5 Reasons You Don't Look Like a BB'er

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[quote]MEYMZ wrote:
Professor X wrote:

No one wrote that the big lifts are simply completely avoided for no reason and no one wrote that they avoid squats for no reason. You don’t seem to be grasping what is written.

but no one’s saying they HAVE to switch man.[/quote]

Thank you.

I love when I state facts, provide examples, yet don’t look like a pro bodybuilder yet and I’m only 19, that my argument becomes invalid. Sorry that shit don’t work for me I’m not an idiot and I stand by my opinions and beliefs which I did not creat on my own but rather watching people who have done “it.”

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[quote]MEYMZ wrote:
lewhitehurst wrote:
495 lbs incline for reps on free weights, 590 for reps on my Powertec

hey lewhite, off topic, but have you considered powerlifting during your lifting career?[/quote]

I have. Actually gotten asked constantly. Just honestly never followed through. Even been approached about strongman. I know one thing I would definitely have to do is get the grip strength up and increase the deadlift. Who knows?

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Man I love T-Nation.

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[quote]lewhitehurst wrote:
MEYMZ wrote:
lewhitehurst wrote:
495 lbs incline for reps on free weights, 590 for reps on my Powertec

hey lewhite, off topic, but have you considered powerlifting during your lifting career?

I have. Actually gotten asked constantly. Just honestly never followed through. Even been approached about strongman. I know one thing I would definitely have to do is get the grip strength up and increase the deadlift. Who knows?[/quote]

well 495 on the incline isn’t something you see everyday! Shit man this is how T-Nation should be.

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[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
MEYMZ wrote:
Professor X wrote:

No one wrote that the big lifts are simply completely avoided for no reason and no one wrote that they avoid squats for no reason. You don’t seem to be grasping what is written.

but no one’s saying they HAVE to switch man.

Thank you.

I love when I state facts, provide examples, yet don’t look like a pro bodybuilder yet and I’m only 19, that my argument becomes invalid. Sorry that shit don’t work for me I’m not an idiot and I stand by my opinions and beliefs which I did not creat on my own but rather watching people who have done “it.”[/quote]

Ok. I did say have. You’re right, it is each person’s choice. (I am assuming that was the point you were trying to make, since you never really said what it was.) I have no problem with anyone disagreeing with me, but quite frankly, what offended me was the dismissive and arrogant tone of your post.

And then you doubled the effrontery by quoting your stats as if they were the proof of your correctness.

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No I posted stats because of something prof X stated and I was just showing that I’ve been making progress and my stats are just indications because anyone around here for awhile knows the general size/strength I sit at.

You would be a fool to say that age is something I fall back on. Sorry but you’ll obviously be bigger than me if you’ve trained for 3-4 times as long as me lol.

I just don’t know why any debate Cant be civilized but instead turns to personal insult and to tell you the truth I’ll take a proffesionals opinion over yours. Would you like it if say Ronnie or Jay posted on this site, which neither of you have physiques comparable to and then completely disrespected your beliefs and opinions because you weren’t as big as them.

Any decent person would be more than happy to be friendly and be open to discussion rather han have there periferals on only taking one stance. I’ve agreed and disagreed to something you posted. Discuss why I’m wrong rather than your one sided opinion.

I have buds bigger and stronger than mr that would agree with my statements. Fucking rude and disgusting to disrespect someomes opinion, someone that takes lifting seriously for that matter yet is not advanced as some of the big boys and than feed them with bullshit because hey there’s only one way to do it and your wrong.

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Ok I’ll make my point more clear.

I reread my original post and said nothing arrogant or disrespectful. Just stated I disagreed and gave my reasons why with real life examples. Something you would do in a proffesional debate.

Prof X made a statement and I quote “Further, lewhitehurst has the size and development to stand as an example of what does work to get big. Whether the exact same stance will work for you has yet to be seen.”

With that being said I gave my stats becuase like I previously stated, a lot of people no my history and just to show what kind of improvement I’ve been making training majoritily with free weights.

Funny how if I agreed with you guys my stats would have never played a factor and I’d be praised.

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[quote]SSC wrote:
Holy shit. This may be the most retarded thread to be spawned in at least the last two days.

And that’s saying a lot.[/quote]

Nah the bathroom stink thread is more retarded. lol

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I have recently started adding more machines to my training. Look at Dave Tate’s list of injuries as a testament to the big three over the course of a training career. Some of the the vets and myself train alone, without a partner that is.

