^Wow…you use whey? Cheating bastard. Where’s your dignity?
[quote]gorangers0525 wrote:
^Wow…you use whey? Cheating bastard. Where’s your dignity? [/quote]
it’s unnatural
[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:
[quote]gorangers0525 wrote:
^Wow…you use whey? Cheating bastard. Where’s your dignity? [/quote]
it’s unnatural[/quote]
Seriously comparing fucking natural whey to roids are two different worlds, and clip posted are the typical excuses for people who know they took the easy/cheating way out, are you hunting like you ancestors did, if you dont thats not natural silly comparisons, and btw i dont depend on whey protein anyways. Be strong in mind and body - Go natural or dont go at all.
[quote]dalle wrote:
Exactly I only use whey protein powder without taste sometimes, the only time i would say yes to antibiotics is if i were seriously ill. [/quote]
No dog in this fight, just curious about your line crossing as it seems a passioned response.
Matt Kroczaleski, testicular cancer survivor, cheater?
Lance Armstrong, testicular cancer survivor, cheater?
[quote]knotginuwhine wrote:
[quote]dalle wrote:
Exactly I only use whey protein powder without taste sometimes, the only time i would say yes to antibiotics is if i were seriously ill. [/quote]
No dog in this fight, just curious about your line crossing as it seems a passioned response.
Matt Kroczaleski, testicular cancer survivor, cheater?
Lance Armstrong, testicular cancer survivor, cheater?
[/quote]
Whats your point ?
I don’t trust a man who doesn’t use creatine.
[quote]gorangers0525 wrote:
^Wow…you use whey? Cheating bastard. Where’s your dignity? [/quote]
[quote]dalle wrote:
[quote]knotginuwhine wrote:
[quote]dalle wrote:
Exactly I only use whey protein powder without taste sometimes, the only time i would say yes to antibiotics is if i were seriously ill. [/quote]
No dog in this fight, just curious about your line crossing as it seems a passioned response.
Matt Kroczaleski, testicular cancer survivor, cheater?
Lance Armstrong, testicular cancer survivor, cheater?
[/quote]
Whats your point ?[/quote]
My assessment from your response is that you consider both gentlemen to be cheaters?
[quote]knotginuwhine wrote:
[quote]dalle wrote:
[quote]knotginuwhine wrote:
[quote]dalle wrote:
Exactly I only use whey protein powder without taste sometimes, the only time i would say yes to antibiotics is if i were seriously ill. [/quote]
No dog in this fight, just curious about your line crossing as it seems a passioned response.
Matt Kroczaleski, testicular cancer survivor, cheater?
Lance Armstrong, testicular cancer survivor, cheater?
[/quote]
Whats your point ?[/quote]
My assessment from your response is that you consider both gentlemen to be cheaters?[/quote]
First i think it is pretty random that you mention this cancer subject, Their cheaters in their sports ( how can this be discussed) yes , but surviving testicular is very great and brave. Anyways dont see your point in asking about this . I think off this as you try to dig something up to make me sound bad to please the crowd.
[quote]dalle wrote:
[quote]knotginuwhine wrote:
[quote]dalle wrote:
[quote]knotginuwhine wrote:
[quote]dalle wrote:
Exactly I only use whey protein powder without taste sometimes, the only time i would say yes to antibiotics is if i were seriously ill. [/quote]
No dog in this fight, just curious about your line crossing as it seems a passioned response.
Matt Kroczaleski, testicular cancer survivor, cheater?
Lance Armstrong, testicular cancer survivor, cheater?
[/quote]
Whats your point ?[/quote]
My assessment from your response is that you consider both gentlemen to be cheaters?[/quote]
First i think it is pretty random that you mention this cancer subject, Their cheaters in their sports ( how can this be discussed) yes , but surviving testicular is very great and brave. Anyways dont see your point in asking about this . I think off this as you try to dig something up to make me sound bad to please the crowd.
[/quote]
I really am not trying to incite the crowd.
My point is that for some testosterone replacement is good and necessary medicine.
Such medicine becomes even more obviously therapeutic when said patient competes in a sport where usage is, at the least encouraged, and some would say demanded.
Not to put words in your mouth, but it sounds like you’re saying cancer survivors shouldn’t be treated to compete, because it offends societies puritanical perceptions.
