[quote]testanabol wrote:
Good good point, well remembered mate, i think we all know a good research site too.
Fuck the clen though, nasty nasty.[/quote]
Not fond of the clen huh? I would try the research chem route to get your T3.
well at least ul be able to source ur t3 and t4 when ur over ther bud, Greece isnt easy to get hold of goodies now in the last 2 years , even things like clenbuterol is push. If u do manage to however ur more than likely gonna get stuff like norma labs seeing as its Greek lol.
I went into a few chemists over there couple years back n got some very funny looks from the pharmacists when I asked for certain things (wankers) and eca stack would help u cut bit better too bud no? morning cardio on emtpy tummy n ppre wrk out weight sesh . do somelight cardio after ur weights sesh too for 20 mins powerwalking ? least u wont lose size that way either
[quote] JJ wrote:
Test/winny and MAYBE a little proviron isnt a fancy assed cycle in my book, and not for the majority of posters here from the cycles i read about often! Even with a plain ol’ Test cycle - like my first test cycle, i use proviron. I rate its use in AAS use for a variety of reasons, you dont - thats fine, your loss! 
You may be right about not having to worry about SHBG in the 5 weeks, that is probably true, and not something i considered, thanks (however i personally would still add it for its other properties, along with any extra shbg work it may give in the time allotted) - but i do not believe you are right about “only” 500mg of T not needing it. Not at all. In fact it is really useful to manage SHBG in the low doses as while there will be less problem with SHBG, when the globulin is reduced it makes the smaller T dose have a much greater effect.
But adding the Winstrol would be an advantage IMO… not to help him get down to 9%, but to give a nice texture to him when he does get low… i get the grainy look coming through at 10-11% when pumped, so 9% - if he makes it - could look real nice, depending on his physiology.
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I’ve just never been a big fan of temporary upsides that come with certain AAS. For example, I love Anadrol and Tren, but I have to acknowledge that the strength gains are (for the most part) only temporary and people need to realize that. I like Winstrol, but the “dry” effect is ultimately a temporary esteem booster.
On a side note to EE, if he decides to include the Winstrol, he should be careful to listen to his body when judging the dosage. Specifically his joints and tendons. Trying to cut fat by means of cardio when your joints feel like sandpaper is never fun.
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Also i never said a single drug cycle is un-hardcore, so no need to take offence - the majority of cycles i have run have included only one AAS (except proviron which i dont really count as an AAS - although it is one, more an ancillary drug) and at a maximum two so far. You do seem to be taking offence from things i simply didnt say… no need obviously!
JJ[/quote]
I don’t take offence; I just come off that way in text.
ok cool
My wifes cousin has just called to say he has got the contract for the biggest nightclub on the island this summer (it’s not huge and there are only 6 anyway)
But he wants me to help him out while I’m there, so if the atemted cut does not work so well I might benifit from the little extra padding.
Some of you might be thinking why I would work on holiday, but I have to tell you if its a choice between that and staying up till all hours with 20+ of the wifes family speaking Greek all noght I would rather be out at the clubs.
Gives me good excuse to sleep in the next day too (I hate the beach)
[quote]bushidobadboy wrote:
I was thinking “Why would the padding be a good thing?”
Then I realised it was security work, not DJing that you are referring to, correct?
BUshy[/quote]
Yes he wants me to work the door with him this year it will make a nice change to not be restricted by the SIA badge and get back to some old skool slapping of knobhead punters hahaha.
I have DJ’d out there before though.
Ok well in five weeks I lost 12lbs
But only lost 2% BF
I feel small and weak 
No pictures I am embarrassed
I cannot cut without TRT
Anyway I am off in a few days so have a good one guys, I hope Bushy is OK I have not heard from him, is he?
For all you guys who know where I live, don’t even think about robbing me ya cunts! haha
Take care fellas
Sorry mate. When you begin to bulk again, do it clean… mod carbs/low GI and high fibre, high protein, low fat… with a good 20kcal/lb GOAL bw, you should have all the ‘tools’ you need to grow, but less of the insulin storing fat.
Or use T3.
Have a good holiday!!