I love deadlifting because you do not need a spotter but I am tired of getting pinned under weights in the bench-I do not think it helps my chest development. Just some thoughts, I consider myself intermediate at a pretty solid 205-210 and 5’8’’ with shoes on.

It seems to me that going all out is part of bodybuilding and you cannot do that if you are a strong bencher without a spotter. I am going to continue to push up the big three, I love training them but you have to use machines to truly finish the job IMO.

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[quote]MiJuggernaut wrote:
I have recently started adding more machines to my training. Look at Dave Tate’s list of injuries as a testament to the big three over the course of a training career. Some of the the vets and myself train alone, without a partner that is.

I love deadlifting because you do not need a spotter but I am tired of getting pinned under weights in the bench-I do not think it helps my chest development. Just some thoughts, I consider myself intermediate at a pretty solid 205-210 and 5’8’’ with shoes on.

It seems to me that going all out is part of bodybuilding and you cannot do that if you are a strong bencher without a spotter. I am going to continue to push up the big three, I love training them but you have to use machines to truly finish the job IMO. [/quote]

…and I doubt any of the larger guys here will disagree with that…aside from one 19 year old who hasn’t been lifting long enough to understand joint pain or the increase risk of injury that comes from simply moving massive weight for several years on end.

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[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
No I posted stats because of something prof X stated and I was just showing that I’ve been making progress and my stats are just indications because anyone around here for awhile knows the general size/strength I sit at.

You would be a fool to say that age is something I fall back on. Sorry but you’ll obviously be bigger than me if you’ve trained for 3-4 times as long as me lol.

I just don’t know why any debate Cant be civilized but instead turns to personal insult and to tell you the truth I’ll take a proffesionals opinion over yours. Would you like it if say Ronnie or Jay posted on this site, which neither of you have physiques comparable to and then completely disrespected your beliefs and opinions because you weren’t as big as them.

Any decent person would be more than happy to be friendly and be open to discussion rather han have there periferals on only taking one stance. I’ve agreed and disagreed to something you posted. Discuss why I’m wrong rather than your one sided opinion.

I have buds bigger and stronger than mr that would agree with my statements. Fucking rude and disgusting to disrespect someomes opinion, someone that takes lifting seriously for that matter yet is not advanced as some of the big boys and than feed them with bullshit because hey there’s only one way to do it and your wrong.

[/quote]

This is a bodybuilding site, not a place to dominate threads with child like arguments. Respect the people that are stronger and wiser, and learn from them.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
MiJuggernaut wrote:
I have recently started adding more machines to my training. Look at Dave Tate’s list of injuries as a testament to the big three over the course of a training career. Some of the the vets and myself train alone, without a partner that is.

I love deadlifting because you do not need a spotter but I am tired of getting pinned under weights in the bench-I do not think it helps my chest development. Just some thoughts, I consider myself intermediate at a pretty solid 205-210 and 5’8’’ with shoes on.

It seems to me that going all out is part of bodybuilding and you cannot do that if you are a strong bencher without a spotter. I am going to continue to push up the big three, I love training them but you have to use machines to truly finish the job IMO.

…and I doubt any of the larger guys here will disagree with that…aside from one 19 year old who hasn’t been lifting long enough to understand joint pain or the increase risk of injury that comes from simply moving massive weight for several years on end.[/quote]

Lol X if you can point out where I said don’t use machines I’ll buy your protein for a year. Instead I said the opposite machines have there place but heavy free weight exercises do not HAVE to be dropped. Funny how you won’t address any thing I post that’s relative.

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[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
austin_bicep wrote:
No I posted stats because of something prof X stated and I was just showing that I’ve been making progress and my stats are just indications because anyone around here for awhile knows the general size/strength I sit at.

You would be a fool to say that age is something I fall back on. Sorry but you’ll obviously be bigger than me if you’ve trained for 3-4 times as long as me lol.

I just don’t know why any debate Cant be civilized but instead turns to personal insult and to tell you the truth I’ll take a proffesionals opinion over yours. Would you like it if say Ronnie or Jay posted on this site, which neither of you have physiques comparable to and then completely disrespected your beliefs and opinions because you weren’t as big as them.

Any decent person would be more than happy to be friendly and be open to discussion rather han have there periferals on only taking one stance. I’ve agreed and disagreed to something you posted. Discuss why I’m wrong rather than your one sided opinion.

