people that do not know the difference call kipping pullups cheating pullups. they are not cheating pullups at all. just a different exercise than dead hand pullups. both are great ways to train.
[quote]spk wrote:
people that do not know the difference call kipping pullups cheating pullups. they are not cheating pullups at all. just a different exercise than dead hand pullups. both are great ways to train.[/quote]
If you are referring to me, I called them cheap, not cheating and that was only in the context of the thread. I was in fact chastising the people of the thread a little for essentially saying the big K was doing them wrong.
And most people I see doing body swing/kicking pull ups don’t know the difference and are actually just cheating at normal pull ups.
[quote]Fezz wrote:
Hey guys,
So there’s a competition where I train and it’s who can do 40 pullups in the shortest amount of time. You can use any combination of sets & reps, as long as it’s 40 overhand pullups, chin over bar at top, arms near lockout at bottom. No kipping.
What i’d like to hear from you guys is your thoughts on the most efficient reps/recovery to get it done in about 90 seconds, and what training methods would help me with this?
I’ve never done weighted pullups but was going to try doing 4 sets of 10 on that with 1 minute rest between each, then shorten the recovery each time. As for real attempts I tried 5 x 8 with 15-20 secs rest and after 4 sets I ended up doing 3,3,1,1 (finished in 129 secs). I think something like 4 sets of 10 with 15 seconds rest is do-able. It’s a video upload comp. and it’ll run through October.
You’re welcome to try it and post a time here too, be nice to see what can be achieved.[/quote]
Try handclap pull-ups. I love those. If you are just starting, all to need to do is pull up hard enough to get your hands off the bar, put keep them in position. As you get better you can go for the handclap.
Ladders are good if you aren’t a nutcase (see below). So do descending sets starting with 10, then work down 10 - 9 - 8 - … - 1. That gives you 55 reps for training. Get good at that with a timed pause between each (learning to manage fatigue, so don’t take off a couple of minutes, but actually use a clock to make sure you hop back in there). For the challenge, do 10 - 9 - 8 - 7 - 6 with 5 - 10 seconds between each one to get your 40.
If you are dying (= plateau and just can’t seem to do more reps), slow negatives are the thing to do to up faltering endurance. So once you hit your max, climb up to the top of the rep any which way and just slow your descent.
Also if you are a nutcase like me. try pullup tabatas. Go for 20 sec. on + 10 sec. off = 1 set. Do 8 sets (takes 4 minutes). That will send your endurance through the roof. If you want to see how you are progressing, just monitor the number of reps in the last set. I normally have numbers like 15 for the first set and drop to about 7 or 8 for the last, so that is pushing 90 - 100 per set of tabatas. You’ll totally rock and yes do try them with a weight vest on (far better and more taxing than with plates attached to your middle). You really ought to compliment it with a set of pushup tabatas too, but that’s just me… If all that is too intense, you could be a total sissy and do a tabata where you do one pullup set, next set pushup, then alternate, giving you 4 sets of each. Great way to get a really quick workout.
Hope that helps.
– jj
doubleduce. no, not speaking about anyone. its funny how this test went from deadhangs to slightly kipping to almost whetever.
i love doing pullups and know its impossible to have a timmed test on dead hang pullups… i do 90% dead hang pullups. a few, a bit of body english. i dont have the proper bar to do kipping pullups like i use to have, or would love to still have…
[quote]spk wrote:
i just did 40 in 1:26 your way. [/quote]
What sets/reps did you do?
And as we’re sprinters we aren’t familiar with the technical differences between kipping/deadhang etc. but the inconsistencies in my explanation come from me wanting to have more restrictions that lead to better form than this ‘anything goes’, which is the official competition stance.
Oh and a vid of the 1:26 would be appreciated.
[quote]jj-dude wrote:
Ladders are good if you aren’t a nutcase (see below). So do descending sets starting with 10, then work down 10 - 9 - 8 - … - 1. That gives you 55 reps for training. Get good at that with a timed pause between each (learning to manage fatigue, so don’t take off a couple of minutes, but actually use a clock to make sure you hop back in there). For the challenge, do 10 - 9 - 8 - 7 - 6 with 5 - 10 seconds between each one to get your 40.
