'A High Protein Diet...May Make You Fatter.' (HuffPo)

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Stength4life wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
There isn’t any information in there that is factually wrong. It is just presented in a way that appeals to a different audience.

If Lowery, Berardi, or Shugart wrote the same thing and jazzed it up with their own personal style everybody who follows them would be starting logs to document their progress.
[/quote]

Bingo. That “animal protein” may just be bad for you…if by “animal protein” you mean several big sausages at about 40% fat cooked in lard and served with bacon on a bed of Mc Donald’s french fries.

Clearly, no one has ever heard of grilling food or eating lean cuts of beef.[/quote]

Do you care about your health Professor X?[/quote]

Do guys like you get a thrill out of simply bringing my name up? Do YOU care about your health? What human walking around outside of someone suicidal does NOT care about their health at all?

Being clever…how is that working out for you?[/quote]

I was just wondering my man. No need to piss thy panities. I was just thinking about how I’ve seen posts where you say that you eat fast food and you enforce alot of unconventional nutritional methods and there are alot of elite atheletes out there whom are willing to sacrifice their health for performance. It’s just a question if you are uncomfortable answering it that’s fine. I was just curious about you. I’m sorry;I really didn’t mean to offend you.

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[quote]Stength4life wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Stength4life wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
There isn’t any information in there that is factually wrong. It is just presented in a way that appeals to a different audience.

If Lowery, Berardi, or Shugart wrote the same thing and jazzed it up with their own personal style everybody who follows them would be starting logs to document their progress.
[/quote]

Bingo. That “animal protein” may just be bad for you…if by “animal protein” you mean several big sausages at about 40% fat cooked in lard and served with bacon on a bed of Mc Donald’s french fries.

Clearly, no one has ever heard of grilling food or eating lean cuts of beef.[/quote]

Do you care about your health Professor X?[/quote]

Do guys like you get a thrill out of simply bringing my name up? Do YOU care about your health? What human walking around outside of someone suicidal does NOT care about their health at all?

Being clever…how is that working out for you?[/quote]

I was just wondering my man. No need to piss thy panities. I was just thinking about how I’ve seen posts where you say that you eat fast food and you enforce alot of unconventional nutritional methods and there are alot of elite atheletes out there whom are willing to sacrifice their health for performance. It’s just a question if you are uncomfortable answering it that’s fine. I was just curious about you. I’m sorry;I really didn’t mean to offend you.[/quote]

Explain something to me. How is it people like you ignore the SEVERAL threads and posts where I write that I cook most of my food myself grilling steaks on the weekends and then vacuum sealing them…yet you seem to only selectively focus in on posts where I may write that I ate more fast food in college?

Don’t give me the bullshit that you don’t follow my posts that closely because if you truly didn’t, you wouldn’t already have this preconceived notion of my daily diet.

I have a cheat day each week right now. That may stay or go depending on results seen.

So tell me, how is it guys like you only see what you want to see?

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Stength4life wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Stength4life wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
There isn’t any information in there that is factually wrong. It is just presented in a way that appeals to a different audience.

If Lowery, Berardi, or Shugart wrote the same thing and jazzed it up with their own personal style everybody who follows them would be starting logs to document their progress.
[/quote]

Bingo. That “animal protein” may just be bad for you…if by “animal protein” you mean several big sausages at about 40% fat cooked in lard and served with bacon on a bed of Mc Donald’s french fries.

Clearly, no one has ever heard of grilling food or eating lean cuts of beef.[/quote]

Do you care about your health Professor X?[/quote]

Do guys like you get a thrill out of simply bringing my name up? Do YOU care about your health? What human walking around outside of someone suicidal does NOT care about their health at all?

Being clever…how is that working out for you?[/quote]

I was just wondering my man. No need to piss thy panities. I was just thinking about how I’ve seen posts where you say that you eat fast food and you enforce alot of unconventional nutritional methods and there are alot of elite atheletes out there whom are willing to sacrifice their health for performance. It’s just a question if you are uncomfortable answering it that’s fine. I was just curious about you. I’m sorry;I really didn’t mean to offend you.[/quote]

Explain something to me. How is it people like you ignore the SEVERAL threads and posts where I write that I cook most of my food myself grilling steaks on the weekends and then vacuum sealing them…yet you seem to only selectively focus in on posts where I may write that I ate more fast food in college?

