That was impressive.
When it said Triple Bodyweight Squat it should have been obvious that the guy weighed more than 66lbs.
please dont think im talking trash, that kid is absolutely fucking amazing. but look at his knees. i just wonder how he can get them so far out over his toes without hurting himself. if i front swuat and put a little too much lean into it, my knees kill me for days.
anyone know how he does something like that?
Yes, but is it functional strength?
Also, would he be as strong or stronger in prison?
[quote]eisenaffe wrote:
Mad Titan wrote:
however 5x200 front squat if it’s only 200lbs is nowhere near the vicinity of impressive its not even worth video taping
Weightlifters do not measure in pounds!
Even if it would have been pounds he weighs 145 lbs. How many 145ers do you know who can frontsquat 200 lbs?
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uh…i know about 30 female’s under 145 pounds that can front squat 200 pounds (or 92.5 kilos / 203) for 3 to 12 reps.
I want to say two things about this clip.
First: If you have ever lifted in an atmosphere like this, you know that there is nothing to compare it to. That team atmosphere, everyone having a stake in what you are doing, everyone pulling for you. It’s great. And it inspires you to do things that - years later - you say, “How the FUCK did I DO that?”
Second: This guy is a perfect example of why we don’t win medals in O-lifting any more. THIS is where our strength athletes go.
I’m PRETTY sure this guy is not the strongest guy in NCAA D-1. Probably above average, that’s for sure! Near the top. But I’d wager there are several other ‘freaks’ out there doing more than he is doing here. All with very little effective coaching (that’s my only comment on SOME of the NCAA S&C guys out there today).
[quote]folly wrote:
That was damn impressive is what it was. That was past parallel, too. Every rep. He made that look easy. Scary easy.
-folly[/quote]
Dude it’s IMPOSSIBLE to tell from that angle if they wre below parrallel.
[quote]rrjc5488 wrote:
IS there any benefit to squatting without a shirt?
I obviously cant just take my shirt off at my gym, nor would I to begin with, but I just chalk up my shoulders and I never have any problems with slipping of the bar.[/quote]
You can add 6 oz. to your max.
[quote]Hack Wilson wrote:
eisenaffe wrote:
Mad Titan wrote:
however 5x200 front squat if it’s only 200lbs is nowhere near the vicinity of impressive its not even worth video taping
Weightlifters do not measure in pounds!
Even if it would have been pounds he weighs 145 lbs. How many 145ers do you know who can frontsquat 200 lbs?
uh…i know about 30 female’s under 145 pounds that can front squat 200 pounds (or 92.5 kilos / 203) for 3 to 12 reps.[/quote]
Then hook me up with some of them.
[quote]Mad Titan wrote:
vision1 wrote:
Not to hijack the thread, but I didn’t want to make a new thread just for this video.
Anyways, its a 3xBW Front squat for 5 reps…
605lb squat for 9 reps is very impressive
however 5x200 front squat if it’s only 200lbs is nowhere near the vicinity of impressive its not even worth video taping
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I am pretty sure that was more than 200 pounds in the front squat video. No offense, but I do think it was an impressive lift and worth taping. It is by far more than I could do and both videos are inspiring.
Christopher
[quote]Hanley wrote:
Dude it’s IMPOSSIBLE to tell from that angle if they wre below parrallel.[/quote]
Even though the angle is wrong, if you watch his knees and the part of his thighs you can see, it is pretty clear that he is hitting bottom. We’ve all seen quarter and half squats here, and those look nothing like that.
But honestly, even if he was at parallel or even a little above it, that is still damn impressive.
-folly
Jesus. That guys is front squatting 200 kg. and that’s 440 pounds! Looks like he’s about an 85 kg. lifter. It’s FAIRLY impressive for an international level 0-lifter. Fucking impossible for most of you guys.
[quote]folly wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Dude it’s IMPOSSIBLE to tell from that angle if they wre below parrallel.
Even though the angle is wrong, if you watch his knees and the part of his thighs you can see, it is pretty clear that he is hitting bottom. We’ve all seen quarter and half squats here, and those look nothing like that.
But honestly, even if he was at parallel or even a little above it, that is still damn impressive.
-folly[/quote]
Since the majority of people don’t squat outside, I vote for changing the expression “Ass to Grass” to “Taint to Paint”.
He looked TTP to me.
605x9 guy was far enough down to count them for weightroom work.
Definately below 1/2 squats, might not have been below parallel but close enough.
220KG front squatter. Made the work look light and it was an impressive movement. The guy was 170 or 180LB’s for crying out loud, you think he vertical jump less than 30"? I don’t think so.
Personally I’m thinking front squats probably carry over better to sports. No one has expanded on this.
Front squats are probably also slightly safer due to spreading the load more evenly thru the abdomen.
If you look at high-level OL lifters, their knees go further out than this Badger’s. It comes from technique and working the lower leg flexibility like made. Further out the better
[quote]srb68 wrote:
please dont think im talking trash, that kid is absolutely fucking amazing. but look at his knees. i just wonder how he can get them so far out over his toes without hurting himself. if i front swuat and put a little too much lean into it, my knees kill me for days.
anyone know how he does something like that?[/quote]
[quote]Hack Wilson wrote:
Jesus. That guys is front squatting 200 kg. and that’s 440 pounds! Looks like he’s about an 85 kg. lifter. It’s FAIRLY impressive for an international level 0-lifter. Fucking impossible for most of you guys.[/quote]
The movie says he’s the world champion from the 2006 -69kg in weightlifting.
