400M

Iron~

I would love to just do speed with intensive and extensive on the off days, but my coach won’t go for it…

So, we actually do intensive after speed, but the volume is low. On the National Team, they will actually do the beep test prior to practicing at times.

I would love to just do speed with intensive and extensive on the off days, but my coach won’t go for it…

This is the intermittent version.

Most of my girls are in the Level 17 to 19 range. There are 320 yards of intensive work for each level 14+, so L14 to L19 = 6 * 320 = 1920 yards of steadily building intensive sprinting.

Ugh.

We had a girl miss testing for a mid-term, so she came out prior to practice, ran an 18-8, then played in our 3-v-3 tourney at practice… 6, 4 minute 3v3 sessions with 2 minutes between sessions.

Awesome.

So yes, it is overkill, but most of our girls don’t kill themselves doing sprint work, and if we didn’t work them, they would go to the ellipticals…

frustrating.

J

Iron,

Yes, Tabata has many forms out there… that being one of them…

That is merely an inverted work to rest ratio… awesome and horrible all at once…

: )

Jumanji,

Not to hijack, but this does seem appropriate:

My niece is currently running the 1 and 2 mile in high school track. She sees it as a means to improve her soccer ability. I’ve tried to be gentle with her and I’ve encouraged her to work on more explosive events (hell, I was trying to talk her in to some throwing events to balance out the endurance). However, she also has social factors that effected her decision (they needed distance runners and her dad ran distance, etc., etc.).

Anyway, this is what I have to work with over the summer … and I need to get her some first-step (and say 30m) quickness. What is my best bet? I can get her on the track and I can get her doing bodyweight exercises, but weights are likely out of the question (I may make her a sandbag so she has something).

I’d like to capitalize on her endurance capacities and maintain it. One of the first things the coach does in camp is test their 2 mile times. If she does well there, she can get noticed and have a better shot at a starting position. Not ideal, but again, this is what I have to work with.

Regards,
Mark

Just wanted to update my training and performance.

I’m still just running 2 400’s 2x per week with plenty of rest in between runs. It’s not helping with the fat loss yet. Some may think that I’m being a pussy but even just the 2 400’s (all out) per session is BRUTAL on me (maybe because I’m overkill in the gym hitting legs 3x per week).

I have improved in the 2 weeks of running, I started at 64 seconds and am down to 60! So far 1 second per session. I could be better but my calves are fucked and I have shin splints. I deffinitly see low to mid 50’s by summer. I’m getting excited about the improvement in times and I’m almost shifting my goals from fat loss to improved times.

I think that once I get to 55 seconds I’ll either progress my routine further, or I’ll (leaning towards) start running shorter distances to work on speed work. Then when I get some speed back I can test the waters and see if I can get back to my personal bests. I sure would like to weigh 180 when I’m out on the track, yet when I’m in the weight room, I think my 200lbs isn’t enough. It’s all a trade off, I just want the best of all worlds like everyone else.

Thanks for the info so far on this thread guys.

P.S. I’m really proud of myself for sticking with the track work. It’s tough when you’re out of shape, not to mention how intimidating 400 meters is.

Feanor~

You sound like you know what you can do with her, but are fighting the stigma. I think one of the best things you could do is to tape a soccer match and have her watch the people, not the ball. It is a series of fartleks, windsprints, intervals, whatever.

In HS, the cooper test is still very common, but frankly is only a benefit to your niece since she is a distance person… but has very little to do with soccer or the preparation necessary. I love playing against “distance” types. As a former mid 10s 100m guy, there is really no need for s step-over, scissor, or anything against 95% of soccer players, just push the ball past them and go… have no ability to keep up. Yet, they are all fast kids… “for soccer players”. I hate that last part.

This is where the USSF and I differ in our thinking. It has been communicated that speed training should be done with ball at feet. I will tell Carl Lewis he was selling himself short by merely sprinting.

The issue comes to true speed vs. skill speed. Skill speed is necessary for 5% of the game (2-4 minutes on the ball per player), while true speed accounts for everything else: runs, showing for the ball, defense (imagine caring about the ability to play defense), etc.

So while the USsoccer site has video right now of the women’s national team doing speed training sessions without the ball, there has somehow been a miscommunication downward that all speed training must be done with the ball…hmmm.

The entire game is short bursts of speed, and yet I cannot name a single club in the state of Florida that can say they have the fastest athlete in the county…all sports… sad really.

