Mr. Zero, at least you have picked an apt screen name.
I love it when people quote someone else to prove their point rather than speak from experience. Polly want a cracker?
Look asshat, I have pulled 3X BW at 2 different weight classes (181 and 198) and among the myriad of people I have met, trained with, and helped accomplish this I have trained a 148# female who accomplished the same feat drug free so suck my balls and rim my sphincter you little waste of bandwidth fuckface.
Additionally, overall training maturity within a given movement has much more to do with reliance on assistance exercises than body type. You probably don’t get what I just said, but that’s OK.
Go away. You suck, you little habitrail owning felcher.
[quote]coffee wrote:
The first time that you ever do a deadlift and its not 2x bw or higher, you probably wont hit a 3x bw. This is just my opinion.[/quote]
That’s not true. It took me about a month to deadlift 315 which was about 1.5 times body weight. I trained with a guy that couldn’t deadlift 225 the first time and got 3x’s BW at 181 and 198.
It’s not so much a trick as it is injecting some common sense in your training. Utilize the exercises that will give YOU the most gains. Not all exercises work equally well for everybody. Here are some tips:
If you have long arms and long legs relative to your torso, your limbs will respond best to unilateral exercises.
If you have short legs, the squat and its variation is pretty much all you need for optimal leg growth.
If you have short arms you will need little, if any direct triceps work. Various presses and dips will do.
If you have short arms and a long torso, you will need a lot of assistance work to improve your deadlift.
If you have long arms, you will need more direct biceps and triceps work to make them grow.
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Not baggin’ on Thibs, but he ain’t the end of all things weightlifting. He’s a smart, big dude, but there are ALWAYS exceptions to rules, even those ones.
Secondly, 3x bw deadlift, while quite difficult, ain’t impossible, at least not for everyone. And I personally believe that with proper training/diet, the majority of people could achieve it. Me, I’m at 200 lbs right now, best deadlift to date is 515, should hit 525 soon. 600 ain’t CLOSE, but it’s in the forseeable future.
[quote]Wild_Iron_Gym wrote:
You just deadlift and keep getting better at it. I’ve done it at 220 and I’m close at 242. It’s honestly easier the lighter you are. There’s not to many 275 guys that can do it. Once you’re above 275 there’s not a single lifter that can do it.[/quote]
O RLY?
Konsti can afford to gain at least 18lb and still do it.[/quote]
Maybe. At a certain point gaining weight makes your deadlift decrease. The best deadlift by a 308 in the last year was Chuck Fought’s 900. There’s only a few that have done over 800. Compare that to how many 148-198 lifters can do it. It’s definitely much more difficult as you get heavier.
That’s good, see what do I know. Did this guy pull 2x bw with in a month of training though? It was probably pretty clear early on that this guy was very strong for his size.
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
Mr. Zero, at least you have picked an apt screen name.
I love it when people quote someone else to prove their point rather than speak from experience. Polly want a cracker?
Look asshat, I have pulled 3X BW at 2 different weight classes (181 and 198) and among the myriad of people I have met, trained with, and helped accomplish this I have trained a 148# female who accomplished the same feat drug free so suck my balls and rim my sphincter you little waste of bandwidth fuckface.
Additionally, overall training maturity within a given movement has much more to do with reliance on assistance exercises than body type. You probably don’t get what I just said, but that’s OK.
Go away. You suck, you little habitrail owning felcher.[/quote]
you are my god :o
You need to pull. Plain and simple. Quit looking for a magic formula. It doesn’t exist.
Cycle between sumos and conventionals. 3x8’s and 3x5’s. Utilize accesory work to increase your total work capacity. That’s what accesory work is all about. Improving work capacity which ultimately results in greater limit strength.
Don’t ever discount the effect of total training volume on limit strength. Just get after it.
I pulled a 3xbw DL within my first 2 years of lifting weights. It was 420@140.
There are no “requirements”. People are different. I happened to be good at the DL (my form probably wasn’t great either). But overall, for the best chance at 3xbw DL, keep lifting hard and smart.
[quote]apwsearch wrote:
Mr. Zero, at least you have picked an apt screen name.
I love it when people quote someone else to prove their point rather than speak from experience. Polly want a cracker?
Look asshat, I have pulled 3X BW at 2 different weight classes (181 and 198) and among the myriad of people I have met, trained with, and helped accomplish this I have trained a 148# female who accomplished the same feat drug free so suck my balls and rim my sphincter you little waste of bandwidth fuckface.
Additionally, overall training maturity within a given movement has much more to do with reliance on assistance exercises than body type. You probably don’t get what I just said, but that’s OK.
Go away. You suck, you little habitrail owning felcher.[/quote]
You sound really upset. Man, it’s only a forum.
The intention in quoting thibs was to support my argument. And I AM speaking from “experience.” I also pulled 3x bodyweight and train with people who have pulled 3x bodyweight. So what!?? Does that now make me an expert in the deadlift? Ofcourse not. I simply made some recommendations.
“Additionally, overall training maturity within a given movement has much more to do with reliance on assistance exercises than body type. You probably don’t get what I just said, but that’s OK.”
