46, New Here, Looking for Suggestions

my questions have probably been asked a thousand times but this is the first time by me.first a little history,im 46 and i have been working out an average of 4 days a week for about two years.i see results but not nearly what i feel i should be seeing.i have tried many test boosters but never saw any real results from them.

im self employed and insured so i cant afford to go to an anti ageing clinc to get hgh or real testosterone. does anyone have any suggestions or information on products that work and would give results.i love lifting but my workout partner is 18 and it gets discouraging seeing how he progresses. thanks

you can’t afford an anti-aging clinic, and you want some cheap miracle product, hu?

c’mon dude… how successful do you think this little search of yours is going to be? honestly?

LOL

The truth is, there are many online clinics that you can apply to for no more than the cost of a physical and bloodwork- and from there it would be only the cost of your injections & anti-estrogens. (in my personal experience) I thought the cost was very reasonable, and the clinic even let me use my own doctor for the bloodwork and physical (which saved me even more money) and the monthly cost is also well worth it. (considering the benefits)

But maybe there’s some powerful herb that can do it for you instead. Who knows… I’ll let someone else tell you about that one. :wink:

[quote]douglas3 wrote:
my questions have probably been asked a thousand times but this is the first time by me.first a little history,im 46 and i have been working out an average of 4 days a week for about two years.i see results but not nearly what i feel i should be seeing.i have tried many test boosters but never saw any real results from them.im self employed and insured so i cant afford to go to an anti ageing clinc to get hgh or real testosterone. does anyone have any suggestions or information on products that work and would give results.i love lifting but my workout partner is 18 and it gets discouraging seeing how he progresses. thanks [/quote]

Know very little about testosterone issues and have never even heard of anti-ageing clinics. You haven’t said you have any of the other issues associated with low T except not liking your results. Have you taken a good look at your routine to see if maybe it could use some tweaking. I do know if you’re going to compare your progress at 46 to those of an 18 year old you’re going to be continually discouraged no matter what you take.

At 46 I had the same problem. Found out I had really low testosterone. I tried the test boosters and they only made the hormone problem worse. I am now on HRT and feel great. My advice would be to go see a doctor and treat the problem properly not with junk.

Got to go with Chief on this one. What does your macro nutreint breakdown look like? If "Looking good’ is your goal what goes in your mouth is probably more important then what goes on the bar. Double check your training and your diet. IMHO to many people want to jump to the chemical alternitive before really working thier ass off in the diet and training. Good Luck and welcome to the board!

See the thread in this forum: Blood Tests on Sale

Get some data and really know what is going on. You may not have clinical hypogonadism, a narrow definition, but maybe hitting limitations caused by declining T levels.

On-line clinics will not write scripts for you. They will ship drugs and needles at huge markups. And they can often charge too much for blood work.

Testosterone and hCG are cheap in the USA as prescription drugs. TRT is affordable.

I have a lot to say to those who are self-employed or small s-corps.

You are self employed. If you have a 'high deductibility" health plan, also get a HSA and fund that with pre-tax dollars. Have your insurance auto pay med expenses from that and also get a debit card to pay for other medical related expenses.

And get your taxable income reduced which is more money in your pocket. With the debit card and auto-pay through your health insurance, you then do not have the burden of mailing claims and receipts to the HSA or insurer.

You still need to keep receipts for the HSA debit card use in case the IRA was ever to audit your HSA distributions. HSA contributions limits for 2007 were $5650 for two (filing jointly).

Add another $800 for each of you that are over 55 years old. Turbo-Tax 2007 was not allowing the $800 for an over 50 spouse of a under 50 tax payer filing jointly. I battled with Turbo-Tax for over 2 hours and the code has been fixed and is available via the on-line updates.

When self employed, you can set up a SEP-IRA and put up to 25% of your earnings into that, saving a huge amount of taxation.

If you have any investments in non tax sheltered plans or stocks etc. Max out your SEP-IRA every year, drawing down those other investment and moving money into the SEP-IRA. A nice shell game and perfectly legal. The earnings and capital gains in the SEP-IRA are tax sheltered.

For 2007, the contribution limit is $15,550. If over age 50, add another $5000. The rules and regs in IRS Sec. 1.414(v)-1 are very clear about the SEP-IRA catch-up. However, IRS publication is a flawed document and IRS employees read it wrong. Turbo-Tax also does not thing that SEP-IRAs have catch-ups.

However I have forwarded 1.414(v) and other legislation, three items, one a Treasury directive to the IRS, to their attention. Many plan administrators understand the SEP-IRA catch-up. With Turbo-Tax 2007 you need to over-ride the calculation.

Health, wealth and taxes are all connected.

[quote]KSman wrote:
See the thread in this forum: Blood tests on sale

Get some data and really know what is going on. You may not have clinical hypogonadism, a narrow definition, but maybe hitting limitations caused by declining T levels.

On-line clinics will not write scripts for you. They will ship drugs and needles at huge markups. And they can often charge too much for blood work.

Testosterone and hCG are cheap in the USA as prescription drugs. TRT is affordable.

I have a lot to say to those who are self-employed or small s-corps.

You are self employed. If you have a 'high deductibility" health plan, also get a HSA and fund that with pre-tax dollars. Have your insurance auto pay med expenses from that and also get a debit card to pay for other medical related expenses. And get your taxable income reduced which is more money in your pocket. With the debit card and auto-pay through your health insurance, you then do not have the burden of mailing claims and receipts to the HSA or insurer. You still need to keep receipts for the HSA debit card use in case the IRA was ever to audit your HSA distributions. HSA contributions limits for 2007 were $5650 for two (filing jointly). Add another $800 for each of you that are over 55 years old. Turbo-Tax 2007 was not allowing the $800 for an over 50 spouse of a under 50 tax payer filing jointly. I battled with Turbo-Tax for over 2 hours and the code has been fixed and is available via the on-line updates.

