55 Yrs Old: 6-Oxo or Alpha Male?

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[quote]Dedicated wrote:
jackdeath wrote:
Ok, so does anyone want to tell me what “M” means when it comes to estrogen and who needs it, and what about Alpha Male? Thank you

M? Are you referring to the product? If so, it was an older version of an Anti Estrogen Biotest made. They now include Vitex Agnes Castus in Alpha Male which is a better inhibitor of female hormones then the formulation in M. If you were referring to something else in regard to M please clarify.

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I just looked at that thread again, and it was from 2004, and they were talking about the product M! If it was an older product, that I didn’t know, thanks for clearing that up, and I’m glad that Alpha Male has something to block estrogen. Thanks for the reply.

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Cool, glad I could help you.

D

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Vitex angus-castus, is “Chasteberry” and it is an estrogen site receptor blocker, not an estrogen production blocker like adex. Big difference.
I personally use a little Chasteberry to be safe as a compliment to my adex.
If you only block the receptor sites (and you’ll never block them all at the same time) you will still have lots of free estrogen looking for a home somewhere. You wouldn’t want to run out of Chasteberry, would you?
Conversely, liquid adex is way cheaper, works for everybody as far as I have ever heard, and stops Testosterone from aromitizing into Estrogen which is the preferred chemical reaction.

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Just starting to feel the affects of age and reduced testosterone levels, and in my case particularly in the bedroom. I have noticed a reduction in drive (once or twice a week as opposed to 3/4 times a week) over the last year, and really over the last six months.

I’m 44 and overwieght at 310 lbs. I’m down from 340 since January. I’ve also been working out on a HIIT total body weight circuit for the last month and will drive the weight lower. Although I feel much better with good amount of energy, and new strength, I havent noticed any of this transfering to the bedroom. I think its time to try something different, as it relates to the good times with the wife, to get back to the old me or at least closer.

I do have a question about taking Alpha Male (which I have already ordered) with HOT-ROX, is this something that is safe to do, are there any side affects i should be aware of in either supp or before combining the two together? Thanks for the feedback.

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I support all the Biotest products so don’t get me wrong here; Seeing as how you are carrying a lot of body fat, and Estrogen production is almost always higher in men with excess body fat, you have got to stop the conversion from T to E, and Alpha Male will not stop the conversion from T to E, (see above post) it will only partially block the receptor sites. You state the sex drive is way less now than before, and less than before that, right?

The only guaranteed way to get the Estrogen out of the receptor sites and your system is to get rid of it first. Liquid Adex for many will do just that. Once you get rid of the excess circulating Estrogen, then you can worry about blocking the receptor sites with a herbal product. If (that’s IF) the Tribulus works for you to create more Testosterone, and you convert it to Estrogen anyway, what’s the use, right?

I believe your question about Alpha Male and HOT-ROX together was regarding too much Carbolin 19, right? It will depend on how you react to it. The website says, “don’t” so I really don’t know. I hope this answers your question.

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[quote]KNB wrote:
I support all the Biotest products so don’t get me wrong here; Seeing as how you are carrying a lot of body fat, and Estrogen production is almost always higher in men with excess body fat, you have got to stop the conversion from T to E, and Alpha Male will not stop the conversion from T to E, (see above post) it will only partially block the receptor sites. You state the sex drive is way less now than before, and less than before that, right? [/quote]

Yes that is correct. Its been a lighter drive, not a non-essistent situation.

What is Liquid Adex? And what is Tribulus? Where can I get more information about both of these? Articles, links, etc.

Thanks,

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Arimidex “adex” is available at the pharmacy for $9.00/mg or as a research chemical for $0.97/mg. Arimidex stops the conversion of Testosterone to Estrogen, to leave more “free” T in your system .

“Tribulus Terrestris” is an herb you can Google to read 100’s of articles about. It is also found in Alpha Male along with Chasteberry as well. Google is your friend. PM me if necessary.

KNB

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[quote]KSman wrote:
Testosterone delivered transdermally creates more estrogen than injected. Hard to compare to orals, but orals get into the blood stream before getting exposed to aromatase in fat tissue, the same as injectables, so those are probably the same in that regard.

Any increase in T will probably increase E. If AM or an other product has something effective to reduce E, then this might not occur.

When doing TRT and getting high T levels, supplement type anti-estrogens rarely work and are also more costly than the correct drug.

