100% agree here.
There’s another side to this though, that historically people lived in much smaller communities, and there would be far greater consequences for being a douchebag. I think there may be a reason that animals with strong alpha-led hierarchies don’t typically live in really big groups.
You don’t need to behave badly, you just need to lead the way and not give the woman the opportunity to think that you are okay with her deciding. I give an example. You want to invite your colleague to lunch. You don’t say: Do you want to go to lunch,… it would be nice if we went to lunch, … how about we have lunch together, do you agree and the like. You should say: I guess you’re hungry, come with me and I’ll take you out to eat…oh hello, drop work because we’re going to lunch.
It is undisputed that she may or may not come with you in both cases, but this is how a man builds his behavior, which means that a man must impose his will, not beg and wait , whether the woman will agree.
Have you noticed that usually, in most cases, men are the ones who try to please and please the woman, and not the other way around. They start following the woman’s hobbies, they start meeting her friends, they start following her lifestyle. She likes to attend yoga classes, but the man starts too. She likes certain things, and he’s coming to terms with it. There is no problem for both of them to do what they like and there are many such families, but in many cases the women impose their lifestyle on the men, not the other way around. And men with more testosterone apparently do not allow this and look bad 
I think losing your own identity to pursue a partner is dangerous regardless of gender.
If it is true that men are disproportionately conforming to the woman, then that’s unhealthy. Has nothing to do with masculinity.
It is true, but in many cases men pursue women and do everything to be liked and approved. And many men win because women are largely pragmatic creatures and their choices are not guided by tattoos, big muscles and alpha behavior. Other women like just that.
That sounds very red pill. I don’t think it’s about “imposing his will”, it’s about being confident and assertive in decision-making. A man who struggles to make the small decisions will also struggle to make the big ones.
The whole men pleasing and building their life around a woman is not gender specific, at all. Lots of men and lots of women become extensions of their partners. People grow together. We are who we surround ourselves with. I mean damn, my girlfriend of 7 years works in horticulture, and over time I’ve learned a ton of Latin names for plants and find myself having a passive interest in the RHS. Similarly, she takes an interest in the things I’m into. People who lose their identity when they get into a relationship has more to do with the individual than the gender, the only argument that a man maybe does it more is negated by how we are typically worse at cultivating meaningful long-term friendships, leaving us with a bigger inclination to take the women’s path socially. I don’t believe that has anything to do with pleasing.
I think this is just a cultural perception thing really. Women pretend to like our cars and trucks while we pretend to like their nails and friends.
The difference is that if a woman tries pushing a man into her interests, there is culturally no problem with this (a relationship problem for sure, but no social backlash). If a man tries pushing a woman into his interests, it gets branded as “toxic masculinity”; this is not the first double standard of society though.
Men aren’t allowed to be the victims.
In reality, we should all just avoid being shitty to the people we care about, and this would never be a problem =)
Oh goody, another thread on how to “get wimmenz”. We were due another one.
I think many women like to see that a man is passionate about something. That we have a hobby or something.
I think it has to do with how it is done. See the threads about getting a GF or wife to lift / exercise. Some men do it in a toxic way, some men not so much. Some men will try to make their woman feel bad about her looks to get her to exercise. That is toxic. Some men, just want to spend that time with their SO, and focus more on having some healthy fun. Not toxic.
@ChickenLittle is that from Back to the Future 3?
No idea, it just seems appropriate.
Ya know, because women can’t think for themselves 
Until she thinks “HE CARES MORE ABOUT THAT DAMN TRUCK THAN ME”. But on a serious note, we all gotta have variation in our life. The more things we’re into, the more interesting we are as humans. As I implied earlier, it seems the internet right now seems to push the gender stuff a bit too much when it’s often down to the individual and how healthy and balanced their lives and mindset are.
I mean… we let women start making decisions and look where that has gotten us…
KIDDING lol.
My wife is extremely intelligent and makes better decisions than me most of the time. She is a finance stickler and manages the household finances. I just provide the cash. Most of her energy goes to our children and household, which I am extremely thankful for.
On another note though she is not good at confrontation (unless it is with me 
) but I don’t mind because I enjoy being an asshole and love confrontation.
Exactly. And since they are such simple animals, there is sure to be one simple “hack” that will make them instantly drop their pants. I’d be a fool to develop myself as an interesting and engaging human being with plenty to offer a potential partner when i could simply learn the life hack.
Well, some women don’t like it and think you’re an ass, but that doesn’t mean you have to give in.
There is no contradiction.
Agreed
And also want their SOs to stick around longer.
How long have you been in your current relationship?
Why wouldn’t you be okay with her deciding?
This sort of mentality sounds like it would lead to a super unhealthy power dynamic in an actual relationship.
I have never heard of any definition of toxic masculinity that had anything to do with introducing a woman to your interests. I’m super confused by this whole statement.
We’re getting into a terminology problem here. Original quote was “imposing interests”, then mine was “pushing someone into interests”, then yours was “introducing someone to your interests”.
Imposing your interests onto a partner isn’t “toxic” anything, it’s just shitty behavior - but the way “toxic masculinity” is defined these days is “when a man does something you don’t agree with”.
Introducing someone to your interests is absolutely fine and not at all toxic.
Terminology gets confusing at times; I should have worded my statement more accurately. The more I interact on this thread - the worse it gets so I’m probably just going to exit conversation =)
