So anyways, here’s a couple Muslims whose opinions I wish were more common among the Islamists.
I reckon their rational, honest take is met with hostility by a good many amount of Muslims.
@squating_bear I would be very interested in how you view the opinion of these gentlemen I posted above.
I mean genuine interest, I’m not trying to attack you for your views or anything.
That is misleading because Indonesia is the country with the highest number of Muslims in it and it is also the country with the highest percent of Muslims in it.
It is very culturally diverse because it has thousands of islands.
False
Never, huh? I thought I had read on here that the Romans did to spite the Jews
I am asking you for the second time now.
Why was The Jewish Agency for Israel (Hebrew: הסוכנות היהודית לארץ ישראל, romanized: HaSochnut HaYehudit L’Eretz Yisra’el), formerly known as the Jewish Agency for Palestine ,[5]
Why the name change?
huh?
I didn’t even ask you that.
By this logic there’s no such thing as a New Yorker either.
Never was a such thing as a Native American.
No.
Your proof would not be absolute, it would be a process of changing levels of confidence.
I condemn rapes and individual rapists, but not the whole of Hamas.
No, I highly doubt that I would, but I might condemn acts of cruelty themselves. I say might because I doubt I would position myself to function so clearly in alignment with Israeli propaganda. On the other hand performing excusefullness for most of my brothers might require not making excuses for some.
I doubt that you even fully believe what you’re saying because you just called them Palestinians. It’s also like saying a person can’t be a New Yorker and an American at the same time.
Yeah I can agree with that. I guess I should have said there’s not an exact age that marks the real line for everyone.
No region of the brain are fully mature until it ceases to exist
I’m not sure but Muhammad (saw) was definitely older than 40. That’s probably enough information for your purposes so I doubt there’s much value in looking it up
The world has changed a lot in the last 150 years or so. I personally remember myself getting boners and enjoyment from humping the floor at a young age. I’m thinking like 5, 6, 7 years old. It doesn’t seem odd that a 9 year old could have been ready - to my understanding that was within normal throughout most of human history before the Industrial Revolution. And people’s image of normal development in a 100 years may such that they would think your numbers are cruel and abusive.
I believe Aisha (ra) was the luckiest woman to walk the face of the earth. She got the highest status male without stress or effort. She seems to have thought and felt that he (saw) was great to her. She loved being his (saw) favorite wife. No woman has or will have it better, in my view. When many people hear the number it comes as a shock but that doesn’t make it cruel, unjust, abusive, etc. Is a number all there is, or do qualities matter?
People get way more calories and are bigger today too. Taller, bigger bones, everything.
She got? She was taken. The idea that some 4 year old got a middle aged man is ridiculous. She seduced him? She did something to attract him? Was she a great conversationalist?
Highest status male? He was a thief, liar, murderer, slave trader, false prophet and all around scumbag.
They are referring to the british mandate. Wherein the British controlled the TERRITORY of Palestine (not the country).
And it was governed by the british. Jews, christians and muslims all lived under the mandate
Before then the entire territory was a part of the Ottoman empire
When I say Palestine I refer to the recognition of the territory as a country that has its own independent government.
Even today Palestine doesn’t have its own UNIFIED government. It’s de facto rules by different factions depending on the territory.
In 1988 the PLO announced the country of Palestines presence to the world during a meeting in Algeria. The flag of Palestine wasn’t created until around 1964.
There was an attempt to make Palestine its own country in 1948. It didn’t come to fruition.
The concept of a Palestine existed before then… but it wasn’t its own country
The initial Palestine was “a territory owned by the British”.
The british called the mandate “the British mandate of Palestine”
But what if you grew up in the 70s, when carpeted floors were in fashion? I suppose they provided just the right ammount of friction for a young muslim boy to get a boner.
Come to think of it, the word I use for carpet actually comes from the old Arabic word Al-katifa, so it might be a custom from way back to hump your floor.
I dunno about you, but I’m getting all my floor carpeted now.
No.
Now, for the third time - are you Christian?
For the first time - are you Islamophobic?
Are you in a groomer gang?
The first video:
On the main issue, the video didn’t use this exact phrase, but it’s essentially saying that Israel has a right to exist because Jews belong to that land.
It’s not the same to say that Jews belong to that land as it is to say that land belongs to the Jews. I think he gets that wrong.
I agree that he is correct on the fundamental issue. That question is the fundamental issue. I don’t think Hamas or anyone is morally obligated to reach his same conclusion.
The second video - In the beginning I am not familiar with who they are talking about.
Around 2:50 I’m not sure what he is trying to communicate. I can see why I could have a problem with it.
There’s several hadith that quote Muhammad (saw) saying to his Companions that they should not fast all the way through combining a day, not eating or drinking anything, continuing all through the night, and then doing it again the next day. I’m not sure how many times in a row. He (saw) said to his Companions that they should not copy him in this at all - basically saying that God Almighty gives him (saw) special strength. They should break their fast at night.
Then there’s other Hadith that describe Muhammad (saw) tying rope around his (saw) waist to help handle extreme hunger. The person in your video seems to imply by his tone of voice and body language that these are contradictory. I can see why that would be a problem. I don’t see a contradiction. I might not be getting his intent however
I notice a skip at 3:15. The video towards the beginning mentions complaint about people skipping videos to put a false context.
Another few skips around 3:23
Around 4:00 I don’t know what hadith he is talking about, and I don’t know what people are saying that he takes issue with. His logic for falsifying that hadith makes sense to me, but I don’t have enough information to agree.
At around 5:00 he seems to step pretty deep into Nafs Lawama. I’ve been deeper than what he seemed to show, so I don’t think ill of him for having gone their, within himself. However, that’s not good to be broadcasting to the public. If he can speak like that directly in private to the (presumably large number of) individuals he thinks need to hear it - it would be MUCH better.
He continues going deeper into Nafs Lawama up until the end. I do agree with the basic idea of his last few sentences, but in my experience it’s expecting too much from people to heed my warnings after I’ve blasted on them thoroughly in public. The one’s who really need to hear it have tended to change the channel by then - figuratively speaking, yet pun intended. To have the difficult conversations in private one on one is the way out in my experience.
I believe it would be better for him to hold the anger in until he can’t - and then give his criticisms more precisely where they belong.
It’s not the grand solution to all the Muslims problems for all of us to take his words as gospel while deflating all of the views of all of the other Islamic scholars. I know he didn’t say that but it’s a potential effect. The way out I described doesn’t allow for that possibility. I can see why people would have big problems with him, but I don’t. I probably would if he was hugely popular in my circles and I had to keep hearing other’s parroting his complaints about 90% of Islamic scholars.
I believe he will make it to heaven eventually but he underestimates how much hellishness he’s got in front of him to go through first. May God Almighty guide myself, himself and yourself (say Ameen)
What is Nafs Lawama? I don’t think everybody needs a Sufi shaykh, I am not promoting this group, but I like this article. It’s long, so no worries if you don’t read it. It shares parallels with some of my experiences
Thank you for your answer.
To be honest, I have some difficulty following your reasoning. Not saying it’s your fault, perhaps it’s my reading comprehension that’s failing me, since English isn’t my first language. But I do have problems to really understand what you’re saying most of the times.
I’m not sure I get you.
Let’s say someone states that murdering and raping people is morally wrong. I’m sure you’d agree with such statement. Would you not think that Hamas or anyone is morally obligated to reach this same conclusion?
I’ll give this a go when I have abit more time and get back to you.