Just by curiosity till how much weight can you kick the dumbells off your knees?
I understand AA is 100lbs…
I did 80s once but couldnt kick them off my knees, needed help to get them up.
[quote]Hanley wrote:
Amsterdam Animal wrote:
Ok Yoda. I do them seated. Try running into me when I am standing up and see what happens.
Post of the thread.[/quote]
Not at all.
What if someone AA’s size ran into him who did them standing?
Its not the persons size that’s relevant, its the qualities gained from the standing press that is.
I think it is different for everyone. I am tall as well so the DB’s need to be kicked up higher. I guess my point is that if you cant savely kick them up, why risk it? I am sure I could kick up over 100’s but whats the benefit? I have been in this game a long time and rather play it safe and have someone had me one.
Another point is, why waste energy struggling to kick up heavy DB’s? I rather save that and get an extra rep.
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[quote]hit the gym wrote:
Just by curiosity till how much weight can you kick the dumbells off your knees?
I understand AA is 100lbs…
I did 80s once but couldnt kick them off my knees, needed help to get them up.[/quote]
[quote]supermick wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Amsterdam Animal wrote:
Ok Yoda. I do them seated. Try running into me when I am standing up and see what happens.
Post of the thread.
Not at all.
What if someone AA’s size ran into him who did them standing?
Its not the persons size that’s relevant, its the qualities gained from the standing press that is.
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It was just funny man!!
From what I remember reading of coffee’s other posts he’s a pretty strong guy like!
[quote]tGunslinger wrote:
NeoSpartan wrote:
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Since its been my experience, when I targeted my abs and shoulders at different times yes they both got stronger. BUT, when I tried to shoulder press standing (a movement where your torso needs to stabalize itself + the weight) all that “targeted training” didn’t do jack.
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My experience has been the exact opposite.
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Thats pretty wild man…
So I did them seated and it wasnt what i expected. I did 90x5. Thats what i can do standing. I cant go heavier seated because I always do them standing. So im gonna take a few weeks and push that number up and see what that does for me.
Good work still bro. Hopefully what it does for you is add some more size to your delts!
[quote]coffee wrote:
So I did them seated and it wasnt what i expected. I did 90x5. Thats what i can do standing. I cant go heavier seated because I always do them standing. So im gonna take a few weeks and push that number up and see what that does for me.
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The seated Vs Standing argument is kinda redundant… There’s room for both but for ‘athletic purposes’ and/or ‘functional hypertrophy’ standing, push press or braced semi-supinated shoulder press would be better.
If your main concern is size/strength however I think the “you can do more seated so its better” is kind of a retarded statement because to me that equates to someone saying “i never do snatch grip deadlifts because I can lift more with a conventional/sumo deadlift”
They just train different neurological pathways so in accordance to an accumulation/intensification type training for hypertrophy what would be wrong with 3x weeks of standing s/press @ 8-12 reps followed by 3x weeks of seated @6-8 reps?
I predominantly do standing and never fail through the core so I’d presume I’m still exhausting my deltoid muscle fibers whilst developing a stronger core.
And I rotate it with braced semi sup, mil press, push press depending on what training phase I’m in
[quote]kosterzoo wrote:
If your main concern is size/strength however I think the “you can do more seated so its better” is kind of a retarded statement because to me that equates to someone saying “i never do snatch grip deadlifts because I can lift more with a conventional/sumo deadlift”
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I get the jist of your argument, but the reason a snatch grip deadlift causes more hypertrophy that a conventional/sumo deadlift (in general) is because it has a greater range of motion. There is so ROM difference between a seated and standing overhead press.
[quote]KombatAthlete wrote:
kosterzoo wrote:
If your main concern is size/strength however I think the “you can do more seated so its better” is kind of a retarded statement because to me that equates to someone saying “i never do snatch grip deadlifts because I can lift more with a conventional/sumo deadlift”
I get the jist of your argument, but the reason a snatch grip deadlift causes more hypertrophy that a conventional/sumo deadlift (in general) is because it has a greater range of motion. There is so ROM difference between a seated and standing overhead press.[/quote]
Yeah the point I was making is that just because something is harder/you can’t do as much weight doesn’t make it inferior…
[quote]kosterzoo wrote:
KombatAthlete wrote:
kosterzoo wrote:
If your main concern is size/strength however I think the “you can do more seated so its better” is kind of a retarded statement because to me that equates to someone saying “i never do snatch grip deadlifts because I can lift more with a conventional/sumo deadlift”
I get the jist of your argument, but the reason a snatch grip deadlift causes more hypertrophy that a conventional/sumo deadlift (in general) is because it has a greater range of motion. There is so ROM difference between a seated and standing overhead press.
