I have about 8 grams of 4 ad powder sitting around and am just ending a 6 weeker of 1-3 drol +test week 3-6 dbol/ test/ tren. I was considering running a little taper off with 100 - 200 mgs. How long would be the longest I could run this for pct? If I’m taking it orally would 100-200 mgs be enough or do I need more.
Here’s what I’m thinking
week1-2 200mgs a week, with creatine, glutamine and femara
week 9-12 Carbolin-19, alone to see how week it works
Now I’m thinking the answer is NO, but I’m wondering would I consider this whole scheme outlined above as 12 weeks off or only 8 because I’m on the 4ad for 4 weeks.
Also how easy is it to make 4ad powder into an oral solution (pm me if you got an easy way for that or to make it an IM solution).
I wouldn’t use 4-AD in an oral solution, it has a very poor oral absorbtion. Unless it’s Biotest 4-AD-EC then that is different.
I would take the 8grams you have and put it in an transdermal solution. Then just apply 200-400mgED.
I also don’t think it would be a good idea to run it PCT. If your shut down then this might not help you recover. I’m not quite sure what the conversion rate of 4AD is to test. But, even if it’s a low dosage, it still might keep you shut down.
Always helpful Sancho. BTW, thanks for the SD link. I’m figuring it might not be a bad idea since it I used alot of Particularly supressive gear ie tren, drol.
I know once you’re suppressed your suppressed but after reading Cy’s never ending cycle article for the zillionth time it seem like it might not be a bad idea to try and hold on to some of my gains while my natural test returns (somewhat).
Then start my actual pct ie. nolva, Alpha Male ( I hate clomid so probably none but we’ll see). Yeah I’d still most likely be supressed but that would make it a 10 weeker which still isn’t too long (I’m sticking to shorter cycles from now on). Kinda like Katz dbol pct but with the better candite (According to Cy) 4ad.
I’m sorry JackedJack I read your first post to fast! So, breaking it down, you would do your AAS cycle 1-6, then weeks 7-11 4-AD, then the following weeks your actual PCT with Nolva, Alpha Male, etc. Right?
If this is what you meant it sounds much more interesting! If you do run this please let me know how it went, as one of my buddies actually talked about doing something very similiar.
What ester was the test that you were using?
This will determine how long you should/could run the 4AD for.
I have read Cy’s article on this many times as well but I agree with Sanchos first post. If you used a shorter acting test and it is already out or your system a week or so after your last inject, then any more adrogens introduced into your system will just help to keep you shut down.
However if you are using this to come off the cycle as an interesting bridge, I would say run it with the Nolva.
The good thing about it not being a strong androgen is that you could possibly use it in your PCT but, only if you are using a very agressive protical. I would say run it with above 40mg ed of Nolva and AlphaMale ed. Using the 4AD only in the morning at 200mg ed or less.
My jumbled thoughts.
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I used test prop/tren. That in mind why couldn’t I just wait 2 days after my last shot 100/75 and start the 4ad in the am. I don’t see how doing it that way would be any different then if I used a longer acting ester? I guess I’m missing something. Please explain.
I wanted to know the ester because if you are using this as part of your PCT then it should be started at the same time as your Nolva. So with test prop being the ester you used you should wait around 9 days after your last injection since it has a 4.5 day half life.