Don’t give me the bullshit that you don’t follow my posts that closely because if you truly didn’t, you wouldn’t already have this preconceived notion of my daily diet.

I have a cheat day each week right now. That may stay or go depending on results seen.

So tell me, how is it guys like you only see what you want to see?
[/quote]

Why are you getting so defensive man? I just asked a question and instead of a simple response, you try and start a verbal war over the internet.Your writing says alot about you.You get angry and even defensive when asked the simplest question. Let’s summarsize what’s happened so far.

I asked, “Hey Proffesor X, do you care about your health?”
Your response " Do YOU care about your health> DO you just like writing my name?
Me : Well I was under THIS impression.
You: You ignore me!! Don’t act like you don’t know me!

What do you want me to say Prof? You tell me what to write to make you happy and not so passive agressive<<Hope I’m using this in the right context

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^ Your arrows confuse me. Well, that might be the late-night C++ talking. Anyways, contributing:

Let’s try reading this…

…

OH GOD I TRIED READING THIS AND I WANTED TO BARF FROM MY EYES.

It’s nothing in particular… it’s just that everything is so… so… so… uck.

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GOOD LORD, these articles are written by namby pamby “I just wanna lose a few pounds” people who use the phrase “I just wanna get toned…” and other very vanilla, in-between lines who are afraid of anything remotely related to hard work. These people need to spend the time they do RUNNING THEIR MOUTHS in the gym, under the bar, instead. Seriously. When it comes to fitness, it’s put up or SHUT THE HELL UP.

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[quote]Stength4life wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Stength4life wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]Stength4life wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]SkyzykS wrote:
There isn’t any information in there that is factually wrong. It is just presented in a way that appeals to a different audience.

If Lowery, Berardi, or Shugart wrote the same thing and jazzed it up with their own personal style everybody who follows them would be starting logs to document their progress.
[/quote]

Bingo. That “animal protein” may just be bad for you…if by “animal protein” you mean several big sausages at about 40% fat cooked in lard and served with bacon on a bed of Mc Donald’s french fries.

Clearly, no one has ever heard of grilling food or eating lean cuts of beef.[/quote]

Do you care about your health Professor X?[/quote]

Do guys like you get a thrill out of simply bringing my name up? Do YOU care about your health? What human walking around outside of someone suicidal does NOT care about their health at all?

Being clever…how is that working out for you?[/quote]

I was just wondering my man. No need to piss thy panities. I was just thinking about how I’ve seen posts where you say that you eat fast food and you enforce alot of unconventional nutritional methods and there are alot of elite atheletes out there whom are willing to sacrifice their health for performance. It’s just a question if you are uncomfortable answering it that’s fine. I was just curious about you. I’m sorry;I really didn’t mean to offend you.[/quote]

Explain something to me. How is it people like you ignore the SEVERAL threads and posts where I write that I cook most of my food myself grilling steaks on the weekends and then vacuum sealing them…yet you seem to only selectively focus in on posts where I may write that I ate more fast food in college?

Don’t give me the bullshit that you don’t follow my posts that closely because if you truly didn’t, you wouldn’t already have this preconceived notion of my daily diet.

I have a cheat day each week right now. That may stay or go depending on results seen.

So tell me, how is it guys like you only see what you want to see?
[/quote]

Why are you getting so defensive man? I just asked a question and instead of a simple response, you try and start a verbal war over the internet.Your writing says alot about you.You get angry and even defensive when asked the simplest question. Let’s summarsize what’s happened so far.

I asked, “Hey Proffesor X, do you care about your health?”
Your response " Do YOU care about your health> DO you just like writing my name?
Me : Well I was under THIS impression.
You: You ignore me!! Don’t act like you don’t know me!

What do you want me to say Prof? You tell me what to write to make you happy and not so passive agressive<<Hope I’m using this in the right context [/quote]

Right…so innocent. You just always ask “do you care about your health?” in threads completely unrelated to the topic of either myself or how I eat. By asking the question, you imply that you are asking because I do NOT care about my health, otherwise your question holds no relevance at all in a thread like this. To then ask why I would respond the way I did is ridiculous.

If you were simply asking a neutral innocent question, you would have instead asked how I eat and would have done so outside of this thread.

You didn’t.

You assumed. You were also dead wrong.

