Show proof of this or please shut the fuck up.
I want to see the “large individuals” who literally STRUGGLE to lift 50lbs.
I doubt anyone here cares about anything else you type until you find at least some proof of this.
[quote]The3Commandments wrote:
A Treatise on Internet Trolling: Why do people waste time writing obvious troll posts?[/quote]
Read poliquin’s article on training with maximal weights and then say that. Are you some kind of T-Nation hall monitor that hands out troll tickets every time he has the opportunity. Whats wrong with this forum is that a Coup d’état has allowed people who do not lift weights to sit on their computer and wildly accuse people of trolling just for asking questions that dont appeal to the in crowds dogma.
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I dont think Ive ever seen Kai struggle with anything let alone 40 pounds. Have you seen what he squats and benches?!?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
Show proof of this or please shut the fuck up.
I want to see the “large individuals” who literally STRUGGLE to lift 50lbs.
I doubt anyone here cares about anything else you type until you find at least some proof of this.[/quote]
Is there a point of showing you proof? Proof is only as valid as the judge of it makes it. If I show you a video, you are the judge and you will still not be convinced as you will claim I am only getting a snapshot of that trainees routine. There is no proof good enough for you so there is no point in me showing you.
[quote]truetomuscle wrote:
Is there a point of showing you proof? Proof is only as valid as the judge of it makes it. If I show you a video, you are the judge and you will still not be convinced as you will claim I am only getting a snapshot of that trainees routine. There is no proof good enough for you so there is no point in me showing you. [/quote]
OK, so now that we’ve acknowledged you have no proof of this…and since none of us knows of these super weak huge people…the thread is pretty much over, huh?
[quote]truetomuscle wrote:
not one person can say what strong or weak for a given weight is, but as the saying goes, I know it when I see it. [/quote]
So “not one person can say what strong or weak for a given weight is” yet you “know it when you see it”. How does that work, exactly?
[quote]Professor X wrote:
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You yourself have claimed that the disproportion of the forearm and upper arm indicates assistance due to the fact that it takes a certain amount of forearm STREngth to get a large upper arm. Why are you swearing at me
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Dude, you better bring it or else this is going to fade quickly.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
[quote]truetomuscle wrote:
Is there a point of showing you proof? Proof is only as valid as the judge of it makes it. If I show you a video, you are the judge and you will still not be convinced as you will claim I am only getting a snapshot of that trainees routine. There is no proof good enough for you so there is no point in me showing you. [/quote]
OK, so now that we’ve acknowledged you have no proof of this…and since none of us knows of these super weak huge people…the thread is pretty much over, huh?[/quote]
There is proof. I never said there wasnt. YOU said there wasnt. I said this: “There is no proof good enough for you so there is no point in me showing you.”
Polquin: “I’m going to let you in on a little secret: a large percentage of professional bodybuilders are about as weak as a one-armed, octogenarian stamp collector with severe arthritis. If some of these pro bodybuilders had a bench-press contest with supermodel Kate Moss, Kate would win, emaciated chest and all. Okay, maybe I’m exaggerating, but over the last few years, I’ve had the opportunity to train arms with a whole slew of pros, and it never fails to chop their immense egos down a few notches. Why? Because simply, I can generally handle more weight than they can, using stricter form, even though they’re usually up to 70 or 80 pounds heavier than I am.”
Even if you disagree with him, he is an authority greater than you. You are not going to accept this as this is not good enough for you.
[quote]truetomuscle wrote:
[quote]Professor X wrote:
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You yourself have claimed that the disproportion of the forearm and upper arm indicates assistance due to the fact that it takes a certain amount of forearm STREngth to get a large upper arm. Why are you swearing at me[/quote]
Now you are clouding your original “treatise” with a steroid issue. You are not going to win any battles going off on tangents. We are all aware that size can be made with steroids without super large gains in strength. Though most people on steroids are usually training hard and will gain strength commensurate with their new size.
I’ve seen quite a lot of bullshit from Poliquin.
Are you done yet?