But, that is why I have turned to training soccer players almost exclusively. To bring up the sport I love so dearly. Train for pure speed AND skill speed. The pure speed will potentiate your speed with the ball.

I will give you a common session I do with our group training sessions:

Dynamic Warm-UP (I use 12 different)

Footwork Progression (Ladder, Dots, Hex, etc.)

Lather Stage (Tag competition, etc.)

So now the athletes are fully warm.

Linear or Lateral Speed Drills (including the use of contrast bands depending on appropriateness).

Breakaway Competitions to cement movement patterns.

Progressive Reactive and Specific Strength Training (Plyos, sleds, vests, etc.)

General Strength / Core

Cool-Down

There you have it. During the pre-season and when requested we also do energy system work to get the kids fit. This generally isn’t hard though, because I handle 12-16 kids at a time, and always keep the drill moving along, and the work rest ratio at 3:1 max… with the tag games, and break-away belt games, the kids are always working hard. Plus, my dynamic Warm-Up take some time to get accomodated to…

Anyway, hope this helps.

J

Kir Dog+

Great job. You should be proud. The 400m is an evil race indeed. Lactic Acid buildup is nasty.

Push to add another.

J

[quote]Jumanji wrote:
Push to add another.

J[/quote]

I’ll see what I can do. If my calves allow me to I will.

I need to get spikes! I’ll do that this weekend so by Monday I’m ready to roll!

Kir~

Another idea is to find a park where they play soccer…normally have fields lined up rpogressively… run on the grass once in a while…much easier on PF region…

With my track athletes we do all of our tempo work on the grass.

J

[quote]Jumanji wrote:
Kir~

Another idea is to find a park where they play soccer…normally have fields lined up rpogressively… run on the grass once in a while…much easier on PF region…

With my track athletes we do all of our tempo work on the grass.

J[/quote]

Should I run on the grass in cleats or crosstrainer type shoes? It can be a little rainy this time of year in New England. Even under dry conditions, should I use cleats?

Thanks J!

[quote]Kir Dog wrote:
Just wanted to update my training and performance.

I’m still just running 2 400’s 2x per week with plenty of rest in between runs. It’s not helping with the fat loss yet. Some may think that I’m being a pussy but even just the 2 400’s (all out) per session is BRUTAL on me (maybe because I’m overkill in the gym hitting legs 3x per week).

I have improved in the 2 weeks of running, I started at 64 seconds and am down to 60! So far 1 second per session. I could be better but my calves are fucked and I have shin splints. I deffinitly see low to mid 50’s by summer. I’m getting excited about the improvement in times and I’m almost shifting my goals from fat loss to improved times.

I think that once I get to 55 seconds I’ll either progress my routine further, or I’ll (leaning towards) start running shorter distances to work on speed work. Then when I get some speed back I can test the waters and see if I can get back to my personal bests. I sure would like to weigh 180 when I’m out on the track, yet when I’m in the weight room, I think my 200lbs isn’t enough. It’s all a trade off, I just want the best of all worlds like everyone else.

Thanks for the info so far on this thread guys.

P.S. I’m really proud of myself for sticking with the track work. It’s tough when you’re out of shape, not to mention how intimidating 400 meters is.[/quote]

2 things- doing speed work for 400m by running 400m will work for a while, but you’re going to run into a wall eventually and have to use shorter distances.

Second, if you’re looking for fat loss, I’d have slower, lower intensity, higher volume workout sometine in the week. Something similar to Running man, or 200 run/200 walk in/outs. Improve your vo2/conditioning and work towards fat loss, while leaving the speed only workout in your program.

I’m in the same boat your are, I started at 64 a couple weeks ago and hit 61 this week.

For shin splints, try doing some stuff on grass take the stress off your feet. Is the track your using rubber?

[quote]Jumanji wrote:
With my track athletes we do all of our tempo work on the grass.
J[/quote]

Barefoot or with shoes?

[quote]ExNole wrote:
Kir Dog wrote:
Just wanted to update my training and performance.

I’m still just running 2 400’s 2x per week with plenty of rest in between runs. It’s not helping with the fat loss yet. Some may think that I’m being a pussy but even just the 2 400’s (all out) per session is BRUTAL on me (maybe because I’m overkill in the gym hitting legs 3x per week).

I have improved in the 2 weeks of running, I started at 64 seconds and am down to 60! So far 1 second per session. I could be better but my calves are fucked and I have shin splints. I deffinitly see low to mid 50’s by summer. I’m getting excited about the improvement in times and I’m almost shifting my goals from fat loss to improved times.

