[quote]setto222 wrote:
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
I actually enjoyed the crossfit football workouts when I was doing them. The more I listen to Glassman though I just start to hate all things that he touches. The other thing that pisses me off is how he acts like he came up with some revolutionary concept. I mean every guy that has played a sport has done lots of conditioning work and speed/agility drills. That is all Crossfit is. They took basic cross training principals, added some stupid stuff (high rep olympic lifts, kipping pullups, etc), programmed it horribly and stuck a brand on it. Its like saying the NFL today is a different sport than it was 25 years ago. Same sport just dumber rules.[/quote]
CFFB is a well programmed periodized approach to strength training and sport specific conditioning. Glassman never touched it. Adding “crossfit” to a website tends to increase the popularity exponentially. The problem is that people automatically look at the word “crossfit” and assume it’s the same shitty stuff from back in the infancy of the program.
I personally enjoy CF because it’s fun! I am 100% aware that a consistent approach to conditioning will give me better results but I kind of enjoy not knowing my my workouts for the rest of the week will be like. I don’t pay to go to a CF gym, I get all the stuff for free on their affiliate sites and I enjoy competing in the “comments” sections with other. It seems a heck of a lot more fun to me than just comparing my bench or 1 mile run times with others.
But here’s the thing: it’s a “heck of a lot more fun” for me. NOT necessarily for others. So I shut my fucking mouth when people talk about their preferred way to train. CF is absolutely not the best, the same way that hockey isn’t the best sport. It’s just what some people prefer.
As for the Glassman bullshit about being great in every facet of fitness and being more effective than BB+steroids (hahahah)it’s ridiculous. However there is something to be said about it:
A CFer should be better at squatting than a marathon runner, but worse than a PLer or a BBer.
A CFer should be better at long distance running than a PLer, but worse than a marathon runner.
Ideally it should make you a jack of all trades and a master of none. And guess what? I’m totally fine with that!
Finally, [/quote]
CFFB is so far away from the origional crossfit it is laughable. Welbourn just keeps the name for marketing, there is no other reason.
I am all for working out for the fun of it, any way you want to move. I have no problem with the crossfit program mostly. Its just Glassman. CFFB and CFoneworld seem to have solid approaches to programming.
On a side note: Do any upper level Crossfitters compete in the Ninja Challenge? That seems like it would be right up their alley.
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
I am all for working out for the fun of it, any way you want to move. I have no problem with the crossfit program mostly. Its just Glassman. CFFB and CFoneworld seem to have solid approaches to programming.
On a side note: Do any upper level Crossfitters compete in the Ninja Challenge? That seems like it would be right up their alley.[/quote]
Freddy at one world is awesome…but even he got a public bitch slap from HQ when he called a foul that affiliates were going in right across the street from him.
I know that several have tried to get into the Ninja challange, they did not make the cut. If Glassman was correct nobody BUT a crossfitter should ever win it.
So he moved the goalposts once again by inventing a “sport” that only his people could win.
He is a damn troll genius.
Maybe if they actually did a pull up every now and then they might could do it. I can see a limited benefit to the kip technique but only after gaining solid pullup strength. Outside of technique practice the kip is kinda useless.
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
Maybe if they actually did a pull up every now and then they might could do it. I can see a limited benefit to the kip technique but only after gaining solid pullup strength. Outside of technique practice the kip is kinda useless.[/quote]
Yeah most affiliate owners I know don’t really advocate the kip. Whenever I’m doing a CF workout I tend to just cut the pull ups in half and do them strict. Kipping just seems way too ballistic to me.
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
If you feel like doing a little reading then here is how HQ really seems to feel about being contradicted and how “open source” Glassman’s policy really is.
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I’ve read some stories as to what happens if you contradict the Glassman Manifesto, but it seems to be limited mainly during certs and seminars put on by HQ. As a practical matter, Glassman cannot possibly police all of the affiliates, so unless they say or do something completely out of line, the programming is up to them. It’s one thing to post something on your affiliate site about how high rep Olympic lifts are moronic, it’s another to just keep quiet but never write a WOD with an Olympic lift over 5 reps.
[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
If you feel like doing a little reading then here is how HQ really seems to feel about being contradicted and how “open source” Glassman’s policy really is.
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I’ve read some stories as to what happens if you contradict the Glassman Manifesto, but it seems to be limited mainly during certs and seminars put on by HQ. As a practical matter, Glassman cannot possibly police all of the affiliates, so unless they say or do something completely out of line, the programming is up to them. It’s one thing to post something on your affiliate site about how high rep Olympic lifts are moronic, it’s another to just keep quiet but never write a WOD with an Olympic lift over 5 reps.[/quote]
But he has his crack HQ team of the Russell’s/Castro/Budding and Dale Saran policing the social media sphere, throwing down the Banhammer whenever possible.
Example A.
[quote]MikeTheBear wrote:
[quote]bpick86 wrote:
If you feel like doing a little reading then here is how HQ really seems to feel about being contradicted and how “open source” Glassman’s policy really is.