I’m not sure how much he weighs in the video, but that makes him more like 150 lbs.
[quote]Hanley wrote:
It’ll be interesting to see what holes people can pick in it.[/quote]
I got one, he looks pretty fat and unathletic. I would rather have the visible appearance of being able to squat a ton than actually doing it and looking so out-of-shape.
[quote]nptitim wrote:
That is bad ass. The only hole I can poke in it is that he did them basically high bar, which means he could do even more if he got use to low bar style! Well done to that dude.[/quote]
I might as well cover this topic now.
Nobody in the “real” world, outside of a tiny group of powerlifting enthusiasts, squats using a low-bar. Everyone from the meatheads at your local gym to pro athletes uses high bars, all the time. The same thing goes with elbows-out benching and all the rest. It’s really a tiny minority of people who lift weights that actually do any of that crazy shit. Most people just get under (or above) the bar and lift it however they can. What’s interesting to note is that “fat lifters” (i.e. people who train for strength over appearance) love to rag on “skinny” (<25% BF people) who they see doing the big 3 “wrong”.
Internet hardasses, especially on strength forums like this, are very fond of mocking certain individuals who use what they deem to be “pussy” lifting techniques. But in the real world, just about everybody uses these very techiques to lift, and nobody thinks they are for pussys. For example, there are tons of big and strong guys in gyms across the country who squat using bar tampons and the smith machine.
What’s funny is that these types are never confronted or acknowledged by the virtual “fat lifters”. If some big football or army dude scores a big lift, he never gets shit from this group, no matter how far off his form may be from the Westside ideal. If a skinny guy attempts a smaller lift with identical form, they are all over him for it. Hypocrisy and double standards run rampant.
Why are the powerlifting enthusiasts so critical of “bad form” when it is used by skinny people and so tolerant of it when it is used by the big boned and thick-skinned?
The answer is that they are hiding a dirty and unpleasant truth which they would prefer that most people forget. Here it is:
“Naturally strong” people use some of the worst form known to man. The proof of this is extremely abundant, you can simply look at how any pro athlete (besides a powerlifter, obviously) lifts weights. From pro football players to bodybuilders, these people all have a tendency to just throw huge weights around without the slightest regard for “proper form”. They often use belts, straps, and whatever else is lying around the gym. They never tuck their elbows, they round their backs constantly, and generally violate just about every holy dictum ever penned by Dave Tate or Louie Simmons.
The PLing fanboys can never take these people to task because it would expose just how empty most of their “special techniques” really are. There’s really nothing new under the sun, and especially not in the field of lifting. Human physiology hasn’t changed, and neither has physics. You don’t need to know the latest theories, you don’t need Charles Poliquin or Christian Thib coaching you, and if you were truly born to do this sort of thing, you don’t even have to worry about not rounding your back (after all, there isn’t a pro-PLer in the world who doesn’t round his back on a heavy pull - not one).
PL’ers may hold the world records in the big 3, but that’s because the big 3 are all they train for. I don’t think that powerlifers can truly be considered stronger than bodybuilders or other athletes. If you really wanted to know for sure, you’d have them perform strength feats from other sports, not just their own. Why not have powerlifters compared to bodybuilders in the smith squat, or barbell curl exercises? It’s pretty obvious they would get destroyed. This simply reinforces the natural law of specialization: people become good at what they specialize in. It is faulty and erroneous to characterize powerlifters as “stronger” than bodybuilders until they are stronger in everything, not just those select lifts which make up their sport.
Strength doesn’t exist. Every new training theory is a scam.
[quote]folly wrote:
Hanley wrote:
Dude it’s IMPOSSIBLE to tell from that angle if they wre below parrallel.
Even though the angle is wrong, if you watch his knees and the part of his thighs you can see, it is pretty clear that he is hitting bottom. We’ve all seen quarter and half squats here, and those look nothing like that.
But honestly, even if he was at parallel or even a little above it, that is still damn impressive.
-folly[/quote]
I’m not saying his squats are high. I’m jsut saying that at the best of times it’s very hard to judge squat depth from the front, but when the camera’s up high it becmoes damn near impossible. If I was to take a guess I’d say that they’re right at parrallel or maybe an inch above (by IPF standards)
[quote]srb68 wrote:
please dont think im talking trash, that kid is absolutely fucking amazing. but look at his knees. i just wonder how he can get them so far out over his toes without hurting himself. if i front swuat and put a little too much lean into it, my knees kill me for days.
anyone know how he does something like that?[/quote]
Some people are built like mack tracks. Huge joints and plenty of padding. These people most often end up lifting heavy things for a living. Others aren’t, and they most often have desk jobs. Where do you work? There’s your answer.
Nominal Prospect,
I disagree with you.
What is being said here, is that the westside techniques where not an attempt at poseing to be an e-thug and correct everybody.
These techniques were deemed to “work” and that anyone using a less than optimal form that what was pretty much found to work across the board, has gains in them from just making a slight adjustment in the way their going about the lift.
I can agree that many are lifting large weight with form that may not be the best. But if these people understood, by changing just a little they can get a noticeable increase they would.
Like you say alot of people squat high bar. Pro’s this, pro’s that. Were hearing about college track coaches who dont even know who Ben Johnson or Charlie Francis are, etc.
Lowerbar with the bar in the groove just below the traps and shoulder makes a more stable platform and means a larger lift.
Nominal Prospect, I am not trying to e-thug here, but I have to say that in this case you and I myself are wrong, and westside and the powerlifters and real olympic lifters are right.
There are gains to be made from doing the movement correctly.