[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
[quote]ajweins wrote:
[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
[quote]ajweins wrote:
[quote]165StateChamp wrote:
[quote]DixiesFinest wrote:
[quote]AntonioFlores wrote:
all i said was that even though bodybuilders do the vacuum as a pose it doesnt neccesarly mean it wont have any cary over if you train the T.V.A[/quote]
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He’s talking about the transverse abdominis muscle that’s deep to the rectus abdominis and the obliques and all that junk. People say you can train it by doing vacuum holds for time which is similar to the vacuum pose that used to be popular in bodybuilding.
It is also a similar concept to ‘drawing in’, a method that is touted by ‘functional’ strength coach Mike Boyle. He advises that weight trainers ‘draw their stomachs into their spines’ as a strengthening exercise for the abdominals that acts in place of more traditional crunches or sit-ups.
Is it useful? Maybe. Are there more useful things you can do with your time? Definitely.
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The abdominal drawing in exercises are not useless for the general population. However, for most weight training population I would agree with STB in that they don’t need to worry about it as much as the general recommendation of filling your stomach with air, “prepare you abs” like you are about to get punched and push out against the belt will contract your transverse abdominis just fine.
However, you would be amazed at the amount of people in the general population who have no concept of how to contract their transverse abdominis which is a large part of why they get back pain. I see patients all the time in the physical therapy setting who really struggle with being taught how to gain lumbar stability through transverse abdominis contractions. This is where the abdominal “drawing-in” techniques are beneficial.
This is kind of off topic but since no one really knows what the OP is trying to say in the first place I figured I would keep this discussion going.
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I definitely agree on what you and STB advise and I’ve always thought that ‘preparing for a punch’ is the logical way to create a tight core. I honestly haven’t spent much time thinking about weight training from the general fitness perspective. Have you found any powerlifting specific exercises that carry over well to that field, or vice versa?
I think training the transverse abdominis would be useful for reducing anterior pelvic tilt by limiting distension of the belly but I don’t see it having too much of a place in a powerlifting specific setting. Is that what you mean by ‘gain lumbar stability’?
What’s your opinion on heavy weighted sit-ups for core work as compared to things like ‘olympic abs’, roll-outs and other exercises that limit flexion of the spine? Most powerlifters I know personally train their abs with heavy sit-ups/crunches or don’t train them at all. [/quote]
What I mean by gaining lumbar stability was simply the ability to hold the spine is a neutral position (rather than the rounding that occurs if one deadlifts or squats improperly).
As far as core work goes, I generally only hate those ab machines where you curl the spine. I have done heavy situp work but I focus on bending at the waist rather than flexing the spine. Crunches within a small range of motion is fine is you want a lot of rectus abdominis work for a thicker 6 pack look. I would only crunch up to where your shoulder blades clear the floor rather than trying to flex the lumbar spine. I mainly just do a lot of standing ab work on the lat pulldown machine personally. STB’s blog about core work is pretty studly if you want some ideas.
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Seems like we have pretty much identical viewpoints on ab training. I’ll definitely check out that blog. I’ve heard a lot of good things.
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sonofabitch
you just had to take it to two pages didnt you?[/quote]
lolololol
I regretted it the moment I saw the page 2 link. No Zane picture?
