40 Yard Dash Times

I liked that breakdown of the Carl Lewis Ben Johnson race. In regards to fastest 40 time, Charlie Francis said he has clocked Ben at 3.9 at practice before, and I’ve had a coach that could go 4.1(football,track,bobsled guy). Most sprinters can do probably around the 4.0-4.2 range depending on their speed but for elite sprinters your definately going to be in that range.

Speed does matter in scouting however. I had a friend that I had to MAKE him practice catching the ball so he wouldn’t suck next season. He turned out to be pretty decent, but the main thing is he ran a 4.2 or a 4.3 I think it was 4.2 and Notre Dame wanted to see him, ofcourse after the first game they probably didn’t care but if you drop some hot times you do get noticed. Overall if I was a scout I’d pick a player over someone that looked like they were fast, because when the 4th quarter comes that 4.2 is probably going to be around a 5.0.

[quote]thefuture wrote:
Just wanted to start a forum where athlets could post and discuss their 40 yard dash times. And also discuss on how to improve their 40 time. I’m a hs football player and i run about a 4:88 give or take depending on how i feel and would really like to improve my time any suggestions.[/quote]

In 11th grade, I was able to run a 4.68 at 5’9", 190 lbs. Too bad I’m too small to play college ball. Bleh.

[quote]ZEB wrote:
My son is just 12 years old and ran a 5.3 40yd. dash.

I was impressed, but know little about how other 12 year olds rank.

Is 5.3 good, average or below average for a 12 year old kid?

(He can also nail 24 consecutive dead hang chins ;)[/quote]

5.3 for a 12 year old is flying. I ran a 5.1 at 13 years old and I was the fastest kid in school. I suspect i prolly ran a 5.2 at 12. I jumped to a 4.9 at 14 and a 4.68 by senior year (17 years old)

On the 40 yds. If you think of it in
terms of “phases” it might be easier
to break down and analyze it.

Also the 40 yds will be from 18-25 or so
strides for most people.

Form does affect speed because you will never run as fast as you can if you can’t transfer power correctly for your body type.

I saw the 88 Oly with Ben and Carl. Ben smoked everyone out of blocks and Bens first 20 or so M it was amazing. You had to see it to believe it.

Also Flo Jo running the 10.37 100M was truly amazing, left and pulled away from everyone else like they where HS atheletes.

Also the Michael Johson 19.3x 200M. NOW THAT SHOULDNT HAPPEN. He was decisively ahead thru the curve and appeared to never ever slow down - down the straight. The other runners where not even in the picture.

Zeb son is blazing…

I hit my Pr of 4.42 with doing the dynamic stretching and warmup Zeb helped me with like 5 months ago.

Zeb was very helpful.

Thanks Zeb,

-Get Lifted

I’m 15 and a sophmore about to play my first year of football. I’m 5’9, 180, and ran a 5.0 in the 40.
I’ll most likely play line, which is fine with me, on the JV team, we dont have any guys much bigger than me. It’s a small team.
On the line, doesn’t quickness matter more than speed? Steve Courson, former guard for the Steelers in the 70’s, was 6’1, 295, and ran a 4.6. If you’re pretty fast in the 40 but have bad footwork and quickness, you won’t be much of a lineman.

I will state it again…the 40 is not an end all to be all. There are too many people who think that the 40 doesnt matter at all. IT SUCKS BUT REALITY IS THE NUMBERS CAN MAKE OR BREAK YOU. It blatantly sucks to know that if you run a great time, you can earn a scholarship. And for any of you out there who say that doesnt happen, you are f.o.s. AGAIN!!! Get real.

I would take a kid who works his ass off and runs a 4.8…and runs the 4.8 everywhere he goes. BUT i am not a scout or a football coach. It is not up to me. So all those, who think they are like Ernie McCracken, “above the law,” shut the f-up. The 40 is a standard that coaches and scouts look at. Nobody is going to change that anytime soon.

The 3-Cone and Pro-agility are better tests for football players, but who the heck runs straight lines and figure 8’s. The best test is how someone plays…but until Combines, workouts, and camps are cut-off, times will ALWAYS spark interest.