I mean, seriously, guy, try harder next time. This was seriously bad and unoriginal.
This would have worked if this were 1997 and everyone here was using dial up.
You’re like…20 years too late on the approach.
That usually means you are 40+ years old.
I think I get what you’re saying True, like guys that resemble Ronnie Coleman but lift like a normal high school sophomore? And I understand the process of hypertrophy training, pre-exhausting and all the likes, so if that’s what the person of mammoth size is doing then that explains the “light” weights, but if he is working at his max strength capacity then you feel as though a gentleman that size should have a heavy weight total?
My conclusion would be that while muscle size is related to strength there is also a plethora of other factors to take into account like bone density, tendon/ligament strength, joint angles, and stabilizers just to name a few. I once new a guy that weighed 230 lbs yet he could only bench 225 4 times with good form. It really depends on the person and the exercises that he uses, isolation and machines can look good until you try a compound lift and other muscles of the body can’t support you through the lift. Everyone is unique in their strength levels, and not that “relative to his weight” strength, just true strength. I don’t care if you weigh 148 or 348 the gravity under 350 when you get ready to bench is the same for everyone, either your body is strong enough or it isn’t, no matter your musculature, if you don’t have mind muscle connection and tissue/tendon strength, joint health, or nervous system capable of the task, the weight isn’t goin back up. Maybe those big guys just aren’t there yet.
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I’ve seen quite a lot of bullshit from Poliquin.
Are you done yet?
I mean, seriously, guy, try harder next time. This was seriously bad and unoriginal.
This would have worked if this were 1997 and everyone here was using dial up.
You’re like…20 years too late on the approach.
That usually means you are 40+ years old.[/quote]
YOU say i’m forty. YOU swear at me. YOU mention dialup. YOU ask for proof. I’m not forty. I never swore at you. I gave you a Poliquin quote as proof and I am somehow unoriginal. Do I have to agree with everything people say in order to post
[quote]truetomuscle wrote:
Do I have to agree with everything people say in order to post
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No. But then there has to be a point to your post in the first place. Do big guys who arent world record holding powerlifters have to get stronger to live up to your expectations? the answer is and always will be NO!
[quote]Professor X wrote:
I’ve seen quite a lot of bullshit from Poliquin.
Are you done yet?
I mean, seriously, guy, try harder next time. This was seriously bad and unoriginal.
This would have worked if this were 1997 and everyone here was using dial up.
You’re like…20 years too late on the approach.
That usually means you are 40+ years old.[/quote]
True I’m afraid Charles Poliquin, while he makes valid points, he also fucks up like all other humans, much in the way that Pavel Tsatsouline says that “lifting” heavy, much in the way, powerlifters do is optimal to all other forms of lifting. Yes, low reps heavy weight makes you strong, but most people also know that low reps do almost nothing for muscle endurance, which goes a long way in a stronger body. And did you say a large individual was struggling with 225 or 2 twenty five pound plates, because now I’m confused and cannot see the nature of that being a possibility?
[quote]roybot wrote:
[quote]truetomuscle wrote:
not one person can say what strong or weak for a given weight is, but as the saying goes, I know it when I see it. [/quote]
So “not one person can say what strong or weak for a given weight is” yet you “know it when you see it”. How does that work, exactly?
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Strength = pr0n
[quote]Gl;itch.e wrote:
[quote]truetomuscle wrote:
Do I have to agree with everything people say in order to post
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No. But then there has to be a point to your post in the first place. Do big guys who arent world record holding powerlifters have to get stronger to live up to your expectations? the answer is and always will be NO![/quote]
x2. Depending on the individual, may only care about size so heavier “ego” weights may not matter. While the majority of us lift heavy for performance, or to crush PR’s and goals and know we are getting better, some people don’t. It’s all a matter of personal preference.
[quote]NinjaLEO wrote:
guys that resemble Ronnie Coleman but lift like a normal high school sophomore? [/quote]
This person doesnt exist; has never exsited; and will never exist.
Substitute “ronnie coleman” for someone 25% smaller and that person STILL doesnt exist.