Bill Roberts classifies the Class II’s as D-bol, A-drol, 4-AD, nor-4-AD.
My question is, since synergistic effects occur when combining a class I with a class II, why wouldn’t 4-AD combined with a class I injectionable be moderately effective?
Now, I presume D-bol and A-bol are incredibly more potent than 4-AD, but for those of us concerned with liver issues, would this 4-AD with Class I be an option if we want light to modest gains?
Finally, I know certainly over-the-counter prohormones contain 4-AD, but is it available in any other concentrated form? I just don’t see it written or discussed much.
Lot’s of people have stacked 4-AD with injectables. Actually, a lot of people have made 4-AD Cypionate into an injectable and have stacked it with injectable 1-test or tren. People usually do quite well with this stack.
yes it can be done. i did 4ad and tren and made some nice gains in two weeks. however, i would never use pro hormones in a steroid cycle again. if you can get the real more potent stuff, why are you gonna mess around with pro-hormones. also, you might want to look into mag-10, the I and II concept was used in formulating the stuff.
Great info…now, on the 4-AD cypionate. I know there is PLENTY of info on the web on how to convert Finaplex tablets into tenbolone. Would you reckon there is such info on converting 4-AD (powder?) into an injectionable cypionate? Or is it a sterile lab/indepth chemistry-kind of conversion?
I’m thinking that people are making stuff injectable even when the delivery systems have gotten very effective in oral form to add to that “roid mystique”.
Okay, this whole 4-AD thing has opened up a can of worms here. I have been researching this on the web, and based on what I have found I have the following questions:
Since 4-AD is a precursor, meaning your body must convert it to test, there is no reason to take it when combining it with something else that is suppressive, correct? In other words, 4-AD won’t convert to test in this case because the other suppressive steroid prevents that. Your body just won’t manufactor test from 4-AD because the other roids are suppressing any tendency to naturally produce.
Conversely, one could combine a non-suppressive steroid with 4-AD and have a modest stack?
Finally, why wouldn’t 4-AD be useful post-cycle to elevate natural test production back to normal levels?
I mean, there must be SOME reason people use injectionable 4-AD, I just can’t quite figure out why…
First of all, 4-AD is a steroid hormone. The only reason it is legal is because of a legal loophole, not because it is somehow less effective. A “pro-hormone” is not a standard chemical term. It is used by supplement companies to make people believe it is somehow “less than a hormone”, because writing “Steroid Hormone” on a supplement would land them in jail. Don’t fall into the trap of illigal = ineffective, it’s BS.
4-AD is 95% as potent as testosterone, so D-bol is not “incredibly more potent” and why should it be - just look at the formula? In fact, I’d wager US$10,000 that MAG-10 is a lot more effective than methyltestosterone on a milligram-per-milligram basis and only relatively less effective than D-bol (say, somewhere around 20-30% at most).
On to your questions:
4-AD is a potent anabolic compound. Although some of it is converted, it does not need to be converted to testosterone to be effective. If steroids were only effective because they converted to testosterone and only when your natural T is not suppressed, they wouldn’t be effective at all, because suppression occurs rather quickly.
There’s no such thing as “non-suppressive” steroids. All steroids are suppressive if you take them on a regular basis. Some more so than the others, but even Primo Andriol will suppress your natural T-production eventually.
4-AD is not a good choice post-cycle (see point 1). It also has a relatively long half-life for an oral. It is still a steroid and it is still suppressive, although not nearly as much as nor-4-AD, for example. A much better choice is Clomid or at least Nolvadex (although the latter is not as good post-cycle). If you insist on taking it post-sycle, take 1 dose at 6 or 7 am.
The reason people use injectable 4-AD is because they think it is more effective when taken that way. Which is true. Injection is still the best way to deliver a drug into your system. HOWEVER, it’s not that much more effective. An injectable usually has a longer half-life and that’s why you have to take an oral several times throughout the day (and why some people think that orals are less effective).
