam too. but as i said before i have no problem with jews but rather i have major issues with zionists.
i will try to find a statement where it says it explicitly.
i agree with ur statement about the tree i actually like it.
and for the last part the miracle of islam is that it’s a religion for all the ages but i agree that the esscensce of the teachings should carry and not the action.
“I say this because they are far to many people using an outdated and somewhat barbaric mentality based on a man who lived in a different day and age.” but this my friend i don’t agree with and i find it rather insulting 