Understand before critiquing,
SP

ps…train smart and train right

In high school I ran in the upper 4.4’s and lower 4.5’s for my 40 dash times. In track I ran a 10.6 in the 100m (not hand timed). My slow spot was out of the gates, so I became much faster as I got older and stronger. My best 40yd dash time was a 4.33 hand timed and 4.36 with the electronic doohicky. I was 24 when I hit my fastest times and weighed in at 188-192 pounds with a 525 pound below parallel squat and a 335 clean. I tore my hamstring pretty severely a few months after I started hitting those times and was never able to recover my speed or my verticle jump (it was 39").

Regards,

Sensless

Just ran a 4.65 yesterday. Personal best. I havent been doing anything different, but I think the past years weight loss (about 40lbs) and some T-Nation supplementation may have helped, LOL.

[quote]Velvet Revolver wrote:
ZEB wrote:
My son is just 12 years old and ran a 5.3 40yd. dash.

I was impressed, but know little about how other 12 year olds rank.

Is 5.3 good, average or below average for a 12 year old kid?

(He can also nail 24 consecutive dead hang chins :wink:

5.3 for a 12 year old is flying. I ran a 5.1 at 13 years old and I was the fastest kid in school. I suspect i prolly ran a 5.2 at 12. I jumped to a 4.9 at 14 and a 4.68 by senior year (17 years old)
[/quote]

Wow…you can fly!

Do you have any training suggestions for my son?

[quote]ZEB wrote:
Velvet Revolver wrote:
ZEB wrote:
My son is just 12 years old and ran a 5.3 40yd. dash.

I was impressed, but know little about how other 12 year olds rank.

Is 5.3 good, average or below average for a 12 year old kid?

(He can also nail 24 consecutive dead hang chins :wink:

5.3 for a 12 year old is flying. I ran a 5.1 at 13 years old and I was the fastest kid in school. I suspect i prolly ran a 5.2 at 12. I jumped to a 4.9 at 14 and a 4.68 by senior year (17 years old)

Wow…you can fly!

Do you have any training suggestions for my son?

[/quote]

Sprints sprints sprints. If you wanna get faster in the 40, run the 40. Aside from that, plymometrics and deadlifts will put some zip in your wheels. I feel that the deadlift is superior to squats when it comes to building speed because it helps with upperbody, specifically the lower back, which in turn in gonna help build a stronger upper body, which will translate to faster times.

Upper body strength is often overlooked when it comes to sprinting, but it is VERY vital. Especially coming out of the gate from the stance. I can’t think of a better weightlifting movement than the deadlift to help with the initial burst froma crouched position. I would imagine Marice Green could probably deadlift like an animal, I would LOVE to see his numbers.

Oh, and get that diet in order. nothing strict, just make sure he gets his protein/fat in and avoids the school lunch crap. And he can prolly start protein powders and ZMA when he gets to Highschool.

[quote]sinnaman18 wrote:
hoosierdaddy wrote:
speed wrote:
hazarddude334 wrote:
4.15 is the fastest in the nfl that ever happened and he wasnt much of a player.

and i think a lot of people are lieing about how fast they run 4.6 in high school and still not in 10th grade yeah ok if your doing that then your probally one of the best athelets in your state and a future friggin star.

most full back run a 4.8 to a 4.9 in the nfl
i run a 5.0 im a fullback and i dont ever train for the 40 yard dash hardly applies to football its about stop and go speed of the ball speed and thats were my skill is
at least there is two times that are correct that are up here lol

Very accurate post. Been around combines for the last few years now and you rarely see the legitimate low 40’s like people talk about so casually on the internet. On the internet everybody benches 350 and runs a 4.4. In real life, legit timed, it’s not like that. Ask Hoosierdaddy on this site, he plays college football too and has been around this stuff and knows his shit…

This is so true. I can’t even count how many websites I’ve been to where I’ve told people that I ran ONLY a 4.67 as a wide receiver, only to hear about a 1000 highschool sophmores tell me they run legit sub 4.5s and that I was too slow to play reciever. I had to work thru all of highschool to get my 40 to where it is, so thanks alot guys (rolls eyes).

