He’s saying that these athletes have such elite conditioning, 5/3/1 simply isn’t an elite enough program. Modifying 5/3/1 with extra shit is way more elite for elite athletes.
Elite.
Soooo you’re saying that due to intense conditioning your athletes are unable to add weight per month on 5/3/1. Then you proceed to change the 5/3/1 rep scheme by adding more volume?? Even on the deload week you are adding 7 more reps per set than written?
The intensity percentages haven’t even changed. Wouldn’t it be smarter to reduce the percentages and keep the same volume…
If your “athletes” are eatting properly and resting properly, the conditioning shouldn’t be detrimental to their 2.5-10pound gains per month. If that was so football players or wrestlers wouldn’t be getting stronger at all.
[quote]Zerpp wrote:
Soooo you’re saying that due to intense conditioning your athletes are unable to add weight per month on 5/3/1.
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No, he’s not saying that. He’s saying that because of the condition that his athletes are ALREADY in, they aren’t getting stronger doing the recommended template.
Essentially, he’s implying that his athletes are just so awesome, that they aren’t breaking a sweat doing the regular old 5/3/1. Without the added volume, it’s just not enough work to make his guys stronger.
Ok well if u don’t get anything out it go for max reps at the last set. I do that and I also do a good amount of conditioning so I don’t really understand how you wouldent get anything out , but then I’m not awesome
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
He’s saying that these athletes have such elite conditioning, 5/3/1 simply isn’t an elite enough program. Modifying 5/3/1 with extra shit is way more elite for elite athletes.
Elite.[/quote]
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BTW, this guy also started the exact same thread in the Conditioning section. He’s provided almost no information about what he actually does, no videos, pictures, or information about any particular athletes he’s actually training. It’s hard to figure out what he’s trying to get out of these forums, since he’s not asking questions, just posting a training template. My guess is personal advertisement.
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
[quote]Zerpp wrote:
Soooo you’re saying that due to intense conditioning your athletes are unable to add weight per month on 5/3/1.
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No, he’s not saying that. He’s saying that because of the condition that his athletes are ALREADY in, they aren’t getting stronger doing the recommended template.
Essentially, he’s implying that his athletes are just so awesome, that they aren’t breaking a sweat doing the regular old 5/3/1. Without the added volume, it’s just not enough work to make his guys stronger.
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AH I see, was rather a bit confusing, since he provided no information about his athletes
[quote]flipcollar wrote:
BTW, this guy also started the exact same thread in the Conditioning section. He’s provided almost no information about what he actually does, no videos, pictures, or information about any particular athletes he’s actually training. It’s hard to figure out what he’s trying to get out of these forums, since he’s not asking questions, just posting a training template. My guess is personal advertisement.[/quote]
Point of thread: Crossfit guys are way too ELITE for the programs us normal people use
It’s not elite if everyone can do it
I get the point of the op.531 is a ball of hype.Come on it calls for 4 worksets per week and thats if you choose the 4 day a week template,hardly asking for more than bare minimum effort.
A couple of easy rampups then 1 amrap and then take it easy on the assistance,
[quote]Multiple Moods wrote:
I get the point of the op.531 is a ball of hype.Come on it calls for 4 worksets per week and thats if you choose the 4 day a week template,hardly asking for more than bare minimum effort.
A couple of easy rampups then 1 amrap and then take it easy on the assistance,
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If you don’t like the program, don’t run it. It’s as simple as that. It has worked for tons of people, so it’s more than just hype. Any program will work as long as you run it in a way to fit your goals.
If you want to change it, fine. But then you’re not running 5/3/1, you’re running something different that may be based off of 5/3/1. There’s nothing wrong with that, but it’s just not the same program anymore.
If you can try to set rep PR on the four main lifts every week and call it a “bare minimum effort”, you’re doing something wrong.
First off, I absolutely love the 5/3/1 and the idea’s behind it. My version just seems to help “us” better. Like i said i was just wanted to share with other people. If you don’t do it, or think its stupid, That is totally fine. Im not doing this for advertisement, i havent listed my gym, website or tried to sell anything on here.
EDIT: I retract my actual post because I suspect Ive been trolled haha.
-Zep
Over on EFS, it is either Darden or Yard (I was reading both this morning) says on DL day they have been using the same %'s and going 1-1-amrap. Have they “bastardized” the program? I took his post to mean the extra reps actually provided the conditioning. Interesting actually. I applaud the guy for actually “thinking” about it and trying something. If it doesn’t work, there’s always the original.
@flipcollar-
So I have to post a video to justify a post? Joke
[quote]Rave2.0 wrote:
@flipcollar-
So I have to post a video to justify a post? Joke[/quote]
I don’t remember saying anything to you about posting a video, I thought I was talking about the OP. And since he’s a crossfit trainer, it’s not an outlandish thing for me to mention videos. I also mentioned videos in the context of several other things, videos were just one of several things that would help us understand the OP’s perspective, and the type of athlete he’s working with.
There’s nothing wrong with modifying 5/3/1. 3/5/1 was a modification of 5/3/1, they both still follow the same philosophy. And there are other ways to do it too. But if you’re going to suggest a certain way to modify it, you should explain a bit more than just posting the 4 week cycle %'s, and reps. Otherwise beginners or the clueless will just follow it assuming that because since it’s their 1st or 2nd cycle and the weights are too easy, they’ll pick your modification over the original. They will “overtrain” and then blame the program for not working.
I’ve modified 5/3/1 also, but I still log it and tell others when they ask, that I do 5/3/1. Modifications are necessary as time goes on. That’s why 5x5’s have so many variations, even sheiko has a crap load of #'s to it. 5/3/1 has modifications for sports, powerlifting, and the original, but Wendler has gone to lengths explaining the reasons behind the modifications.
I think the issue is that this is posted in a powerlifting forum and the op was letting us know that this helped crossfitters…
[quote]mlekava000 wrote:
I stopped reading at “Crossfitters”
Also, if you are all so “very strong” I guess you know what to do. /thread![/quote]
My thoughts exactly…
I feel like 5/3/1 is the easiest program to modify to your needs. Just don’t do it for the 5/3/1 sets and leave all the modification for the assistance work.