I have buds bigger and stronger than mr that would agree with my statements. Fucking rude and disgusting to disrespect someomes opinion, someone that takes lifting seriously for that matter yet is not advanced as some of the big boys and than feed them with bullshit because hey there’s only one way to do it and your wrong.

This is a bodybuilding site, not a place to dominate threads with child like arguments. Respect the people that are stronger and wiser, and learn from them.[/quote]

Since when is nobody aloud to have an opinion and since when do you dictate what is or is not a childish argument.

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[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
Professor X wrote:
MiJuggernaut wrote:
I have recently started adding more machines to my training. Look at Dave Tate’s list of injuries as a testament to the big three over the course of a training career. Some of the the vets and myself train alone, without a partner that is.

I love deadlifting because you do not need a spotter but I am tired of getting pinned under weights in the bench-I do not think it helps my chest development. Just some thoughts, I consider myself intermediate at a pretty solid 205-210 and 5’8’’ with shoes on.

It seems to me that going all out is part of bodybuilding and you cannot do that if you are a strong bencher without a spotter. I am going to continue to push up the big three, I love training them but you have to use machines to truly finish the job IMO.

…and I doubt any of the larger guys here will disagree with that…aside from one 19 year old who hasn’t been lifting long enough to understand joint pain or the increase risk of injury that comes from simply moving massive weight for several years on end.

Lol X if you can point out where I said don’t use machines I’ll buy your protein for a year. Instead I said the opposite machines have there place but heavy free weight exercises do not HAVE to be dropped. Funny how you won’t address any thing I post that’s relative. [/quote]

I’ve addressed what you’ve posted. You claimed you have watched some videos. That’s great. Videos are a great place to learn some things…however, many times these lifters will do movements in the videos that they don’t normally do. Why? Because it is a fucking video. Experience trumps video watching.

I am sure my barbell bench would be over 500lbs by now for a max if I gave a shit about doing that or stuck with barbell bench all of these years. One of the biggest problems I had even back when I was using dumbbells primarily was the lack of a decent spotter.

Once you truly reach those upper levels of strength, unless you literally train with some guys getting ready to go pro, you can’t trust any random jackass in the gym to spot you safely.

Anyone who is not aware of this might as well tear their own triceps off the bone instead of waiting for it to happen later.

While someone who literally surrounds themselves with other 250+lbs bodybuilders may not have to ditch some of these movements, the same does not apply to those of us who do not train at Venice beach and are often the biggest guys in the gym.

I use more hammer strength machines now because I can go all out without risking that type of injury. Many of these pro’s do the same. If you are still arguing semantics about who HAS to ditch some free weight movements, please quit posting in this thread.

Many will HAVE to make that switch if they plan to continue growing.

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[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
WestCoast7 wrote:
austin_bicep wrote:
No I posted stats because of something prof X stated and I was just showing that I’ve been making progress and my stats are just indications because anyone around here for awhile knows the general size/strength I sit at.

You would be a fool to say that age is something I fall back on. Sorry but you’ll obviously be bigger than me if you’ve trained for 3-4 times as long as me lol.

I just don’t know why any debate Cant be civilized but instead turns to personal insult and to tell you the truth I’ll take a proffesionals opinion over yours.

Would you like it if say Ronnie or Jay posted on this site, which neither of you have physiques comparable to and then completely disrespected your beliefs and opinions because you weren’t as big as them.

Any decent person would be more than happy to be friendly and be open to discussion rather han have there periferals on only taking one stance. I’ve agreed and disagreed to something you posted. Discuss why I’m wrong rather than your one sided opinion.

I have buds bigger and stronger than mr that would agree with my statements. Fucking rude and disgusting to disrespect someomes opinion, someone that takes lifting seriously for that matter yet is not advanced as some of the big boys and than feed them with bullshit because hey there’s only one way to do it and your wrong.

This is a bodybuilding site, not a place to dominate threads with child like arguments. Respect the people that are stronger and wiser, and learn from them.

Since when is nobody aloud to have an opinion and since when do you dictate what is or is not a childish argument. [/quote]

When you decided to hijack a thread (however pointless of a thread it may be) and rant and complain about your thoughts, in addition to being served repeatedly by wiser, stronger members of this community. I’m sure you are strong, but pulling out stat lines in an argument is a glaring sign of insecurity, not to mention asking to be shown up.

If you have questions, comments, or concerns, why not start a thread of your own? I’m not taking sides. I would just prefer if people in this community stayed away from battles of insecurity, and focused their energy on “the intelligent and relentless pursuit of muscle”. Especially people like you who challenge much more respected members of this community.

