800lb Squat Crushes PLer

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Jesse Snadden wrote:
So, there are no safety standards that would have improved his chances of not getting hurt? Is that what you’re trying to say?

He could have just not lifted. Maybe he could have gone golfing instead.

Not so clever a dodge.

I’ll ask you straight up once more: Is there any other way that he could have lifted that weight which would have been safer?

It’s an easy question. The potential answers are “yes” or “no.”

For a board the claims to be for hardcore testosterone fuelled men, I just see people who can talk a lot but few who can walk back a big squat!

Apparently the guy in the video couldn’t “walk back a big squat.”

Is he less of a man in your estimation?

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What the fuck is your problem? At least he had the BALLS to attempt it. Instead of entering into a mental masturbation contenst online.

There’s pretty much nothing he could have done. Maybe an inch to the right and he’d have been ok. Maybe an inch to the left. You know what tho, unless you plan on walking out 800lbs sometime in the near future then whatever answer is given doesn’t matter a toss to you.

You’re jst arguing for the sake of arguing. And before you say it, no it won’t be of benefit to anyone here because anyone who is squatting close to 800lbs (maybe 3 people?) already knows how to handle the weight.

How do they know? Under the bar experience. Saying to do something, and them attempting ti with 500+lb on your back is a completly different story.

Stuff like this reminds me of how much I love squatting in a monolift.

Anything done in a monolift means sweet fuck all to me. Sorry, but the guys are spread so wide it would be impossible to setup like that if the lifter walked out. Now some lifters are still strong walked out (Brent Mikesell, Andy Bolton etc…)

Others, like Mike Miller could only do 600 when you take off his gear and make him walk out at the NERB when he claims a 1200+ squat. I’ve met Mike Miller twice, it’s no disrespect to him, he’s a great guy and the first to tell you that in his form of powerlifting, it’s not about strength but about how to use the equipment. That’s just not my idea of powerlifting.

Injuries happen on monolifts too.

Anyhow… Mick… No there is nothing that could have been done, I wasn’t dodging anything, I just questioning it is rather lame and useless. The injury and fall happened too fast for anyone to react. The injury happened while standing, so pins in a power rack would have done little.

Saw this a few months back, that video labled it as 600lbs and a warmup set, but here he says its 800lbs.

Sucks that it happened, but shit happens and you live and get on with life and get back to what you love…

lifting.

And to all the people talking shit about the lift, get off your chair and go lift.

this is T-Nation for a reason.

[quote]Mick28 wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Mick28 wrote:
Jesse Snadden wrote:
So, there are no safety standards that would have improved his chances of not getting hurt? Is that what you’re trying to say?

He could have just not lifted. Maybe he could have gone golfing instead.

Not so clever a dodge.

I’ll ask you straight up once more: Is there any other way that he could have lifted that weight which would have been safer?

It’s an easy question. The potential answers are “yes” or “no.”

For a board the claims to be for hardcore testosterone fuelled men, I just see people who can talk a lot but few who can walk back a big squat!

Apparently the guy in the video couldn’t “walk back a big squat.”

Is he less of a man in your estimation?

What the fuck is your problem?

I don’t have one, do you?

At least he had the BALLS to attempt it. Instead of entering into a mental masturbation contenst online.

Is that what you’re doing? You are part of this thread so that must be what you’re doing.

You know what tho, unless you plan on walking out 800lbs sometime in the near future then whatever answer is given doesn’t matter a toss to you.

Oh I think I understand. Unless I am able to do it I am not worthy of commenting. Is that right? Well, in case you missed it, I have not commented as yet on his lift. Did you notice that. No?

But keep in mind this simple fact, when something becomes public knowledge it then becomes “comment worthy.” Matters not if the people commenting can do it or not.

With your logic sports commentators would be obsolete, unless they could run as fast, jump as high, or do as well as the athletes that they’re commenting on.

See how nutty your thinking is? No probably not.

You’re jst arguing for the sake of arguing.

I didn’t know that I was arguing. Up to this post I was only asking some questions. Am I allowed to do that If I can’t squat 800 pounds?

In fact, are you allowed to comment on this thread since you can’t squat 800 pounds?

By the way how much do you have to be able to squat before you can ask a question?

Can you understand your flawed logic yet? No? You might need more time in the class room and less time in the weight room.

And before you say it, no it won’t be of benefit to anyone here because anyone who is squatting close to 800lbs (maybe 3 people?) already knows how to handle the weight.

And what does that have to do with the topic at hand, or the question that I asked? Nothing.

How do they know? Under the bar experience. Saying to do something, and them attempting ti with 500+lb on your back is a completly different story.

I assume the guy in the video had a great deal of experience. I guess anyone can make a mistake huh? But what could he have done to avoid this mistake? Oh…sorry…I forgot…you don’t want to talk about that with anyone unless they can squat 800 pounds. LOL

Well, thanks for your comments but I can’t say that you’ve added a thing to this thread.

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So let me get this straight, the ONLY thing you want to know, and the ONLY thing you’re commenting on is whether or not this could hav ebeen prevented?

It’s pretty clear nothing could have been done. But now you’re just flogging a dead horse and attempting to pick apart my post. Kinda sad really.

Like I said, maybe thinking about how to prevent an injury while walking a big squat out is important to you. I’m more concerned with the actual squat itself.

Like I said, the conclusions you would reach would hardly be of any value to anyone anyway since the majority of guys squatting big know the risks they’re taking and know well that there’s pretty much sweet FA that they could do to prvent such a situation.