When self employed, you can set up a SEP-IRA and put up to 25% of your earnings into that, saving a huge amount of taxation.

If you have any investments in non tax sheltered plans or stocks etc. Max out your SEP-IRA every year, drawing down those other investment and moving money into the SEP-IRA. A nice shell game and perfectly legal. The earnings and capital gains in the SEP-IRA are tax sheltered.

For 2007, the contribution limit is $15,550. If over age 50, add another $5000. The rules and regs in IRS Sec. 1.414(v)-1 are very clear about the SEP-IRA catch-up. However, IRS publication is a flawed document and IRS employees read it wrong. Turbo-Tax also does not thing that SEP-IRAs have catch-ups. However I have forwarded 1.414(v) and other legislation, three items, one a Treasury directive to the IRS, to their attention. Many plan administrators understand the SEP-IRA catch-up. With Turbo-Tax 2007 you need to over-ride the calculation.

Health, wealth and taxes are all connected.[/quote]

ok, a little out of the blue, but you’re right on. For those of you who are self employed and have not set up an IRA or SEP its rather simple to due, and the benefits are extreme when measured over time.

As Ksman noted, the deferral of taxes on gains/profits (capital or ordinary) is one of the most advanced advantages to self employed individuals. The reduction of income on and annual basis via a deduction on your tax return is a good bonus.

Setting up one of these accounts is pretty simple. I have two, one for my wife and one for me, and we set them up at etrade and Merrill Lynch. Funding one is low level at etrade, the Merrill account was higher, and a little more expensive, but we wanted some of the other account benefits including access to their full research library (think T-Nation search function but in financial/company terms).

One other thing you might want to consider is a Roth IRA. These accounts shelter you from immediate ordinary and capital gains, but without the benefit of being able to take a deduction from your tax return for contributions to the account.

However, with a Roth IRA (unlike a traditional IRA or SEP) you gain the benefit of allowing your money to grow tax free, and then when you withdraw monies from this account you withdraw the funds TAX FREE.

Depending on current tax rates at the time of your withdrawl {who knows what they will be then, and in my case maybe 45 years out}, your circumstances then and now, and your age, this type of account could allow you to grow your retirement money fast, furious, and safe.

Take your retirement serious, if your struggling financially now, at a younger, think about how much it would suck to struggle when your at retirment ages with very little prospects to earn the type of money you will need to live in retirement.

Consider that history has proven over multiple generations that the cost of everyting, housing, food, cars, electricity, gasoline, etc., goes up, sideways, and then up again. It is an inevitable truth that thru the power of multiplication (read inflation) you will need many times more money later to live in the same manner as you live now, even if you do downsize.

If you can adjust your financial priorities to address a retirment savings then you should. If you cant because your are struggling then it is more important that you take whatever steps necessary to start.

I suggest you make the hard decisions to change the way you live to make sure you’re paying yourself first (retirement account contributions) and then making do with what is left; you maybe be struggling but you will guarantee that you wont need to rent a shared room for your retirement castle.

You will like this site. There is a lot of information here.

I used the Metabolic Drive and the Alpha Male from this site, and am more than satisfied. Further, I - at 65- cut down the amount of Alpha Male I take. I feel good and believe it works, and will re-order.

Also, it helps to pay for keeping this site up.

[quote]KSman wrote:

Health, wealth and taxes are all connected.[/quote]

Damn. I’m screwed.

I’m also 46, have been training for about 1 year, and am pretty happy with my progress, which is approximately 40 lbs of fat lost and 25 lbs of muscle gained so far. Previously when much younger I tried getting in shape occasionally, with more modest results, because I didn’t know what I was doing either in training or eating.

I mention this to show that it might not be your T-level (mine was probably higher when I was young), but of course it sure could be. You should really get it tested somehow. Maybe it’s high and you just need to change training or nutrition, which would be great news and would save you a ton of money and side-effects from unnecessary T-boosters.

  - MarkT

I feel compelled to respond. I am only 41 but a few years ago I would have made the exact same statements you are making. I struggled at first but my problem was diet. I was trying to eat clean (Former Fat Ass) and didn’t want to regress. I started eating enough to gain a couple of pounds per month and found that about 70% of it was muscle. I guess this isn’t bad for my age. It is about the best I have been able to do so far (I am still trying to do better). I think alot of people have unrealistic expectations.

You have to eat right and work out right for years to make significant progress. It gets harder as you get older and it isn’t easy to start with. Now, this may or may not be the case for you. First ask yourself: Are you gaining weight? Now, if you are gaining weight and it isn’t muscle, check your work out. I wouldn’t rule out hormones but from my standpoint, I wouldn’t put them first on your list.

(Al here-husband)
sounds like solid careful advice ampleforth. And I do agree with your comments. But the thing I’ve learned since being on HRT is that there is a HUGE difference in how a body responds to our hard dieting work and exercise when we re-establish a solid hormonal base to work from. I worked out all this year (like usual) on a very good diet and a great workout plan with very poor results. I had a 300’s total test and less than 1% free. As soon as I went on HRT the results after only a couple months were fantastic, and it made me realize just how messed up my hormonal system was. So even though I agree that patience is a vurtue, it’s important to realize that in many cases older men are set up hormonally to fail before they even start an exercise program because of their testosterone level. JMO