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[quote]MarvelGirl wrote:
Most uppity vegetarians I meet are shocked to find out what I actually eat. They seem to assume all meat eaters live on Whoppers and meat lover’s pizzas. In fact, they usually eat more processed foods and things like cake, cookies and candies in a month than I do in an entire year.

Non-uppity vegetarians are smart enough to understand that some meat eaters do not survive on fast food. [/quote]

Yep, they confuse one crappy diet with another crappy diet. My wife works with a big buffalo who is a vegan. Except for the over a fifth of vodka she drinks every weekend.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
I think it should be pretty clear by now that too much of anything is bad for you, um, except protein of course, you can’t possibly have too much protein. Regardless of how much you consume it will always be good for you. Yes, that makes complete sense, we can all sleep tonight knowing this.

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I am open to whatever studies you can find done on healthy regular weight lifters who train 4-8 hours a week or more showing protein to be detrimental to health in and of itself.[/quote]

I’d be open to any studies that you can produce which demonstrates that consuming triple and quadruple the recommended grams of protein per day is healthy for the kidney’s and the body in general. When you’re done with this I have other questions for you.

As I’ve said before on many threads like this one, I’m not a vegatarian and wouldn’t even consider such a diet. But, consuming too much of anything is usually bad for you. You can try it with carbs, calories, candy, Vitamins, name it. But for some reason certain die hard lifters such as yourself feel compelled to defend the overconsumption of protein as being the mecca of muscledom. It’s sort of funny to me at this point.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
I think it should be pretty clear by now that too much of anything is bad for you, um, except protein of course, you can’t possibly have too much protein. Regardless of how much you consume it will always be good for you. Yes, that makes complete sense, we can all sleep tonight knowing this.

[/quote]

I am open to whatever studies you can find done on healthy regular weight lifters who train 4-8 hours a week or more showing protein to be detrimental to health in and of itself.[/quote]

I’d be open to any studies that you can produce which demonstrates that consuming triple and quadruple the recommended grams of protein per day is healthy for the kidney’s and the body in general. When you’re done with this I have other questions for you.

As I’ve said before on many threads like this one, I’m not a vegatarian and wouldn’t even consider such a diet. But, consuming too much of anything is usually bad for you. You can try it with carbs, calories, candy, Vitamins, name it. But for some reason certain die hard lifters such as yourself feel compelled to defend the overconsumption of protein as being the mecca of muscledom. It’s sort of funny to me at this point.[/quote]

Wait, me telling people to eat at least 1gr to 2gr per pound of body weight counts as “overconsumption of protein” to you? I am actually one of the people here who does NOT overdose on protein. Sometimes when gaining, I am only getting about 350gr a day…and that was at a body weight of over 280lbs. I only increase protein drastically WHEN DIETING.

If anything is funny here, it is your assumption that everyone on this board is simply only focusing on protein…when the truth is, my posts have done no such thing.

So tell me, Zeb, why the false accusation?

This isn’t the political forum…and you seem a bit rusty from times in the past when we debated.

I do not doubt that someone can take “too much protein”, however, you have a lot of explaining to do in order to make that limit within 1-2gr per pound of body weight in a healthy weightlifter.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
I think it should be pretty clear by now that too much of anything is bad for you, um, except protein of course, you can’t possibly have too much protein. Regardless of how much you consume it will always be good for you. Yes, that makes complete sense, we can all sleep tonight knowing this.

[/quote]

I am open to whatever studies you can find done on healthy regular weight lifters who train 4-8 hours a week or more showing protein to be detrimental to health in and of itself.[/quote]

I’d be open to any studies that you can produce which demonstrates that consuming triple and quadruple the recommended grams of protein per day is healthy for the kidney’s and the body in general. When you’re done with this I have other questions for you.

As I’ve said before on many threads like this one, I’m not a vegatarian and wouldn’t even consider such a diet. But, consuming too much of anything is usually bad for you. You can try it with carbs, calories, candy, Vitamins, name it. But for some reason certain die hard lifters such as yourself feel compelled to defend the overconsumption of protein as being the mecca of muscledom. It’s sort of funny to me at this point.[/quote]

Wait, me telling people to eat at least 1gr to 2gr per pound of body weight counts as “overconsumption of protein” to you? I am actually one of the people here who does NOT overdose on protein. Sometimes when gaining, I am only getting about 350gr a day…and that was at a body weight of over 280lbs. I only increase protein drastically WHEN DIETING.