FUCK CANCER.
My opinion is that it is sad that your personal definition of success is so defined by, what you deem as, other people’s negative behavior.
I hope you never need or want medicine, but try contemplating how that might influence your ethics.
For me, by far the biggest reason I don’t use, is because I want it to be there as medicine if I, God willing, make it to an age where my body needs the medicine, or if, God forbid, I attain some disease where again I NEED the medicine, and I would and do recommend that logic.
Using your logic,(and the logic prevalent in puritanical societies), treatment for ALS should be refused to Stephen Hawking, and coffee should be refused to us all.
That said I agree with some of your fervor.
[quote]knotginuwhine wrote:
[quote]dalle wrote:
[quote]knotginuwhine wrote:
[quote]dalle wrote:
[quote]knotginuwhine wrote:
[quote]dalle wrote:
Exactly I only use whey protein powder without taste sometimes, the only time i would say yes to antibiotics is if i were seriously ill. [/quote]
No dog in this fight, just curious about your line crossing as it seems a passioned response.
Matt Kroczaleski, testicular cancer survivor, cheater?
Lance Armstrong, testicular cancer survivor, cheater?
[/quote]
Whats your point ?[/quote]
My assessment from your response is that you consider both gentlemen to be cheaters?[/quote]
First i think it is pretty random that you mention this cancer subject, Their cheaters in their sports ( how can this be discussed) yes , but surviving testicular is very great and brave. Anyways dont see your point in asking about this . I think off this as you try to dig something up to make me sound bad to please the crowd.
[/quote]
I really am not trying to incite the crowd.
My point is that for some testosterone replacement is good and necessary medicine.
Such medicine becomes even more obviously therapeutic when said patient competes in a sport where usage is, at the least encouraged, and some would say demanded.
Not to put words in your mouth, but it sounds like you’re saying cancer survivors shouldn’t be treated to compete, because it offends societies puritanical perceptions.
FUCK CANCER.
My opinion is that it is sad that your personal definition of success is so defined by, what you deem as, other people’s negative behavior.
I hope you never need or want medicine, but try contemplating how that might influence your ethics.
For me, by far the biggest reason I don’t use, is because I want it to be there as medicine if I, God willing, make it to an age where my body needs the medicine, or if, God forbid, I attain some disease where again I NEED the medicine, and I would and do recommend that logic.
Using your logic,(and the logic prevalent in puritanical societies), treatment for ALS should be refused to Stephen Hawking, and coffee should be refused to us all.
That said I agree with some of your fervor. [/quote]
Okay i am glad. I see your point about hormones and the importance of it for some people as medicin. And if i needed testosterone as medicin because of some illness i would see it as a entirely different matter cause i am using it with a therapeutic goal in mind and not to become stronger,bigger etc. Its all about the context and what goal you have in mind. And drinking cofee i would not consider cheating in sport neither in other aspects. The things i hate are all the kinds of crazy supplements etc. but most off all “STEROIDS” for becoming a better aathlete no matter what sport. And regarding my succes , I will never reach any big publicity “succes” in my sport cause i wont use steroids etc. But will reach personal succes and NOT contribute and support to ruin sports further more imo. We need to control our hunger for bigger stronger faster everything.
A. I have never used illegal supplements.
B. You wouldn’t know that because I’m not a flamer that prances around screaming “natural 4 lyfe”.
C. Just stop. You’re embarassing yourself.
[quote]gorangers0525 wrote:
A. I have never used illegal supplements.
B. You wouldn’t know that because I’m not a flamer that prances around screaming “natural 4 lyfe”.
C. Just stop. You’re embarassing yourself.[/quote]
A : i am glad to hear , keep it that way
B : start spreading the message like with every other god cause
C : I am proud of myself on these aspects , maybe you should be too instead of hiding your head in the sand
[quote]knotginuwhine wrote:
[quote]dalle wrote:
[quote]knotginuwhine wrote:
[quote]dalle wrote:
[quote]knotginuwhine wrote:
[quote]dalle wrote:
Exactly I only use whey protein powder without taste sometimes, the only time i would say yes to antibiotics is if i were seriously ill. [/quote]
No dog in this fight, just curious about your line crossing as it seems a passioned response.
Matt Kroczaleski, testicular cancer survivor, cheater?
Lance Armstrong, testicular cancer survivor, cheater?