WTF? I don’t think YOU got what you just said. Body type plays a significant role whether you like it or not. It’s basic physics.
I didn’t read a lot of the posts but still feel that I may be able to add something here. I’ve pulled 530lbs in competition(unequipped) and weighed in at 163lbs giving me a 3.25x bw pull. Honestly I did nothing but rack pull to do this, rack pulls from just below knee and just above knee. I wasn’t really training the deadlift at the time, because I wasn’t really into powelifting and didn’t really know what I was doing. I’m not trying to “toot my horn” I just want to get the point accross that a 3x bodyweight pull isn’t godly and that it is very achievable. Granted your bodyweight does become a bigger factor the heavier you get. My advice is don’t put it on a pedestal and make sure you have a positive progression in what you do. I know that isn’t much advice but I think the best thing you can do is to never think that something is out of your reach and keep going for it. There are many ways to train, just pick the training you personally like to do and that keeps getting you stronger. It’ll come in time, just faster for some.
It’s not so much a trick as it is injecting some common sense in your training. Utilize the exercises that will give YOU the most gains. Not all exercises work equally well for everybody. Here are some tips:
If you have long arms and long legs relative to your torso, your limbs will respond best to unilateral exercises.
If you have short legs, the squat and its variation is pretty much all you need for optimal leg growth.
If you have short arms you will need little, if any direct triceps work. Various presses and dips will do.
If you have short arms and a long torso, you will need a lot of assistance work to improve your deadlift.
If you have long arms, you will need more direct biceps and triceps work to make them grow.
[/quote]
Not baggin’ on Thibs, but he ain’t the end of all things weightlifting. He’s a smart, big dude, but there are ALWAYS exceptions to rules, even those ones.
Secondly, 3x bw deadlift, while quite difficult, ain’t impossible, at least not for everyone. And I personally believe that with proper training/diet, the majority of people could achieve it. Me, I’m at 200 lbs right now, best deadlift to date is 515, should hit 525 soon. 600 ain’t CLOSE, but it’s in the forseeable future. [/quote]
I completely agree. Ofcourse there are always exceptions, but the ‘rules’ apply to the majority of lifters. “I personally believe that with proper training/diet, the majority of people could achieve it.” ← Exactly. For some it may take a longer time or may be more difficult to achieve.
[quote]coffee wrote:
That’s good, see what do I know. Did this guy pull 2x bw with in a month of training though? It was probably pretty clear early on that this guy was very strong for his size.
You also pull 3x bw wild iron?[/quote]
I did at 220. I’m 17 lbs away at 242, so next meet.
[quote]2-SCOOPS wrote:
I didn’t read a lot of the posts but still feel that I may be able to add something here. I’ve pulled 530lbs in competition(unequipped) and weighed in at 163lbs giving me a 3.25x bw pull. Honestly I did nothing but rack pull to do this, rack pulls from just below knee and just above knee. I wasn’t really training the deadlift at the time, because I wasn’t really into powelifting and didn’t really know what I was doing. I’m not trying to “toot my horn” I just want to get the point accross that a 3x bodyweight pull isn’t godly and that it is very achievable. Granted your bodyweight does become a bigger factor the heavier you get. My advice is don’t put it on a pedestal and make sure you have a positive progression in what you do. I know that isn’t much advice but I think the best thing you can do is to never think that something is out of your reach and keep going for it. There are many ways to train, just pick the training you personally like to do and that keeps getting you stronger. It’ll come in time, just faster for some.[/quote]
You need to pull. Plain and simple. Quit looking for a magic formula. It doesn’t exist.
Cycle between sumos and conventionals. 3x8’s and 3x5’s. Utilize accesory work to increase your total work capacity. That’s what accesory work is all about. Improving work capacity which ultimately results in greater limit strength.
Don’t ever discount the effect of total training volume on limit strength. Just get after it.[/quote]
Are you trying to say that everytime i deadlift increase intensity sets or reps ? cause i come up to a huge workload every training day it increases
Oh boy. Here come’s the poor me post. I ran my mouth and got called out on it and now the other guy is getting “upset.”
I don’t buy for a minute you have pulled 3X BW in a meet. Not for a second. You’re posts contradict your assertions. You are a liar.
If you want to prove me wrong, PM me off line and provide meet results and I will post that I was wrong.
Additonally, 3X BW pullers don’t just fall out of trees. I have been in this sport for more than 20 years so I can name quite a few but in a given year I encounter very few.
Don’t try to bullshit a bullshitter, son. You’ll lose everytime,
Like I said before, run along and stick to quoting things from the internet to people who will listen to you.
[quote]coffee wrote:
The first time that you ever do a deadlift and its not 2x bw or higher, you probably wont hit a 3x bw. This is just my opinion.[/quote]
Your opinion would be wrong.
continue to lose weight until you can deadlift 3X bw, or continue to increase your deadlift until you can do 3X bw. You may use a combination of the two if desired.
-you seem to want a guarenteed approach…closest I can get
real help…adjust your mindset, set long term goals, but put more focus on achieving short term goals as you work day in and out towards them