If anything is funny here, it is your assumption that everyone on this board is simply only focusing on protein…when the truth is, my posts have done no such thing.

So tell me, Zeb, why the false accusation?

This isn’t the political forum…and you seem a bit rusty from times in the past when we debated.

I do not doubt that someone can take “too much protein”, however, you have a lot of explaining to do in order to make that limit within 1-2gr per pound of body weight in a healthy weightlifter.[/quote]

He actually didn’t specify how much HE thought was too much. I would be shocked if he thought 1 or 1.5 was too much though. I can see some on here saying 2 is too much, but ZEBBY does like to argue, so I suspect he was just baiting you. I agree with him a little, I mean I think if an average 200lb male who worked out 3-4 times per week were to say consume 1,000 grams of protein per day, I could see it leading to some problems. I don’t claim to know what that would lead too, aside from not being able to have a bowel movement. Also it becomes increasingly hard to sustain such a high protein intake. I mean if your average shake has 50 grams, 20 shakes per day is going to get old really fast. Or 10 shakes added to a high meat diet, either way it’s probably nearly impossible to get too much protein from a practical standpoint.

The only problem I have with people who say too much protein is bad for you are those who think eating 1 gram pr lb/bw or more is going to make you OD. I think anything above 1 and probably below 2 is a good range to stay muscular and healthy. Of course those are just guidelines and people react differently so in the end, it’s trial and error to achieve your goals.

V

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

[quote]ZEB wrote:
I think it should be pretty clear by now that too much of anything is bad for you, um, except protein of course, you can’t possibly have too much protein. Regardless of how much you consume it will always be good for you. Yes, that makes complete sense, we can all sleep tonight knowing this.

[/quote]

I am open to whatever studies you can find done on healthy regular weight lifters who train 4-8 hours a week or more showing protein to be detrimental to health in and of itself.[/quote]

I’d be open to any studies that you can produce which demonstrates that consuming triple and quadruple the recommended grams of protein per day is healthy for the kidney’s and the body in general. When you’re done with this I have other questions for you.

As I’ve said before on many threads like this one, I’m not a vegatarian and wouldn’t even consider such a diet. But, consuming too much of anything is usually bad for you. You can try it with carbs, calories, candy, Vitamins, name it. But for some reason certain die hard lifters such as yourself feel compelled to defend the overconsumption of protein as being the mecca of muscledom. It’s sort of funny to me at this point.

Wait, me telling people to eat at least 1gr to 2gr per pound of body weight counts as “overconsumption of protein” to you?[/quote]

If you think it’s health for a grown man to consume 2 grams of protein per pound of bw then go right on saying it. But, wait do you have any studies which demonstrate that that amount of protein does not have a deleterious effect on the body? No, but at least the persons biceps might get a little bigger and after all we must have priorities.

I guess it’s all about perspective isn’t it?

[quote]
If anything is funny here, it is your assumption that everyone on this board is simply only focusing on protein…when the truth is, my posts have done no such thing.[/quote]

It’s threads like this that you come charging in with your particular take on protein. When all I originally stated was that there is probably a danger in the over consumption of whatever the product might be, including protein.

You’ve proven that the"accusation" is in fact true by your very presence on this thread attacking me for claiming that over consumption of almost anything is a bad thing. Think about that my friend.

The fact that you think you’ve detected something that is not there means that you are the one who might be slipping.

I’m not sure what the point of overconsumption is, but here’s the really fun part, NEITHER DO YOU. I make my assumptions from what I’ve seen in nature in addition to what science can bring to the table. Really, my argument is not that difficult to understand, overconsumption is never a good thing regarding any substance including water.

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

If you think it’s health for a grown man to consume 2 grams of protein per pound of bw then go right on saying it. But, wait do you have any studies which demonstrate that that amount of protein does not have a deleterious effect on the body? No, but at least the persons biceps might get a little bigger and after all we must have priorities.[/quote]

You are being ridiculous. I have a solid background in biology. One thing I know for sure is that science is far from having all things biological understood. That is why RULES that were once held as scientific “facts” (like eggs are bad for you and increase cholesterol directly) are so often changing.

If you plan to live your life waiting on a study to inform you of what you can or can not do, you will need to wait about 200 more years for more studies to be conducted and then maybe another 50 on top of that to put it to use in the general population before you can act.

Good luck with that. See you in 250 years, Zeb.