[/quote]
I’ve read some stories as to what happens if you contradict the Glassman Manifesto, but it seems to be limited mainly during certs and seminars put on by HQ. As a practical matter, Glassman cannot possibly police all of the affiliates, so unless they say or do something completely out of line, the programming is up to them. It’s one thing to post something on your affiliate site about how high rep Olympic lifts are moronic, it’s another to just keep quiet but never write a WOD with an Olympic lift over 5 reps.[/quote]
I understand that it is his company and if he beleives in a certain methodology thats great. But if you bash everyone who contradicts your thought process publicly then you cant exactly say you have an open mind. By what he says you would think that he would be cool with open discussion about differing training views, however his actions and character assassinations of people, like Dan John for gods sake, that disagree with him tell an entirely different story.
[quote]farmerson12 wrote:
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
I have been doing CF about 2-3 times a week and 2-3 times a week of 5/3/1 strength training for the past 18 months. (Long story) its in my log in the over 35.
And thanks CT for being the second person to respond in this thread so it did not go all hater. [/quote]
Pfff…crossfitter…[/quote]
Lol.
Packer fan pffff
For the record I mod 90% of the workouts, #1 I increase the weight on all workouts, I could give two shits on time, I use strict form and just work on not stopping or decrease my rest time. #2 I don’t do Kipping pull-ups or much body weight work, mine are all barbell, dumbbell or KB work.
I think to myself what would Alpha do here? Plus after 25 years of weight training I’m not a fucking retard and know what is stupid. Good thing is the place I go I put my power rack in and they leave me alone to do what I want.
As soon as you realize that CF isn’t going to give you an incredible physique in a very short amount of time, it becomes a lot more fun. This is probably the main reason you don’t often see it praised or even somewhat respected on BB websites.
Meh, it can be fun and if you find the right place that is not drinking the koolaid can be good team lifting experience. I am to much of a loner to do a lot of the competitive stuff, but I have dropped from 260 to 205. Yes my lifts dropped, but so has my cholesterol and BP
[quote]Derek542 wrote:
Meh, it can be fun and if you find the right place that is not drinking the koolaid can be good team lifting experience. I am to much of a loner to do a lot of the competitive stuff, but I have dropped from 260 to 205. Yes my lifts dropped, but so has my cholesterol and BP[/quote]
The team aspect is what makes it so damn popular…it becomes a very family like atmosphere, which is addicting.
[quote]setto222 wrote:
As soon as you realize that CF isn’t going to give you an incredible physique in a very short amount of time, it becomes a lot more fun. This is probably the main reason you don’t often see it praised or even somewhat respected on BB websites. [/quote]
I still like it better than cardio if someone wants to add a little something to his training to lose fat.
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
[quote]setto222 wrote:
As soon as you realize that CF isn’t going to give you an incredible physique in a very short amount of time, it becomes a lot more fun. This is probably the main reason you don’t often see it praised or even somewhat respected on BB websites. [/quote]
I still like it better than cardio if someone wants to add a little something to his training to lose fat.
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Any suggestions on a good way to incorporate it to lose fat? Why not stick with basic barbell complexes instead of a WOD?
So wait
We established here that is good when:
- We remove the high rep olympic lifts
- We don’t train for the most amount of crappy reps for the sake of time
- We program properly
- We use the basic lifts
- We use stricter form
- We don’t chiefly use kipping
What makes this “Crossfit”? What makes this different than anything else?
[quote]IFlashBack wrote:
So wait
We established here that is good when:
- We remove the high rep olympic lifts
- We don’t train for the most amount of crappy reps for the sake of time
- We program properly
- We use the basic lifts
- We use stricter form
- We don’t chiefly use kipping
What makes this “Crossfit”? What makes this different than anything else? [/quote]
They slap the name crossfit on it for branding purposes which puts money in glassman and hq pockets. Plus like others said the team/group atmosphere which people gravitate towards especially those who are new to fitness.
[quote]Tomahawk007 wrote:
[quote]IFlashBack wrote:
So wait
We established here that is good when:
- We remove the high rep olympic lifts
- We don’t train for the most amount of crappy reps for the sake of time
- We program properly
- We use the basic lifts
- We use stricter form
- We don’t chiefly use kipping
What makes this “Crossfit”? What makes this different than anything else? [/quote]
They slap the name crossfit on it for branding purposes which puts money in glassman and hq pockets. Plus like others said the team/group atmosphere which people gravitate towards especially those who are new to fitness.[/quote]
It also puts money in the pocket of the guy who owns the gym, by having a brand it brings people in. Plus would you rather bring “soccer moms” into Planet Fitness or a crossfit gym?
[quote]Christian Thibaudeau wrote:
[quote]setto222 wrote:
As soon as you realize that CF isn’t going to give you an incredible physique in a very short amount of time, it becomes a lot more fun. This is probably the main reason you don’t often see it praised or even somewhat respected on BB websites. [/quote]
I still like it better than cardio if someone wants to add a little something to his training to lose fat.
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If you see this CT would like your opinion on something.
What is your opinion on Turkish Get ups? I will do them very, very rarely when I am just to sore from all the heavy lifting and need a little break.
[quote]IFlashBack wrote:
So wait
We established here that is good when:
- We remove the high rep olympic lifts
- We don’t train for the most amount of crappy reps for the sake of time
- We program properly
- We use the basic lifts
- We use stricter form
- We don’t chiefly use kipping
What makes this “Crossfit”? What makes this different than anything else? [/quote]
The family/team atmosphere…most good “boxes” have their own programming anyway…they just keep paying the affiliate fees for all the free Reebok/Crossfit Games pub.