[quote]Contrl wrote:
JJ wrote:
Proviron = “A tad bit of water loss”?
NO WAYY! Its much more than that!
You say it doesnt make sense to stack a couple of aas to minimise atrophy but you say the winny may be good to minimise SHBG…but you dont want the SHBG properties of the proviron, which i happen to know is 1) very reasonable from a few sources, 2) a cheap addition for the OP personally, 3)a must for any test cycle, 4) a mild AI 5) a strong SHBG binding drug 6)great wth a low bodyfat… yes 9% isnt competition ready, but it is a great bodyfat level to have…
He needs to use an anabolic to reduce atrophy from such an extreme goal, and the proviron will help make max use of the test he has - keeping it at a moderate dose too.
Stacking 500mg test, 350mg winstrol and some proviron is hardly superman dosages now it is contrl?
What DO you suggest then? Just testosterone…? Why wouldnt he get the benefit from the winstrol if he has it already? Fair enough if he doesnt want to spend more… but still, proviron is a good choice here IMPO.
JJ
Yes, just Test. What exactly is so un-hardcore about a single compound cutting cycle? He’s trying to reduce bodyfat, hence his primary concern should be his cardiovascular exercise and caloric output. Not just how fancy a cocktail he can stick in himself.
Simplicity goes a long way. There won’t be a need to worry about excess SHBG build-up on a short (5-week) cycle with a moderate (500mg) Test dosage. No fancy assed amount of AAS is going to get him to 9%, his diet and training will.[/quote]
I NEVER said steroids will help him get to 9%. EVER! I dont believe that to be true… so…
You made a fairly valid point in places it just seems to have very little in connection with my post! Almost as if you are disagreeing with me for the sake of it, but i am sure you wouldnt do that…
Test/winny and MAYBE a little proviron isnt a fancy assed cycle in my book, and not for the majority of posters here from the cycles i read about often! Even with a plain ol’ Test cycle - like my first test cycle, i use proviron. I rate its use in AAS use for a variety of reasons, you dont - thats fine, your loss! 
You may be right about not having to worry about SHBG in the 5 weeks, that is probably true, and not something i considered, thanks (however i personally would still add it for its other properties, along with any extra shbg work it may give in the time allotted) - but i do not believe you are right about “only” 500mg of T not needing it. Not at all. In fact it is really useful to manage SHBG in the low doses as while there will be less problem with SHBG, when the globulin is reduced it makes the smaller T dose have a much greater effect.
But adding the Winstrol would be an advantage IMO… not to help him get down to 9%, but to give a nice texture to him when he does get low… i get the grainy look coming through at 10-11% when pumped, so 9% - if he makes it - could look real nice, depending on his physiology.
The extra anabolism with no estrogen, the SHBG properties (winstrol? does it? just going off your comment there…!), possible strength kick start…
Also i never said a single drug cycle is un-hardcore, so no need to take offence - the majority of cycles i have run have included only one AAS (except proviron which i dont really count as an AAS - although it is one, more an ancillary drug) and at a maximum two so far. You do seem to be taking offence from things i simply didnt say… no need obviously!
JJ