DHEA: Some absorb oral DHEA easily, some hardly at all. You need blood work to know. Test for DHEA-s, not DHEA. DHEA works behind the scenes. Those with higher DHEA levels who present at hospitals with a first heart attack, have a higher survival rate than those with low DHEA.

If your DHEA is low, your pregnenolone will also be low and pregnenolone is very important for brain function and memory. [not to be confused with progesterone]. Many need to supplement pregnenolone. Transdermals can be effective and don’t worry about these converting to E from application to the skin.

You probably need DHEA and boosting your T with TRT or otherwise does not lessen your need for DHEA. If your DHEA is low, that can reduce the ability to make T. TRT does shutdown the HPTA which shuts down pregnenolone production in the testes. That is a problem.

DHEA is made from pregnenolone. Injected hCG can keep the testes working at their [age affected] baseline.

You need to determine your current state. Get a male panel from LEF.org. We can help you figure out the numbers. Do not do saliva or urine tests as many have no idea what the results mean. Then start AM. If you feel fantastic, end of story, but if the results are not what you are expecting, then get more lab numbers and see if the product is effective for you.

Note that for AM to work, your HPTA needs to be responsive at both ends, both with the release of LH from the pituitary and the testes then been able to produce more T in response. If your testes are failing, then your LH might already be high. In that case, supplements will be beating a dead horse. If you cannot make LH now, supplements will not change that.

Estrogen: This is very important. Elevated estrogen can destroy energy, thinking, mood and libido, even if T levels are high. Increasing T does no good if E is high.

As we age, there is more and more aromatization of what T we do have. The situation for older men taking T boosting supplements is not the same as for younger men.

Guys who are hypogonadic have not been shown to get TRT type results from anything of a supplement nature. Be open minded and do whatever it takes.

There is probably a lot of terms in this that you do not understand. Google these. If you search for [pregnenolone wiki], it will present material from wikipedia which is good, avoiding every site that wants to sell it.

Remember, when you read how a T supplement works for younger guys, there is good reason to be concerned about how it will work for someone who’s ability to produce T is getting low and on track in the same direction.[/quote]

That panel is mildly pricy.

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[quote]KNB wrote:
Arimidex “adex” is available at the pharmacy for $9.00/mg or as a research chemical for $0.97/mg. Arimidex stops the conversion of Testosterone to Estrogen, to leave more “free” T in your system .

“Tribulus Terrestris” is an herb you can Google to read 100’s of articles about. It is also found in Alpha Male along with Chasteberry as well. Google is your friend. PM me if necessary.

KNB[/quote]

Question: Does Anastrozole do the same thing as Arimidex ?

Cause I have no trustworthy sources for adex but I think I do for Anastrozole.

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[quote]Steve8867 wrote:
Question: Does Anastrozole do the same thing as Arimidex ?

Cause I have no trustworthy sources for adex but I think I do for Anastrozole.
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Anastrozole doesn’t just do the same thing as Arimidex. It is the same thing. Arimidex is a brand name. Anastrozole is the chemical name. Different names for the same thing.

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[quote]happydog48 wrote:
Steve8867 wrote:
Question: Does Anastrozole do the same thing as Arimidex ?

Cause I have no trustworthy sources for adex but I think I do for Anastrozole.

Anastrozole doesn’t just do the same thing as Arimidex. It is the same thing. Arimidex is a brand name. Anastrozole is the chemical name. Different names for the same thing.[/quote]

Good, thanks!

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If one didn’t want to go the research chemical route and their estrogen levels were not extreme would Rez-V or another resveratrol product be a good choice?

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[quote]aikidoka wrote:
If one didn’t want to go the research chemical route and their estrogen levels were not extreme would Rez-V or another resveratrol product be a good choice?[/quote]

There are lots of claimed products, the real question is which ones work.

Vitamin C does a mild amount. So does zinc.

Some people get mild results with DIM, some don’t (and I don’t know why, might be the differences between brands, might be something else).

Forskolin products (such as Carbolin 19) help some people, not others.

Rez-V’s affects seem to be mild, at best, but I’d like to hear from someone who has used it in connection with bloodwork or urine tests.

I’ve been doing a lot of reading, as the research chemicals disqualify one from donating blood, something that has been a part of my life for a long time.