– jj[/quote]
That sounds good as the ‘fatiguing while reps reduce’ is the kind of thing I need to train, cheers.
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
It’s funny because he’s an example of what not to do in this thread, but konstantin has by far the biggest strongest back posted so far and I find him doing 55 cheap pull ups at a BW of about 300 pounds far more impressive than anything else posted.
Kinda makes me want to train like he does rather than do the challenge.[/quote]
Yeh but someone with 25 years of training and 122kg BW will probably have more impressive upper body strength than track athletes doing a friendly competition for shits and giggles 
[quote]Fezz wrote:
[quote]DoubleDuce wrote:
It’s funny because he’s an example of what not to do in this thread, but konstantin has by far the biggest strongest back posted so far and I find him doing 55 cheap pull ups at a BW of about 300 pounds far more impressive than anything else posted.
Kinda makes me want to train like he does rather than do the challenge.[/quote]
Yeh but someone with 25 years of training and 122kg BW will probably have more impressive upper body strength than track athletes doing a friendly competition for shits and giggles :p[/quote]
I know. I didn’t mean for my comment to be too serious. Just noting the irony of Konstantine doing back training “wrong”.
Honestly man, the pull-ups done by Harry Aikines were the ugliest ones posted. Those were horrible.
[quote]WhiteFlash wrote:
Honestly man, the pull-ups done by Harry Aikines were the ugliest ones posted. Those were horrible.[/quote]
those looked like the pull ups of someone who has never done pull ups before
^^^Haha. The guy’s jacked, and I’m sure quite strong but those were awful.
If you’re really worried about kipping, it helps if you can find a bar high enough off the ground where you can fully extend your legs. If I’m using a bar where I have to keep my knees drawn up, then I always feel like I’m using a slight kip, but being able to do a pull up straight-legged negates kipping “accidentally.”
Ha, i’m glad someone agrees. Harry’s done a 190kg front squat so his strength is up there, I think he was rushing and technique went out the window.
Discin, the last lot I did was with a mat under the bar so that at full stretch I could just about touch it. This was so I could be sure i’m getting full RoM in the arms but I suppose it can reduce kipping too.
high frequency training? There was just an article about it. Seems just about perfect for getting real efficient at the movement.
1:54, need more arm extension.
I had my attempt video’d but the battery ran out almost immediately.
I think my head clears the bar too much and that’s a bit of wasted energy. This was the first video i’ve seen from directly behind so I am aware my arms need more extension.
This was 10,9,8,6,4,2,2, haven’t done them in over a week and I was lagging at the end.
2:23 with more extension. It doesn’t look that locked out since the camera is on the ground but it’s around 2-3 inches lower than my last attempt.
Didn’t feel at all good today but happy to get one fully recorded, instead of pre-determined reps I went until slight fatigue for the first sets. Ended up doing 15, 8, 5, 4, 3, 3, 2.
fezz
go all the way down. why are you going a bit over 1/2 the way down? fully extended at the bottom… whats so hard about doing dead hangs the acccurate way? from the starting point, hang there till your body is still. then go all the way up till chin is over the bar, then ALL THE WAY DOWN TO FULLY EXTENDED… deadhang.
[quote]spk wrote:
fezz
go all the way down. why are you going a bit over 1/2 the way down? fully extended at the bottom… whats so hard about doing dead hangs the acccurate way? from the starting point, hang there till your body is still. then go all the way up till chin is over the bar, then ALL THE WAY DOWN TO FULLY EXTENDED… deadhang. [/quote]
the competition isn’t fully extended, it just has to be almost there.
I went lower than last time but nobody was around to tell me how close to lockout I was, so I had to do it all then watch the video. I will go slightly lower next time but if the guy running the comp lets me have that then there’s no point going further than that and taking longer. It’s also slightly deceptive from the camera angle.
New guy at the top of the leaderboard got 1:02, will edit this with a link to the video if I can find it.
lol, i like that.
in my defence i’d just done 8 x 200m with 2 mins rest.
They weren’t very smooth because I was trying to touch the red thing below me every rep and that messed up any rhythm, i will try again on Wednesday.