Like FB, I too have trained elite athletes and been around them, and I’ve only seen a handfull of legit sub 4.4 boys. If an athelte over the internet were to tell me he benched 350 i’d be alot more likely to beleive him then if he told me he ran 4.5.

And Speed, thank you for the kind words.

Since you are talking about a HS Sophomore and i posted my 40 time at 4.69 i think it is safe to assume you are talking about me? Well i’ll have you know that this is a real number to the extent of my knowledge. Our coach handtimes us yes, but he also adds on a number (i dont remember what exactly) to get a more accurate time that takes into account human error. I also have the 4th fastest time out of our WHOLE team of about 110 high school students. I have also been doing track alot longer than football.
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Ok. I’ve got a few steps to improve your mental 40.

  1. Unbunch your panties

  2. Re-read, I said websites (s) in the plural, I wasn’t referring to just T-Nation.

  3. I’m not going bullshit around subtley accuse you of lying. I have no problem calling out a grown man in the political forum, much less a high-school sophmore here, don’t give yourself that much credit.

  4. A 4.67, while blazing for a sophmore in high-school, is realistic. I’ve timed a few sophmores as, if not, faster. Sub 4.5, 30 of them being on the same website? Little Different story.

  5. If you did nothing wrong, then why be defensive if nobody accused you of anything?

Senior year in High school ran a 4.49, elec. timed. Weighing in a 185. Since, I was a tailback I focused on leg drive an power. To improve speed…squat, deadlift are great but even better are power cleans. which is needed for the explosiveness needed for a fast time.

You need to be at full speed in less than 10 yards…Good running backs are a full speed by the time the receive the hand off. So I would focus on cleans, box jumps, sprints pulling sled, squats, and I even used speed skating to help impove my time.

Good luck

4.58 5 years ago, before I started lifting for real. Haven’t run it since but It was probably a lot faster in 01-02 during my first and last season of college track. Since then I have pulled the hams a few times, doubt I am as fast.

Sorry, I meant 4.56, not that it makes a big difference.

[quote]hoosierdaddy wrote:
sinnaman18 wrote:
hoosierdaddy wrote:
speed wrote:
hazarddude334 wrote:
4.15 is the fastest in the nfl that ever happened and he wasnt much of a player.

and i think a lot of people are lieing about how fast they run 4.6 in high school and still not in 10th grade yeah ok if your doing that then your probally one of the best athelets in your state and a future friggin star.

most full back run a 4.8 to a 4.9 in the nfl
i run a 5.0 im a fullback and i dont ever train for the 40 yard dash hardly applies to football its about stop and go speed of the ball speed and thats were my skill is
at least there is two times that are correct that are up here lol

Very accurate post. Been around combines for the last few years now and you rarely see the legitimate low 40’s like people talk about so casually on the internet. On the internet everybody benches 350 and runs a 4.4. In real life, legit timed, it’s not like that. Ask Hoosierdaddy on this site, he plays college football too and has been around this stuff and knows his shit…

This is so true. I can’t even count how many websites I’ve been to where I’ve told people that I ran ONLY a 4.67 as a wide receiver, only to hear about a 1000 highschool sophmores tell me they run legit sub 4.5s and that I was too slow to play reciever. I had to work thru all of highschool to get my 40 to where it is, so thanks alot guys (rolls eyes).

Like FB, I too have trained elite athletes and been around them, and I’ve only seen a handfull of legit sub 4.4 boys. If an athelte over the internet were to tell me he benched 350 i’d be alot more likely to beleive him then if he told me he ran 4.5.

And Speed, thank you for the kind words.

Since you are talking about a HS Sophomore and i posted my 40 time at 4.69 i think it is safe to assume you are talking about me? Well i’ll have you know that this is a real number to the extent of my knowledge. Our coach handtimes us yes, but he also adds on a number (i dont remember what exactly) to get a more accurate time that takes into account human error. I also have the 4th fastest time out of our WHOLE team of about 110 high school students. I have also been doing track alot longer than football.

Ok. I’ve got a few steps to improve your mental 40.