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Surprisingly…

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
austin_bicep wrote:
Professor X wrote:
MiJuggernaut wrote:
I have recently started adding more machines to my training. Look at Dave Tate’s list of injuries as a testament to the big three over the course of a training career. Some of the the vets and myself train alone, without a partner that is.

I love deadlifting because you do not need a spotter but I am tired of getting pinned under weights in the bench-I do not think it helps my chest development. Just some thoughts, I consider myself intermediate at a pretty solid 205-210 and 5’8’’ with shoes on.

It seems to me that going all out is part of bodybuilding and you cannot do that if you are a strong bencher without a spotter. I am going to continue to push up the big three, I love training them but you have to use machines to truly finish the job IMO.

…and I doubt any of the larger guys here will disagree with that…aside from one 19 year old who hasn’t been lifting long enough to understand joint pain or the increase risk of injury that comes from simply moving massive weight for several years on end.

Lol X if you can point out where I said don’t use machines I’ll buy your protein for a year. Instead I said the opposite machines have there place but heavy free weight exercises do not HAVE to be dropped. Funny how you won’t address any thing I post that’s relative.

I’ve addressed what you’ve posted. You claimed you have watched some videos. That’s great. Videos are a great place to learn some things…however, many times these lifters will do movements in the videos that they don’t normally do. Why? Because it is a fucking video. Experience trumps video watching.

I am sure my barbell bench would be over 500lbs by now for a max if I gave a shit about doing that or stuck with barbell bench all of these years. One of the biggest problems I had even back when I was using dumbbells primarily was the lack of a decent spotter.

Once you truly reach those upper levels of strength, unless you literally train with some guys getting ready to go pro, you can’t trust any random jackass in the gym to spot you safely.

Anyone who is not aware of this might as well tear their own triceps off the bone instead of waiting for it to happen later.

While someone who literally surrounds themselves with other 250+lbs bodybuilders may not have to ditch some of these movements, the same does not apply to those of us who do not train at Venice beach and are often the biggest guys in the gym.

I use more hammer strength machines now because I can go all out without risking that type of injury. Many of these pro’s do the same. If you are still arguing semantics about who HAS to ditch some free weight movements, please quit posting in this thread.

Many will HAVE to make that switch if they plan to continue growing.[/quote]

Ok I grasp what you are saying, but I still don’t find it valid that a spotter is the cause of “many” people ditching free weights. What do powerlifters do, move to machine bench until the day of their competition because they didn’t have a spot. Powerlifting probably has more participants than bodybuilding if not relatively close to the amount. That’s a pretty decent amount of people.

I’m not trying to make some huge debate just rather voiceing my opinion and try to discuss why it’s correct while steering clear of insult and invalid points.

I hope there are no hard feeling here because I’m not some prick but I don’t enjoy words being put into my mout and assumptions being made about things I didn’t discuss.

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[quote]WestCoast7 wrote:
austin_bicep wrote:
WestCoast7 wrote:
austin_bicep wrote:
No I posted stats because of something prof X stated and I was just showing that I’ve been making progress and my stats are just indications because anyone around here for awhile knows the general size/strength I sit at.

You would be a fool to say that age is something I fall back on. Sorry but you’ll obviously be bigger than me if you’ve trained for 3-4 times as long as me lol.

I just don’t know why any debate Cant be civilized but instead turns to personal insult and to tell you the truth I’ll take a proffesionals opinion over yours. Would you like it if say Ronnie or Jay posted on this site, which neither of you have physiques comparable to and then completely disrespected your beliefs and opinions because you weren’t as big as them.

Any decent person would be more than happy to be friendly and be open to discussion rather han have there periferals on only taking one stance. I’ve agreed and disagreed to something you posted. Discuss why I’m wrong rather than your one sided opinion.

I have buds bigger and stronger than mr that would agree with my statements. Fucking rude and disgusting to disrespect someomes opinion, someone that takes lifting seriously for that matter yet is not advanced as some of the big boys and than feed them with bullshit because hey there’s only one way to do it and your wrong.

This is a bodybuilding site, not a place to dominate threads with child like arguments. Respect the people that are stronger and wiser, and learn from them.

Since when is nobody aloud to have an opinion and since when do you dictate what is or is not a childish argument.