[quote]Jesse Snadden wrote:

Anyhow… Mick… No there is nothing that could have been done, I wasn’t dodging anything, I just questioning it is rather lame and useless. The injury and fall happened too fast for anyone to react. The injury happened while standing, so pins in a power rack would have done little. [/quote]

I don’t think he meant help limited to just safety. But also training wise. Such as does he have lack of calf training or flexibility, or flexibilty strength. Or if at that point his achilles tendon might have been overtrained in his workout cycle.

Mick personally I think if he would’ve did it and had pins for security he would still have had his injury but It might not have been as brutal. I think he broke his leg in the top and bottom half. The bottom half looks like it broke as the weight got closer to the floor so MAYBE he would not have broke the bottom half.

As far as training and nutrition goes there is definitely some way he could’ve trained to prevent that. What he could’ve done we will never know unless he describes what he did to work up to that point. I’ll tell you this much though the majority of achilles ruptures come from tears that come from over training or not letting the tendons heal.

People that come back stronger from injuries learn from them. Others just say Shit Happens, good thinking in trying to find a way to learn from it.

[quote]Airtruth wrote:

I don’t think he meant help limited to just safety. But also training wise. Such as does he have lack of calf training or flexibility, or flexibilty strength. Or if at that point his achilles tendon might have been overtrained in his workout cycle.

As far as training and nutrition goes there is definitely some way he could’ve trained to prevent that. What he could’ve done we will never know unless he describes what he did to work up to that point. I’ll tell you this much though the majority of achilles ruptures come from tears that come from over training or not letting the tendons heal.

People that come back stronger from injuries learn from them. Others just say Shit Happens, good thinking in trying to find a way to learn from it.[/quote]

Yeah, and if he did that he might only be squatting 700lbs. You have to question people priorities, lifting big weights. Or attempting to be injury proof. Not saying these can’t both happen together. But all the strong guys I know, the REALY strong ones are focused on getting stronger. Not on working their achilles flexability or other things.

Also, we live in the real world so he might not have time to devote to it. I know alot of people who are lucky to get workouts in 3/4x a week and spend the rest of their time working or with their families. Do you suggest they take 2+ hours a week away from to spend in the gym working on a minor issue? (plus travelling time etc)

I know the retort will be; “yeah but if Seb did that he’d be more healthy and more capable of spending time with his family”.

But think about this, how many successful lifters pick up this injury? And it is really neccessary for each and everyone of them to spend hours trying to prevent a freak occurance that probably won’t happen anywaY?

[quote]Hanley wrote:
I sincerly hope you’re point out the error in the previous posters comment where he said the heeled shoes caused it???

Look at world championship IPF events. There’s guys walking out well in excess 900lb in heeled shoes.

Heeled boots didn’t cause it.

Wanna know what did? SHIT caused it.

SHIT happened. That’s life.[/quote]

I’ve seen this video before. It looks to me that his knee was turned slightly inward when walking out. Perhaps this would be OK with less weight on the bar. But even the slightest imbalance in your stance under heavy weight will cause a disaster.

At least he lived. Hope there wasn’t a lawyer around.

[quote]Mick28 wrote:

See what a dumb ass you are Hanley? Not yet huh?

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Hanley is one of my homeboys. I wouldn’t threaten him if I were you.

Besides, sometimes, the shit just comes down hard, for no reason at all. Maybe you should wear a hat.

[quote]Mick28 wrote to Hanley:
No, you’re confused again…

I simply asked ONE question and you over reacted.

Do you do that in your off line life too?
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He is Irish, what do you think.

(Sorry Hanley, couldn’t resist!:slight_smile: )

Mick28,

If a powerlifter trains to avoid injuries he/she will do one of two things

  1. never really accomplish anything from playing it too safe;

  2. get injured.

When your training for powerlifting (or any sport for that matter) you train your technique (ie. what you should do), you don’t focus on what to avoid.

The easiest analogy (try this sometime, its funny) that I can think of is watching someone hammer in a nail. Say to the person, “don’t hit your finger”. This will frequently be followed by screaming and thumb biting.

[quote]Ruggerlife wrote:
Mick28 wrote to Hanley:
No, you’re confused again…

I simply asked ONE question and you over reacted.

Do you do that in your off line life too?

He is Irish, what do you think.

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Just what the hell does that mean? Wanna fight about it?

[quote]Zap Branigan wrote:
Ruggerlife wrote:
Mick28 wrote to Hanley:
No, you’re confused again…

I simply asked ONE question and you over reacted.

Do you do that in your off line life too?

He is Irish, what do you think.

Just what the hell does that mean? Wanna fight about it?[/quote]

That’s about right. :slight_smile:

NOBODY is saying you should not do max efforts.

NOBODY is saying you can avoid all injuries.

And I hope, NOBODY is saying you should just go out hell for leather and not give a f#$ck and ignore safety coz that’s what being a T-man is all about.

I don’t know anything that could have saved the guys’ knee apart from better conditioning, better technique, better shoes? better rack, not walking it out, and possibly, training naturally instead of taking drugs and letting muscle strength outstrip tendon/ligament strength - no doubt that last point will upset a lot of people and also, I am not saying the lifter wasn’t natural, just saying that could be one contributing factor people must be aware of. There is a lot to be said for tendon/ligament strengthening through the long, hard process over a long, hard time.

But again none of these are a guarantee and things can always go wrong.

I personally like to have at least something to stop the bar crushing me, whatever happens. I’ve had some nasty experiences with that and never want that again, not for anyone.