[quote]

I guess it’s all about perspective isn’t it?[/quote]

Uh, not really. I know it has helped me reach a goal because I arrived at that amount through trial and error.

Are you really debating something like “life extension” nonsense?

[quote]

It’s threads like this that you come charging in with your particular take on protein. When all I originally stated was that there is probably a danger in the over consumption of whatever the product might be, including protein.[/quote]

“Probably” is a very different word than “IS”. One is an assumption on your part.

[quote]S
You’ve proven that the"accusation" is in fact true by your very presence on this thread attacking me for claiming that over consumption of almost anything is a bad thing. Think about that my friend.[/quote]

I attacked you? I actually stated that while there may be a limit, you would be hard pressed to find that limit t be within 1-2gr per pound of body weight…a statement I still stand by. Why would I worry about something like that when there has been no scientific finding to tell me that a healthy weightlifter will become UNhealthy by eating like that?

[quote]

The fact that you think you’ve detected something that is not there means that you are the one who might be slipping. [/quote]

Doubtful.

Once again, how the hell have you arrived at what “overconsumption” is?

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As a former lurker, I would like to take an opportunity to chime in here. I’m gonna have to backup prof. X on this one (not that he needs my help).

As a masters student of exercise physiology, I’m often told by older professors that “protein requirements are generally pretty low” and that it essentially boils down to “expensive urine.”

However, it’s important to understand where most of this information comes from (including the information from the OP’s source):

  1. Back in the 70s and 80s there were a handful of guys who did some research. They noticed that excess protein caused the kidneys to work a little more to expel the nitrogen. They came to a false conclusion that because the kidneys had to work harder, it was bad.

  2. These researchers all wrote the books at that time. They cited each other, making the only real sources at the time all indicating protein was bad. This led to the majority of students (now teachers) being taught that excess protein was bad.

  3. Correlation does not equal causation: By this I mean that largely, the studies done on high protein diets in the past had to be done with high-fat meats, as protein powder was not practical for studies. Also, many studies were done via survey. Not a controlled test, where subjects may have also been eating OTHER things. This excess fat may have contributed to the “high protein diets are bad for your heart and cholesterol” myth that jumps around everywhere.

  4. Currently, the NSCA recommendations for athletes undergoing heavy resistance training programs are 2g/kg and up. The limit is ambiguous.

  5. The only real caution against high levels of protein intake involve the kidneys. The only real danger is if the kidney is already damaged or failing. As obvious, activity level would be contraindicated for a failing kidney.

In conclusion, sources recommending low protein levels are outdated and initially flawed. Heavy lifters need a lot of protein. It’s unlikely that protein is the source of heart disease or bad health, rather high fat diets that may accompany high protein diets.

All of my sources for this information come from classroom lectures, biochemistry textbooks, and NSCA’s essentials textbook (3rd ed.).

-B

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Had my Division Surgeon tell me that excess protein turns directly into fat during a meeting to start a health program for my Div HHC- somehow I got volunteered. After laughing loud enough to be heard when he said this I talked to him one on one. I asked him how protein transitions into fat and is not just processed out of the body through waste expulsion. Guy claims he actually has no clue and just got all the information off a website somewhere; come to find out the Division Surgeon is an optometrist but was still up there claiming to be a health expert.

Morale of the story: Don’t take someone’s advice to heart just because they are a Medical Doctor and claim to be an expert, they might specialize in assholes.

  • just my two cents, I am no expert either.
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[quote]barbarianlifter wrote:
Had my Division Surgeon tell me that excess protein turns directly into fat during a meeting to start a health program for my Div HHC- somehow I got volunteered. After laughing loud enough to be heard when he said this I talked to him one on one. I asked him how protein transitions into fat and is not just processed out of the body through waste expulsion. Guy claims he actually has no clue and just got all the information off a website somewhere; come to find out the Division Surgeon is an optometrist but was still up there claiming to be a health expert.

Morale of the story: Don’t take someone’s advice to heart just because they are a Medical Doctor and claim to be an expert, they might specialize in assholes.

I am no expert either. [/quote]

Clearly. You’re also kind of a dick, to be honest.

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[quote]Bushong wrote:
As a former lurker, I would like to take an opportunity to chime in here. I’m gonna have to backup prof. X on this one (not that he needs my help).