I think that once I get to 55 seconds I’ll either progress my routine further, or I’ll (leaning towards) start running shorter distances to work on speed work. Then when I get some speed back I can test the waters and see if I can get back to my personal bests. I sure would like to weigh 180 when I’m out on the track, yet when I’m in the weight room, I think my 200lbs isn’t enough. It’s all a trade off, I just want the best of all worlds like everyone else.

Thanks for the info so far on this thread guys.

P.S. I’m really proud of myself for sticking with the track work. It’s tough when you’re out of shape, not to mention how intimidating 400 meters is.

2 things- doing speed work for 400m by running 400m will work for a while, but you’re going to run into a wall eventually and have to use shorter distances.

Second, if you’re looking for fat loss, I’d have slower, lower intensity, higher volume workout sometine in the week. Something similar to Running man, or 200 run/200 walk in/outs. Improve your vo2/conditioning and work towards fat loss, while leaving the speed only workout in your program.

I’m in the same boat your are, I started at 64 a couple weeks ago and hit 61 this week.

For shin splints, try doing some stuff on grass take the stress off your feet. Is the track your using rubber?[/quote]

ExNole,
Thanks for the info.

Rubber track, Yes.

What is your workout like?
What are your goals?

[quote]Kir Dog wrote:
ExNole wrote:
Kir Dog wrote:
Just wanted to update my training and performance.

I’m still just running 2 400’s 2x per week with plenty of rest in between runs. It’s not helping with the fat loss yet. Some may think that I’m being a pussy but even just the 2 400’s (all out) per session is BRUTAL on me (maybe because I’m overkill in the gym hitting legs 3x per week).

I have improved in the 2 weeks of running, I started at 64 seconds and am down to 60! So far 1 second per session. I could be better but my calves are fucked and I have shin splints. I deffinitly see low to mid 50’s by summer. I’m getting excited about the improvement in times and I’m almost shifting my goals from fat loss to improved times.

I think that once I get to 55 seconds I’ll either progress my routine further, or I’ll (leaning towards) start running shorter distances to work on speed work. Then when I get some speed back I can test the waters and see if I can get back to my personal bests. I sure would like to weigh 180 when I’m out on the track, yet when I’m in the weight room, I think my 200lbs isn’t enough. It’s all a trade off, I just want the best of all worlds like everyone else.

Thanks for the info so far on this thread guys.

P.S. I’m really proud of myself for sticking with the track work. It’s tough when you’re out of shape, not to mention how intimidating 400 meters is.

2 things- doing speed work for 400m by running 400m will work for a while, but you’re going to run into a wall eventually and have to use shorter distances.

Second, if you’re looking for fat loss, I’d have slower, lower intensity, higher volume workout sometine in the week. Something similar to Running man, or 200 run/200 walk in/outs. Improve your vo2/conditioning and work towards fat loss, while leaving the speed only workout in your program.

I’m in the same boat your are, I started at 64 a couple weeks ago and hit 61 this week.

For shin splints, try doing some stuff on grass take the stress off your feet. Is the track your using rubber?

ExNole,
Thanks for the info.

Rubber track, Yes.

What is your workout like?
What are your goals?[/quote]

For my first workout I’ve been doing either 400’s or 200’s with a 200m walk/jog for rest. The pace is controlled, it slips near the end, but something like 75’s. Its not true speedwork, but if you’re not really in race shape it helps, also helps with being able to handle the harder workouts.

The second workout, for now is, 400 sprint, 5min, 300, 5min, 200 5min, 100. Once I really start getting in shape I’ll change this up, probably stay 300 and under for most everything.

My immediate goal is just to be get mid 50’s. I’d love to run a 49 one day but thats a long long term goal.

I have been incorporting some 400 meter runs in my workouts and they have been amazing! I call these workouts - Strength endurance workouts.They are sort of based on the Crossfit workout of the days. The only problem is I don’t actually know how far 400 meter is from my gym so I run a 1/2 block and back. The most noticable crossfit workout is called the Helen. 3 rounds of 21 kettlebell swings, 15 pullups and a 400 meter run for time.

Last week I made up my own workout sort based on Dan John’s workout. Here it is : deadlift 10 reps and bench press 10 reps. I was aiming for 10 sets, but I lost count around the 6 or 7 set. Very brutal. I love this kind of workouts - elite athlete conditioning training. Would love to hear from you all about other types of these workouts