[/quote]
Whats your point ?[/quote]
My assessment from your response is that you consider both gentlemen to be cheaters?[/quote]
First i think it is pretty random that you mention this cancer subject, Their cheaters in their sports ( how can this be discussed) yes , but surviving testicular is very great and brave. Anyways dont see your point in asking about this . I think off this as you try to dig something up to make me sound bad to please the crowd.
[/quote]
I really am not trying to incite the crowd.
My point is that for some testosterone replacement is good and necessary medicine.
Such medicine becomes even more obviously therapeutic when said patient competes in a sport where usage is, at the least encouraged, and some would say demanded.
Not to put words in your mouth, but it sounds like you’re saying cancer survivors shouldn’t be treated to compete, because it offends societies puritanical perceptions.
FUCK CANCER.
My opinion is that it is sad that your personal definition of success is so defined by, what you deem as, other people’s negative behavior.
I hope you never need or want medicine, but try contemplating how that might influence your ethics.
For me, by far the biggest reason I don’t use, is because I want it to be there as medicine if I, God willing, make it to an age where my body needs the medicine, or if, God forbid, I attain some disease where again I NEED the medicine, and I would and do recommend that logic.
Using your logic,(and the logic prevalent in puritanical societies), treatment for ALS should be refused to Stephen Hawking, and coffee should be refused to us all.
That said I agree with some of your fervor. [/quote]
At the same time he implied that they sold their soul to achieve their goal. The question then lies how much did selling their soul play in them needed the correct medicine in the first place. In other words instead of being politically correct and turning his words into a guilt trip for cancer survivors, maybe he meant avoid the risk associated with using a drug you can’t tell the world that your using to win. Both were supposedly doping before their testicular cancers so why even throw them in the same bag as every day people, who weren’t willing to sacrifice everything?
If Lance cheated before cancer, are you trying to imply because he got cancer he’s no longer cheating?
Not sure if I would consider Matt a cheater because I’m not sure he participated in steroid free competitions. But if he did cheat what does having testicular cancer have to do with him not being a cheater?
[quote]Airtruth wrote:
[quote]knotginuwhine wrote:
[quote]dalle wrote:
[quote]knotginuwhine wrote:
[quote]dalle wrote:
[quote]knotginuwhine wrote:
[quote]dalle wrote:
Exactly I only use whey protein powder without taste sometimes, the only time i would say yes to antibiotics is if i were seriously ill. [/quote]
No dog in this fight, just curious about your line crossing as it seems a passioned response.
Matt Kroczaleski, testicular cancer survivor, cheater?
Lance Armstrong, testicular cancer survivor, cheater?
[/quote]
Whats your point ?[/quote]
My assessment from your response is that you consider both gentlemen to be cheaters?[/quote]
First i think it is pretty random that you mention this cancer subject, Their cheaters in their sports ( how can this be discussed) yes , but surviving testicular is very great and brave. Anyways dont see your point in asking about this . I think off this as you try to dig something up to make me sound bad to please the crowd.
[/quote]
I really am not trying to incite the crowd.
My point is that for some testosterone replacement is good and necessary medicine.
Such medicine becomes even more obviously therapeutic when said patient competes in a sport where usage is, at the least encouraged, and some would say demanded.
Not to put words in your mouth, but it sounds like you’re saying cancer survivors shouldn’t be treated to compete, because it offends societies puritanical perceptions.
FUCK CANCER.
My opinion is that it is sad that your personal definition of success is so defined by, what you deem as, other people’s negative behavior.
I hope you never need or want medicine, but try contemplating how that might influence your ethics.
For me, by far the biggest reason I don’t use, is because I want it to be there as medicine if I, God willing, make it to an age where my body needs the medicine, or if, God forbid, I attain some disease where again I NEED the medicine, and I would and do recommend that logic.
Using your logic,(and the logic prevalent in puritanical societies), treatment for ALS should be refused to Stephen Hawking, and coffee should be refused to us all.
That said I agree with some of your fervor. [/quote]
At the same time he implied that they sold their soul to achieve their goal. The question then lies how much did selling their soul play in them needed the correct medicine in the first place. In other words instead of being politically correct and turning his words into a guilt trip for cancer survivors, maybe he meant avoid the risk associated with using a drug you can’t tell the world that your using to win. Both were supposedly doping before their testicular cancers so why even throw them in the same bag as every day people, who weren’t willing to sacrifice everything?