(Bushy isnt posting much, but he is doing ok. When we speak he sounds upbeat - he is a hard fucker, and i wouldnt fuck with him, and i am quite nasty - so i KNOW he will be fine. Its a shitty situation no less though).
Brook
Cheers Brook, I have some T3 ready and look forward to trying it out once I have read some more about it
This will go against the grain of T-Nation buut…
I was looking at your pictures, and (are you really 5’4"?) you are fairly stocky… you can tell you workout, but you have a ‘irish fighter’ physique… blocky and sturdy, but not much separation between muscles. You are like a block of solid muscle. Good base.
I do not know if you WANT more separation, but i know that you are trying to get the BF down, and i am assuming that is for higher definition… well, if so, then i would suggest you move the heavy, compound, big bang for buck exercises to the rear, making up a lesser percentage of the workout.
Then do more isolative work… so it doesnt have to be all raises and flyes… but hammer strength, and uni-lat cable work, incline DB curls, 1 arm DB scott curls, lunges, db flyes, machine pressing moves… (i find a machine chest press great for stimulating the chest and less tri/delt fatigue, whereas in the bench press my triceps tire before anything else) etc etc.
This will help to improve the musculature of each muscle a little more seperately than when we train more functionally and compounding. Helping each muscle belly to build a little more independantly of its natural movement… It is largely a genetic thing, but can be changed massively by training specifics.
Still train heavy, or whatever you like to do - but a little more emphasis on bringing up individual muscles over the general bulk of your muscle.
I hope this makes sense, if this isnt what you are after - then disregard it, but i think that while there is still room for more base muscle on you - you still have an OK amount to now sculpt with. You can go for pure mass again in 6 months…
Obviously keeping the Deads, Bench, Military, Squat, BB Rows, Dips, BB Curls - but build your sessions around them.
It will go a long way to giving you a more aesthetic physique IME…
This is what i do - i have the base 8 exercises above and EVERY session i create has one of them or their variables in, it has allowed me to create a nicely balanced physique, but with good base thickness IMO.
For someone who is already massively muscular then much more isolative movement can be utilised to maximise each muscles seperation and make them POP, with the big stuff on back burners (i have met v. large BB’s who simply do not squat, bench or DL any more at all… and maintain their body as they cannot afford to spend more on drugs or food! - Still fookin hard work of course… but kinda pure bodybuilding refinement by that stage).
If this is not relevant at all to you eales, no probs! just came to me!
Brook
Thanks a lot man I really do appreciate that, you have taken a lot of your time to help me out and thats ace, and I don’t think this is against thegrain.
I have to be honest what with having two kids two businesses to run and working 70 hour weeks I struggle to maitain a tight diet and training program, when I get the chance to tain a lot of the time I just go n and lift as much havy shit as I can for as long as I can!
hence the difficulty in cutting and the poor definition, some nights I get in from doing 12 hours and I just have to eat carbs cos I’m starvin, I can’t help myself.
I also only get 5-6 sleep a night, hopefully the situation will improve soon and I can dedicate a lot more time to creating a better physique, I would love to keep the size and have a lot more definition
Thanks again you’re a top bloke
In that case - 1 more tip.
If you are used to 300g of carbs - if you suddenly drop to 200g, many will feel dizzy and weak. Imagine dropping to 100 or 50g from 400? its hell.
So the tip is, if going low carb do it gradually. It will take much longer to reach ketosis granted - but you have more chance at sticking to it.
I respond positively to carbs so my current diet (cut) is around 35-40% protein (1-1.5g/lb), 45-50% Carbs and 10-15% fat.
The fat i eat is around 20-40g max, and is from flax etc. The carbs are all whole grains and very low gi. It is boring food but it works. Anyway - at this stage i am eating 200 g grams of CHO on a low ish day, and it makes me dizzy! 200g! Its all relative i guess i am saying. Titrate your carbs!
Brook
I have to go low carb now anyway as i am coming off a 3 month course of metf. not looking forward to it to be honest, last time I went low carb I hated it, I just craved chocolate like a mad man and I was pretty weak, so I suppose I should have done it gradually like you say.
I cannot really go gradual when coming off the metf. though
[quote] Brook wrote:
In that case - 1 more tip.