When you decided to hijack a thread (however pointless of a thread it may be) and rant and complain about your thoughts, in addition to being served repeatedly by wiser, stronger members of this community. I’m sure you are strong, but pulling out stat lines in an argument is a glaring sign of insecurity, not to mention asking to be shown up.

If you have questions, comments, or concerns, why not start a thread of your own? I’m not taking sides. I would just prefer if people in this community stayed away from battles of insecurity, and focused their energy on “the intelligent and relentless pursuit of muscle”. Especially people like you who challenge much more respected members of this community.[/quote]

thank you Dr. Phil but I’m a very secure individual.

How about you stop being a hypocrite then, and contributing more “useless” things, as well as listening to someone stronger and wiser, ie. me, becuase I did venture into your profile and saw your stats and they were nothing.

Not being rude just asking you to follow your own advices.

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[quote]austin_bicep wrote:
Ok I grasp what you are saying, but I still don’t find it valid that a spotter is the cause of “many” people ditching free weights. What do powerlifters do, move to machine bench until the day of their competition because they didn’t have a spot. Powerlifting probably has more participants than bodybuilding if not relatively close to the amount. That’s a pretty decent amount of people.

I’m not trying to make some huge debate just rather voiceing my opinion and try to discuss why it’s correct while steering clear of insult and invalid points.

I hope there are no hard feeling here because I’m not some prick but I don’t enjoy words being put into my mout and assumptions being made about things I didn’t discuss.[/quote]

Someone brought up the many injuries that Dave Tate has experienced. This is normal in powerlifting at that level…and is something they accept as a possibility and reality to keep doing what they love.

A disfiguring injury in bodybuilding can END any further progress in that sport…PERIOD. That is why someone focused on building up their muscles as well as strength is more attentive to the risk of injury than someone who focuses on the lift itself and accepts whatever risks will allow them to do that movement.

My goal is to build up specific muscle groups, not to simply move a weight from point A to point B.

That means I do not want a fucking pec tear just so I can keep doing a barbell bench press for a competition. I would much rather move to dumbbells or machines so I still have my chest muscles 10 years from now rather than risk destroying what I’ve worked hard for all of these years.

For you to compare powerlifting with bodybuilding and not acknowledge that difference is yet another reason why experience trumps “theory”.

Some guys here have the experience. A smart person knows when to listen and learn.

Everyone else makes troll threads on bodybuilding forums…or argues against what I can count as at least 3 big lifters in this thread alone who all agree with each other.

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[quote]Professor X wrote:
austin_bicep wrote:
Ok I grasp what you are saying, but I still don’t find it valid that a spotter is the cause of “many” people ditching free weights. What do powerlifters do, move to machine bench until the day of their competition because they didn’t have a spot. Powerlifting probably has more participants than bodybuilding if not relatively close to the amount. That’s a pretty decent amount of people.

I’m not trying to make some huge debate just rather voiceing my opinion and try to discuss why it’s correct while steering clear of insult and invalid points.

I hope there are no hard feeling here because I’m not some prick but I don’t enjoy words being put into my mout and assumptions being made about things I didn’t discuss.

Someone brought up the many injuries that Dave Tate has experienced. This is normal in powerlifting at that level…and is something they accept as a possibility and reality to keep doing what they love.

A disfiguring injury in bodybuilding can END any further progress in that sport…PERIOD. That is why someone focused on building up their muscles as well as strength is more attentive to the risk of injury than someone who focuses on the lift itself and accepts whatever risks will allow them to do that movement.

My goal is to build up specific muscle groups, not to simply move a weight from point A to point B.

That means I do not want a fucking pec tear just so I can keep doing a barbell bench press for a competition. I would much rather move to dumbbells or machines so I still have my chest muscles 10 years from now rather than risk destroying what I’ve worked hard for all of these years.

For you to compare powerlifting with bodybuilding and not acknowledge that difference is yet another reason why experience trumps “theory”.

Some guys here have the experience. A smart person knows when to listen and learn.

Everyone else makes troll threads on bodybuilding forums…or argues against what I can count as at least 3 big lifters in this thread alone who all agree with each other.[/quote]

Levrone powerlifted, Ronnie powerlifted, Johnnie powerlifts, White powerlifts, Franco powerlifted, I belive Corimier powerlifted etc. etc.

Whos saying anyways that bodybuilders should train like powerlifters? I figure people get injured more often powerlifting because the focus is on, singles, doubles, triples. Things bodybuilders often do not do.

To consider me “trolling,” well that’s a joke and I count only 2 big peoe with your stance, you and lewhitehurst…