Yeah the point I was making is that just because something is harder/you can’t do as much weight doesn’t make it inferior…
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To be honest now we could turn into total assholes and say why would anyone bother with snatch grip DLs over regular DLs for muscle building purposes?
So you are calling me retarded?
[quote]kosterzoo wrote:
The seated Vs Standing argument is kinda redundant… There’s room for both but for ‘athletic purposes’ and/or ‘functional hypertrophy’ standing, push press or braced semi-supinated shoulder press would be better.
If your main concern is size/strength however I think the “you can do more seated so its better” is kind of a retarded statement because to me that equates to someone saying “i never do snatch grip deadlifts because I can lift more with a conventional/sumo deadlift”
They just train different neurological pathways so in accordance to an accumulation/intensification type training for hypertrophy what would be wrong with 3x weeks of standing s/press @ 8-12 reps followed by 3x weeks of seated @6-8 reps?
I predominantly do standing and never fail through the core so I’d presume I’m still exhausting my deltoid muscle fibers whilst developing a stronger core.
And I rotate it with braced semi sup, mil press, push press depending on what training phase I’m in[/quote]
If one dude can life standing and one cant, but can sit for the same weight I’m thinking the dude standing is stronger.
My point is that most people can do more seated than they can do standing. Since you are using more weight on your delts while seated, I would think that as a delt excercise, you would see more benefit doing them seated.
I think you can work your core and delts by doing them standing and I am not saying it is not a good excercise. But at least for me, the more weight the better. That’s what I respond to. So by doing them seated my delts get more bang for their buck. If that is retarded so be it.
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[quote]Andrew Dixon wrote:
If one dude can life standing and one cant, but can sit for the same weight I’m thinking the dude standing is stronger.[/quote]
Ok but what if the one sitting is lifting more weight while sitting then the person who is standing can lift?
[quote]Amsterdam Animal wrote:
Trust me when I tell you it is not likely we are close to the same strength. Feel free to correct me if I am wrong and more props to you.
I agree that your abs are involved when you do standing military DB’s. I disagree that they are better than seated ones. I am an old school guy and train with a split. If I am training delts, I am training delts, not abs.
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Im not sure whether or not the abs are involved more or less when performing the move standing or seated. However, I do remember reading a Pavel article once where he said he always prefers the standing movement, because your legs are taking half the strain, whereas when seated your low back is bearing a far larger burden.
I havent shoulder pressed for months. Since i switched to the westside template its been all lateral raises and rotator cuff work for delts.
OP 80’s for that rep range is good, provided technique is good, ROM full etc. You dont see many guys lifting those kinda weights overhead in commercial gyms. However, it’ll be no where near your potential so keep getting stronger and tell us when your doing the 90’s, then the 100’s
Ell
[quote]Amsterdam Animal wrote:
My point is that most people can do more seated than they can do standing. Since you are using more weight on your delts while seated, I would think that as a delt excercise, you would see more benefit doing them seated.
I think you can work your core and delts by doing them standing and I am not saying it is not a good excercise. But at least for me, the more weight the better. That’s what I respond to. So by doing them seated my delts get more bang for their buck. If that is retarded so be it.
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Id agree with this. From a bb perspective i do think seated may be best. It lets you go heavier. Switching every month could be good as well though, because having done a cycle standing, you should then feel stronger and go heavier seated.
From an athletes point of view the case may not be so simple as to say more weight = better results. Anyway, im going to go back to my horizontal pressing and leave everyone to it. At the end of the day they are both worthwhile exercises.
Good work. 80lbs for DBs is pretty impressive, to me at least. I haven’t done much dumbell pressing, I mostly use barbell. But a few weeks ago I finally got to doing a 135lb military press for a 5x5, which I was happy about since I don’t have to use the stupid dinky plates anymore, haha.
tom
I’ll do 100s for up to 8 seated. I can’t take hand off for someone. That gets awkwared for me. I pick them up and clean them to the shoulders and start the first rep from the bottom.
I find standing one-hand dumbbell presses more effective, though. I have been using them more often of late. I like switch between standing barbell presses, seated barbell press, standing DBs and seated DBs. I find the standing one-hand variety creates a lof of soreness whereas the others varieties do no not. I did 90s for 12 reps standing/one-hand the other day. Just do a one hand clean from the floor and start pressing. No pause. Very brief lockout.