If you are used to 300g of carbs - if you suddenly drop to 200g, many will feel dizzy and weak. Imagine dropping to 100 or 50g from 400? its hell.
So the tip is, if going low carb do it gradually. It will take much longer to reach ketosis granted - but you have more chance at sticking to it.
I respond positively to carbs so my current diet (cut) is around 35-40% protein (1-1.5g/lb), 45-50% Carbs and 10-15% fat.
The fat i eat is around 20-40g max, and is from flax etc. The carbs are all whole grains and very low gi. It is boring food but it works. Anyway - at this stage i am eating 200 g grams of CHO on a low ish day, and it makes me dizzy! 200g! Its all relative i guess i am saying. Titrate your carbs!
Brook[/quote]
suck it up and drop those carbs fast and cycle them. Shocks the metabolism and works best imo but then again thats considering you stick to your diet, which seems harder for some. especially since he wants this in 5 weeks.
why are you having to go low carb when you come off the metformin mate? infact why are you coming off it at all, i was carrying it on my person when i was on the way to here (holland) and they let it through no problem.
More interested why you intend to go low carb though, my interpretation is that the insulin sensitivity far outlives the course. I would not be overly worried about suppression of testosterone either, it seems (again from research) that this would only apply to those who do not train etc have eaten themselves diabetic - of course being on PCT could complicate things.
[quote]testanabol wrote:
why are you having to go low carb when you come off the metformin mate? infact why are you coming off it at all, i was carrying it on my person when i was on the way to here (holland) and they let it through no problem.
More interested why you intend to go low carb though, my interpretation is that the insulin sensitivity far outlives the course. I would not be overly worried about suppression of testosterone either, it seems (again from research) that this would only apply to those who do not train etc have eaten themselves diabetic - of course being on PCT could complicate things.[/quote]
I am following Bushys protocol, he said to go
ED
EOD
E3D
E4D
And trhen off, and on the off days to go low carb and only low GI foods not even fruit, I suppose that for 3 months on your blood sugar levels have been very stable due to using the metf. and if you suddenly consume lots of sugar and carbs without metformin to blunt the insulin spike then the sudden rise in blood sugar could be damaging as you are not use to it.
Off topic I found someone who had some Norma test E, so I thought if I buy some of that then I can take the box to Greece and use the box to ask for more of the same in Greece.
Anyway I got myself 30ml ready for my next cycle and it is out of date endd of this month: 07/2008, is this a problem? I will not use it until sept, 2 months out of date isnt too bad is it?
[quote]Dave1188 wrote:
Brook wrote:
In that case - 1 more tip.
If you are used to 300g of carbs - if you suddenly drop to 200g, many will feel dizzy and weak. Imagine dropping to 100 or 50g from 400? its hell.
So the tip is, if going low carb do it gradually. It will take much longer to reach ketosis granted - but you have more chance at sticking to it.
I respond positively to carbs so my current diet (cut) is around 35-40% protein (1-1.5g/lb), 45-50% Carbs and 10-15% fat.
The fat i eat is around 20-40g max, and is from flax etc. The carbs are all whole grains and very low gi. It is boring food but it works. Anyway - at this stage i am eating 200 g grams of CHO on a low ish day, and it makes me dizzy! 200g! Its all relative i guess i am saying. Titrate your carbs!
Brook
suck it up and drop those carbs fast and cycle them. Shocks the metabolism and works best imo but then again thats considering you stick to your diet, which seems harder for some. especially since he wants this in 5 weeks.[/quote]
I would agree normally - but he isnt sticking to diets, and have a look at his profile - i personally dont think he looks THAT sensitive to carb induced fat gain…
If he isnt as sensitive to carbs as he thinks he may be able to do something similar to me…
I am planning to drop from 12% to 10% in these next 5 weeks, in my first week only but the water i dropped has tightened me up alot. I am on 35:50:15 to 45:40:15… both are acceptable ratios for me and fat loss… of course it means eating flax and soy bread, wg everything, tuna, chicken, turkey… whey… apples etc etc. 20-30g of fat isnt much! But with continual caloric restrictions - it works for me… might for him too.
B