If Lance cheated before cancer, are you trying to imply because he got cancer he’s no longer cheating?
Not sure if I would consider Matt a cheater because I’m not sure he participated in steroid free competitions. But if he did cheat what does having testicular cancer have to do with him not being a cheater?[/quote]
I was trying to insinuate grey area by placing those two athletes together.
Though they share some obvious similarities my guess is that in this community those athletes are viewed very dissimilarly, which was part of the point I was attmepting to argue.
I’m not trying to imply Lance wasn’t cheating, nor do I care about political correctness.
I was trying to state unequivocally that the gentelmen’s vitriol for drugs mirrors many SOCIETIES’ black and white, all inclusive notions of PEDs and I am stating that there are some severe flaws in logic, that can and have hampered,(I believe marijuana is the most overt example of this, but thousands if not millions of people are suffering from low-T), proper medication for health, and dare I say happiness and performance.
I used cancer to elucidate my point, not to make him feel bad, but because it is an OBVIOUS example of that extant, obvious, glaring moral grey area.
Ever see someone wither away from metastasis, partially because their religion tells them it’s wrong to puff a joint that society,(not their doctor), has deemed wrong?
Morally, how is that any different than being a young man unable to “perform”?
Suffering could be demonstrably reduced by people having less knee jerk drug zeal.
[quote]knotginuwhine wrote:
I was trying to insinuate grey area by placing those two athletes together.
Though they share some obvious similarities my guess is that in this community those athletes are viewed very dissimilarly, which was part of the point I was attmepting to argue.
[/quote] I disagree I’ve heard more in this community support both athletes then ridicule them. I think in general you will find more people support Lance in athletic and “T” communities. Athletes have a goal and at the very least want the field to be fair. Lance’s competition is using drugs as much as he is, go Lance.
The lines are only blurred because of cheaters, biased self-pity, and arrogance.
As with Marijuana we all know that steroids has its benefits and side effects but because of the 3 reasons above both are forced to be illegal without a Dr.s approval. I’ve never heard society get mad at some guy who used steroid because of testicular cancer. But we have all heard people who used PED’s to help them compete, bring up some sort of medical justification for them. That’s utter bullshit. You are confusing the knee jerk reaction to liars with the knee jerk reaction to drugs. We’re talking about the difference between Bonds and Arod, or Clemmens and Mcgwire, Teen Pop Entertainers and Snoop dog. One group admits everything, the other acts like they’re saints.
There’s a high probability their Pastor or whatever is puffing a joint behind close doors. Don’t blame any grey lines on that. If that pastor wasn’t an arrogant lying prick that person would be happily smoking too.
[/quote]
The lines are only blurred because of cheaters, biased self-pity, and arrogance.
I’ve never heard society get mad at some guy who used steroid because of testicular cancer.
[quote]
Are these two lines not directly in contradiction?
I brought up two athletes who need drugs because of testicular cancer and you’re calling them cheaters, no?
And I respectfully disagree with almost everything else you said, worldwide drug policy is a mess, mostly thanks to my home country having miss placed, poorly contemplated, (let alone understood), puritanical fascism as worldview, the worldwide corporate establishment has embelished these mostly racist originating “beliefs” to maximize profit and criminalize disenfranchised populations.
It’s cliche to even contemplate it’s been else.
Steroids got caught up in the hype mostly thanks to Orrin Hatch, and really quite recently.
[quote]dalle wrote:
[quote]rehanb_bl wrote:
[quote]gorangers0525 wrote:
^Wow…you use whey? Cheating bastard. Where’s your dignity? [/quote]
it’s unnatural[/quote]
Seriously comparing fucking natural whey to roids are two different worlds, and clip posted are the typical excuses for people who know they took the easy/cheating way out, are you hunting like you ancestors did, if you dont thats not natural silly comparisons, and btw i dont depend on whey protein anyways. Be strong in mind and body - Go natural or dont go at all. [/quote]
You are talking about natural and hunting for food whilst typing it from a chair in front of your computer on the internet after buying your food in a grocery store. You must be so natural…
Define cheating. I know all the connotations and denotations. I want it to be defined as relevant to the context of dalle’s posts.