  1. Unbunch your panties

  2. Re-read, I said websites (s) in the plural, I wasn’t referring to just T-Nation.

  3. I’m not going bullshit around subtley accuse you of lying. I have no problem calling out a grown man in the political forum, much less a high-school sophmore here, don’t give yourself that much credit.

  4. A 4.67, while blazing for a sophmore in high-school, is realistic. I’ve timed a few sophmores as, if not, faster. Sub 4.5, 30 of them being on the same website? Little Different story.

  5. If you did nothing wrong, then why be defensive if nobody accused you of anything?

[/quote]

“woosierdaddy”,

Yes i got a little defensive when you agree with someone accusing me (not directly, but keep reading) of posting fake numbers, and maybe i didnt read your exact words but the general idea was there. The fact is that my numbers are real (you can check my other posts on my lifts and see if they look so unrealistic), and i agree that 30 10th graders with sub 4.5 on the same website sounds ridiculous, however when the guy says “i think the 10th graders with the 4.6 40s are lying” right after i post my numbers, i am going to be inclined to be a little bit defensive.

Maybe “i will have you know” was the wrong way to phrase my post. Sorry, maybe i should have worded it a little more kindly for people like you.

You also have to take into consideration that if a 10th grader is a frequent reader of a website like T-Nation they are most likely not an average 10th grader. (Not saying reading T-Nation makes you an uber-athlete… but i think people would agree that we are a higher class on average).

[quote]sinnaman18 wrote:
hoosierdaddy wrote:
sinnaman18 wrote:
hoosierdaddy wrote:
speed wrote:
hazarddude334 wrote:
4.15 is the fastest in the nfl that ever happened and he wasnt much of a player.

and i think a lot of people are lieing about how fast they run 4.6 in high school and still not in 10th grade yeah ok if your doing that then your probally one of the best athelets in your state and a future friggin star.

most full back run a 4.8 to a 4.9 in the nfl
i run a 5.0 im a fullback and i dont ever train for the 40 yard dash hardly applies to football its about stop and go speed of the ball speed and thats were my skill is at least there is two times that are correct that are up here lol

Very accurate post. Been around combines for the last few years now and you rarely see the legitimate low 40’s like people talk about so casually on the internet. On the internet everybody benches 350 and runs a 4.4. In real life, legit timed, it’s not like that. Ask Hoosierdaddy on this site, he plays college football too and has been around this stuff and knows his shit…

This is so true. I can’t even count how many websites I’ve been to where I’ve told people that I ran ONLY a 4.67 as a wide receiver, only to hear about a 1000 highschool sophmores tell me they run legit sub 4.5s and that I was too slow to play reciever. I had to work thru all of highschool to get my 40 to where it is, so thanks alot guys (rolls eyes).

Like FB, I too have trained elite athletes and been around them, and I’ve only seen a handfull of legit sub 4.4 boys. If an athelte over the internet were to tell me he benched 350 i’d be alot more likely to beleive him then if he told me he ran 4.5.

And Speed, thank you for the kind words.

Since you are talking about a HS Sophomore and i posted my 40 time at 4.69 i think it is safe to assume you are talking about me? Well i’ll have you know that this is a real number to the extent of my knowledge. Our coach handtimes us yes, but he also adds on a number (i dont remember what exactly) to get a more accurate time that takes into account human error. I also have the 4th fastest time out of our WHOLE team of about 110 high school students. I have also been doing track alot longer than football.

Ok. I’ve got a few steps to improve your mental 40.

  1. Unbunch your panties

  2. Re-read, I said websites (s) in the plural, I wasn’t referring to just T-Nation.

  3. I’m not going bullshit around subtley accuse you of lying. I have no problem calling out a grown man in the political forum, much less a high-school sophmore here, don’t give yourself that much credit.

  4. A 4.67, while blazing for a sophmore in high-school, is realistic. I’ve timed a few sophmores as, if not, faster. Sub 4.5, 30 of them being on the same website? Little Different story.

