I do think it’s possible but… Not every man is going to be willing to do what it needs to take to reach this number. The years in the game, the most likely ever piling list of injuries, the ups and downs of dieting (if they care about physique), the consistency, the ability to tolerate pain on a daily basis… everyone can build up these traits. It’s nothing special. I think priorities are going to be a BIG factor in this and most people just don’t prioritize having a big deadlift, or prioritize lifting at all.
Well said. It’s a matter of priorities. For some untalented lifters, the 600 might be too big of a sacrifice from everything else. Others will achieve it with less effort.
Only way to know is to try.
Ps. Damn this thread is old. Twojars post almost 10 years ago said almost the same thing I just said. Hahah.
I love it when a good thread has Raise Dead cast on it.
I’m not sure my 10 year-old take is accurate anymore. The young fellas seem to be suffering from widespread low testosterone, and quite a few are chopping off their dicks altogether. 600 without AAS might be out of reach for more now than when I first gave that take.
Overall though, it is still eminently doable for most healthy, normal men, if they make it a priority.
Damn buddy, it looks like you’ve been skipping leg day. I’ve not known many people who can bench more than they can deadlift.
It should be rather easily doable for you, unless you’ve got some really weird proportions.
Yep.. my purely personal opinion on this is that when someone approaches the 660lb/300kg mark, that’s where I think genetics begin to play a role and for some will be unattainable. 700+ is where I think we can begin to start arguing about genetics or drug usage
Yeah. It’s hard to point out any exact number, but over 300kg pulls are propably very difficult to achieve for many. Not sure if I’ll be willing to do what would be needed for me to get there.
Not that my goals are even so ambitious.
Focusing on the next 5lbs increase is the best the best approach imo, time will show how close to 300kg I’ll end up (or even over it?).
There’s one guy in my town pulling 700 right now who I’m fairly certain is lifetime natty, given his rather slow and steady progression.
I think I could have gotten there too, potential-wise, especially considering I didn’t touch a weight until I was 33 or so. That window is closed to me at 45 unless I get on the sauce, which I won’t.
I’m happy with my 615 lifetime best and good orthopedic health.
I saw the same thing in the 1970’s. By the time the bar got to 600lbs there were very few lifters still left to lift.
Another observation that has some value in this discussion. I noticed a connection between the lifter’s body weight and their Squat to Deadlift comparison. The lighter lifters typically deadlifted more than they could squat. The heavier lifters typically squatted more than they could deadlift. If I had to guess, the curves crossed at about 220lbs.
Our 242lb lifter on our team could squat 800+lbs but could “only” deadlift 650lbs. Our Superheavyweight could only pull 550lbs (which was the same as he could bench press.), and he could squat about 650lbs. He looked like what many people would say is too fat. He had terrible leverage attempting to deadlift and deal with his large belly.
Maybe off topic but the mention of guys at local meets does make me wonder.
If we have someone who is relatively healthy, trains somewhat intelligently (a time-test PL routine for example), and consistently for several years, and is eating enough, my thinking is they would at least get within “spitting distance” of their potential. Or rather the “extra stuff” would give diminishing returns, since the skill aspect isn’t that high and you can only do so much before you overtrain.
Rather if someone is stuck in the low 500s for years, would a new program or supplement (not sterioids for this discussion) really give them THAT big of a jump? For some guys maybe, but for most i would expect maybe some progress from a new stimulus then back to slow, steady progression afterward.
Obviously the case would be different if the lifter was overtraining, undertraining or undereating then got hooked up with a lifting team or coach and better nutrition plan.
Definitely bad form and bad proportions. But if i change from this style and try better form i am 100lbs less even. But here is a 455lb deadlift and a touch and go 425 lb bench i have on hand. Squat i go high bar and super deep ass to grass. But knees cant seem to handle past 365 and i do have a butt wink. But the 425 bench flies up. I got 450 that day. Then missed the 475 attempt
Yeah you’re an oddball for sure. Great bench, though. That flew right up. Very impressive.
First impressions on your deadlift is your setup is lacking. Get your back flattened by sticking your chest up and butt out. It appears you aren’t letting your arms hang, either. Get a BIG torso FULL of air and brace, hard.
The mental cue I use is to push the world away from me.
IMO getting stronger on your squat will carry over to your dead more than vice versa. Maybe try low bar or, if you have access, a safety squat bar.
If it’s high bar or nothing, rep it out with weight that feels good and push the set hard. High rep squats definitely work for raw strength.
Here is my shitty squat. Any advice is welcome. I think i have even worse proportions for squatting than deadlifting. And the vertical compression from the weight hurts my mid to lower spine. Deadlift doesnt cause spine pain at all like squat does.
You are so upright that half-way paying attention it looks like a front squat. The bar seems as high on your shoulders as possible. Have you tried a low bar squat?
Hmm, not an expert by any means but here’s how I see
I agree deadlift setup seems lacking, almost looks like a stiff leg deadlift. Building up tension before the pull may help. Some lifters “sit back” into it. Maybe not necessary to go that far but could do on some warmups just to get the feel of it
For squats you seem to be breaking at the knees rather than the hips. Obviously your knees will bend but if you initiate at the knees you will lean forward more and it will take you longer to break parallel.
Video is kind of long but can see from various angles
Also agree bar seems like it’s really high on your shoulders maybe try a lower bar placement
@LittleLarry Your squat and explanation of knee grief remind me of when I was figuring out my squat. I also began with high bar, tried plates under my heels, different shoes, different cues, different foot spacing and they just never felt good. I didn’t move with any level of confidence, always feeling like something wasn’t right.
Low bar and barefoot/flat foot shoes fixed ALL of that for me, then it was onward and upward to an easy 500lb gym max with all joints still feeling great over 10 years later.
