A Scientific Look at Toxic Masculinity

Okay, in that case I still find it confusing that it’s supposedly cool, societally, for a woman to do that but is “toxic masculinity” for a man to do that. Haven’t heard that one either.

I think the issue is going to be less with what verbs you’re using and more with how silly it sounds every time somebody says “if a woman does x it’s fine but if a man does x…”, because they’re absolute statements that we’re supposed to just accept as true.

Edit: and my apologies for misquoting you - introducing is certainly different than imposing.

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Well, it’s not “cool”, it’s just more acceptable. But you’re right, absolutes are a problem.

No worries, I misquoted the person I quoted too lol.

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Do they still make movies about Toxic Masculinity, or movies about dudes who are or were jerks who now have to deal with the fall out? Movies like

Raging Bull
Unforgiven
American History X
Man On Fire
Heat
The Outlaw Josey Wales
The God Father II
The Professional

This was a popular movie topic when I was younger.

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I tell my wife all the time I wouldn’t trade places with her at home with the kids. I love my kids, but she’s way more patient than I.

Sound like we married similar women. Mine avoids confrontation like the plague. She’s the type you’d love to sell a used car to.

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Gary Oldman was toxic masculinity in that. I feel like Leon was somewhat nurturing in the only way he knew how. Which was masculine, but not toxic.

Couldn’t help it

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Remember Leon’s progression from emotionless killer to nurturer.

Before puppets shows and dress up he considers euthanizing Matilda in her sleep.

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Really what we’re missing in a majority of modern story telling. Characters seem to be really one dimensional now. Entire movie plots revolve around themes like, “racism is bad” or “women can do anything a man can.” Ya know, really deep stuff.

There are a few bright spots though. Anyone watch Barry?

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I think early on, Gary Oldman got done criticism for that role being over the top. Time had shown it was brilliant.

As already stated, Leon does consider killing Matilda. A pretty crazy arc for his character. Going from that to bring willing to die for her.

I love that movie though.

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This is why Better Call Saul is the best TV show I think I’ve ever seen. I can’t think of any other I’ve watched that does character development as well. Every member of the cast had so many dimensions that it makes so many other shows feel quite empty - including Breaking Bad.

Now we’ve really gone off topic.

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100%.

Mine is very traditional. Always wanted to be married and then have children and be a mom. We compliment each other’s weaknesses well. She hates confrontation unless it comes to protecting her children.

Plus she is able to handle me and love me toxic masculinity and all - which is quite a feat in itself.

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I think one of the most important criteria that a young man should look for in a wife is a woman who likes being a woman. That’s getting more rare these days.

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What about being women do women not like nowadays?

Just curious - that’s a pretty loaded statement.

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I took his comment as women not doing things traditionally thought of as female roles simply because society or feminism tells them it is sexist.

Instead of just doing what makes you and your spouse happy.

like pegging

No judgement.

Obviously loaded. The easy, non-controversial answer is something along the lines of what Bauber said. Don’t let society dictate gender roles to you; just do what makes you happy. The slightly more pointed, but also pretty bland answer is that if you want a traditional marriage, find a woman who does, too.

If you really want me to lean into the culture war, which frankly I am probably too willing to do, I think that modern feminism drives women to measure their success by their ability to compete with men in traditionally masculine pursuits. These types of women are generally going to make poor wives and mothers.

This is pretty ironic considering your previous “marry a woman who wants to be a traditional mother statement”. I agree with you though, guys really need to be honest with what qualities they actually want in a wife and choose accordingly. If they want a traditional “blue job/pink job” household, they need to find someone who will be happy to do that.

I actually didn’t say, “marry a woman who wants to be a traditional mother.” But if you want to have children, it’s probably good advice.

I think we’re probably both making assumptions about what the other means.

I think people should marry someone who has the same idea of a happy family, whether that’s an old school blue job/pink job type of thing, a power couple type of thing or whatever it is.

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