  5. If you did nothing wrong, then why be defensive if nobody accused you of anything?

“woosierdaddy”,

Yes i got a little defensive when you agree with someone accusing me (not directly, but keep reading) of posting fake numbers, and maybe i didnt read your exact words but the general idea was there. The fact is that my numbers are real (you can check my other posts on my lifts and see if they look so unrealistic), and i agree that 30 10th graders with sub 4.5 on the same website sounds ridiculous, however when the guy says “i think the 10th graders with the 4.6 40s are lying” right after i post my numbers, i am going to be inclined to be a little bit defensive.

Maybe “i will have you know” was the wrong way to phrase my post. Sorry, maybe i should have worded it a little more kindly for people like you.

You also have to take into consideration that if a 10th grader is a frequent reader of a website like T-Nation they are most likely not an average 10th grader. (Not saying reading T-Nation makes you an uber-athlete… but i think people would agree that we are a higher class on average).[/quote]

“sin-a-stix” (what? it’s the best I could come up with)

You need to relax. Hazarddude accused you of faking the numbers. Speed merely stated that he had an accurate post, not even agreeing with him mind you. I only responded to Speed’s post because there was a direct reference to me.

I couldn’t care less about your numbers being real or not. If you have a beef with Hazard take it up with him. But right now you just sound like a 16 year old punk trying to pick a fight with somebody.

I also couldn’t care less about how you word your posts either. If you respond to one of my posts, I’m going to respond back. It’s that simple. I don’t know what you were implying when you said “people like me”. It’s probably best that you don’t elaborate.

Look, I understand being in 10th grade and accomplishing some athletic feats that many adults haven’t even done yet, only to have them discredited due to your age and for no other reason. I’ve been there. Picking fights only makes things worse, just shutup and keep lifting and running, come back when you are a senior and make everybody feel like a complete asshole. It’s alot more rewarding. (i’m not implying leave the site or stop posting, merely keep on keeping on and make people who doubted you feel stupid.)

I’m trying to pass on wisdom without sounding like a parent. Take and use what you will. In the meantime, stop wasting your time trying to defened your stats online, it’s really pointless.

[quote]Velvet Revolver wrote:
ZEB wrote:
Velvet Revolver wrote:
ZEB wrote:
My son is just 12 years old and ran a 5.3 40yd. dash.

I was impressed, but know little about how other 12 year olds rank.

Is 5.3 good, average or below average for a 12 year old kid?

(He can also nail 24 consecutive dead hang chins :wink:

5.3 for a 12 year old is flying. I ran a 5.1 at 13 years old and I was the fastest kid in school. I suspect i prolly ran a 5.2 at 12. I jumped to a 4.9 at 14 and a 4.68 by senior year (17 years old)

Wow…you can fly!

Do you have any training suggestions for my son?

Sprints sprints sprints. If you wanna get faster in the 40, run the 40. Aside from that, plymometrics and deadlifts will put some zip in your wheels. I feel that the deadlift is superior to squats when it comes to building speed because it helps with upperbody, specifically the lower back, which in turn in gonna help build a stronger upper body, which will translate to faster times.

Upper body strength is often overlooked when it comes to sprinting, but it is VERY vital. Especially coming out of the gate from the stance. I can’t think of a better weightlifting movement than the deadlift to help with the initial burst froma crouched position. I would imagine Marice Green could probably deadlift like an animal, I would LOVE to see his numbers.

Oh, and get that diet in order. nothing strict, just make sure he gets his protein/fat in and avoids the school lunch crap. And he can prolly start protein powders and ZMA when he gets to Highschool.
[/quote]

Just wanted to re-iterate RV’s emphasis on the upperbody strength. It has been estimated by various sprinting experts and coaches that the arm drive of a sprinter makes up for 1/5th to 1/3 of the total power output for the body during a sprint. That’s alot of you think about it.

i was always a slow offensive lineman who just knew how to play the game, this offseason iu lost 30 pounds and dropped .5 seconds on my 40, i went from 290 to 260 and from a 5.6 to a 5.1 and all i did was loose weight and spritn training

I can’t add much to this, but Johnson’s best time was clocked at 4.4 electronic. (Read this off of the CF’s Forum)