As a masters student of exercise physiology, I’m often told by older professors that “protein requirements are generally pretty low” and that it essentially boils down to “expensive urine.”

However, it’s important to understand where most of this information comes from (including the information from the OP’s source):

  1. Back in the 70s and 80s there were a handful of guys who did some research. They noticed that excess protein caused the kidneys to work a little more to expel the nitrogen. They came to a false conclusion that because the kidneys had to work harder, it was bad.

  2. These researchers all wrote the books at that time. They cited each other, making the only real sources at the time all indicating protein was bad. This led to the majority of students (now teachers) being taught that excess protein was bad.

  3. Correlation does not equal causation: By this I mean that largely, the studies done on high protein diets in the past had to be done with high-fat meats, as protein powder was not practical for studies. Also, many studies were done via survey. Not a controlled test, where subjects may have also been eating OTHER things. This excess fat may have contributed to the “high protein diets are bad for your heart and cholesterol” myth that jumps around everywhere.

  4. Currently, the NSCA recommendations for athletes undergoing heavy resistance training programs are 2g/kg and up. The limit is ambiguous.

  5. The only real caution against high levels of protein intake involve the kidneys. The only real danger is if the kidney is already damaged or failing. As obvious, activity level would be contraindicated for a failing kidney.

In conclusion, sources recommending low protein levels are outdated and initially flawed. Heavy lifters need a lot of protein. It’s unlikely that protein is the source of heart disease or bad health, rather high fat diets that may accompany high protein diets.

All of my sources for this information come from classroom lectures, biochemistry textbooks, and NSCA’s essentials textbook (3rd ed.).

-B[/quote]

great post. as far as number 5 goes, there are a few other problems that have been found besides the kidneys. a study a few years ago found that IGF-1 levels increased to a point where not only healthy cells, but mutated (cancerous) cells began to grow due to the high levels of IGF-1. this however was found at diets consiting of 5g per lb of body weight of protein. I doubt there are too many people consuming that much protein in any given day.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:

Once again, how the hell have you arrived at what “overconsumption” is?
[/quote]

I think that’s a fair question. I look to nature for starters, if there were no such thing as protein supplements how much protein do you think that one man could eat in a day? Give me your thoughts on this, I’m curious.

A better question would be how do you know that 2, 3, or 4 grams per bodyweight is not overconsuming protein? I know those figures are touted on many BB sites, but what makes them correct? I hope you’re not basing any of your supplement decisions on “studies” sponsored by supplement companies. No you’re smarter than that I’m sure. So, what are you basing your 2 grams per pound of bodyweight recommendation on?

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[quote]ZEB wrote:

[quote]Professor X wrote:

Once again, how the hell have you arrived at what “overconsumption” is?
[/quote]

I think that’s a fair question. I look to nature for starters, if there were no such thing as protein supplements how much protein do you think that one man could eat in a day? Give me your thoughts on this, I’m curious.[/quote]

Up to or over 3-5lbs of beef easily for a big guy getting him well over 300-500gr of protein. Think about something, Dear Zeb…there were no refrigerators thousands of years ago and all of that Tyrannosaurus meat is going to ROT if they don’t shovel it down in a hurry.

That is why our bodies store fat for times of “famine”…God/nature understood that food would come in large amounts and then there would be drought for a while.

I doubt ancient man was worrying that he might eat too much steak at one sitting. So again, if I can easily eat 3lbs of steak in a day (as I do often), I would bet that if I knew I wouldn’t be ating for another week, that I could nearly double that.

[quote]

A better question would be how do you know that 2, 3, or 4 grams per bodyweight is not overconsuming protein?[/quote]

I don’t. I also don’t know if a comet will ram into the backside of my car while in rush hour traffic tomorrow…and it makes about as much sense to worry about both.

My own experiences over the last more than 15 years at this. I know I am seeing even better progress now with even greater protein intake. I am also not foolish enough to think I will live forever so worrying about whether something MIGHT be too much when I have seen no scientific or personal evidence of harm is a waste of the short life I have been given.

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Water and Oxygen are also bad for you at certain points, so we should all stop breathing and drinking.(I know this is a huge logical fallacy but it seemed fitting to argue irrationality with irrationality)

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As I recall, Eskimos ate ONLY protein and fat. LOTS of it. It was only when introduced to a “civilized” diet (carb-laden, processed foods) did they suffer the diseases of “civilized” man.