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wow thanks for the long reply, it was semi insightful and somewhat disrespectful at the same time.

comparing me to a “hawt abz” idiot or even a noob based solely on my time in sport is silly.
i challenge you to find someone that has been oly lifting for about 10.5 months with a 125/150 total. with that being said, ill add this… what i have done and will continue to do has brought me to this point, and will continue to push me further towards my goals.

do you really think you are “tearing me a new one?” please… what i do may not work for you, it may not work for anyone. but its worked for me. and ill add this… having a great strength base before starting olympic lifting is not a bad idea. if you would have started someone not as strong as me olympic lifting at the same time i did, who do you think would total higher.
and since in america we dont typically groom athletes with 100% immersion like other countries, this base could be beneficial.

in your personal case alexus, without trying to jab you to much, if you as a “noob” would continue to build a higher strength base along with your technique, i imagine you wouldnt be missing snatches at 35kg. but im not about attacking people or name calling. in closing, iam an olympic lifter, posting things ive done in my olmpic traiing, in an olympic lifting forum. im not forcing you to watch anything.

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[quote]blackbeardoly wrote:
Shankle push presses 130kg for 11 - YouTube.

Sorry for bringing this thread back up, but is this Donnie shankle doing a set of 11??? With the description of doing this to improve overhead strength. And am I also correct in assuming Donnie is stronger at oly lifting than everyone on here. So… Are higher rep sets really useless for Olympic lifting. I’m just sayin…[/quote]
I could be wrong, but from following Donny’s coach (Glenn Pendlay) and watching their live training sessions when streamed online, I seem to recall Coach Pendlay has Donny Shankle doing these while the rest of the team is squatting. I believe this is because Donny has/had a nagging hip injury and this was mainly an exercise to add volume in place of the squats.

While I am no where as strong as you are, I am in a similar situation in that I came to Olympic lifting about a year ago and have more strength than I can display in the classic lifts. For me, it required enough discipline to identify weaknesses and focus on those, rather than practice what I am already good at. For me, that has been lots of reps in the classic lifts and adding low volume, high intensity squats as often as I can each week.

Onward and upward…

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[quote]blackbeardoly wrote:
i challenge you to find someone that has been oly lifting for about 10.5 months with a 125/150 total. with that being said, ill add this… what i have done and will continue to do has brought me to this point, and will continue to push me further towards my goals. [/quote]

I hit a 125/160 in competition after 14 months of training. Is that close enough or are we gonna split hairs here? I’d like to see some vids of you hitting a 125 snatch and a 150 clean and jerk, actually. You seem quick to post vids of various strength feats but there’s not many of you actually doing the classic lifts, why don’t we get to see more of all that strength transferring over to the snatch and clean and jerk? (not trying to be a sarcastic douche with this statement, serious question, not sure how it’ll come across on teh interwebzzz)

[quote]blackbeardoly wrote:
do you really think you are “tearing me a new one?” please… what i do may not work for you, it may not work for anyone. but its worked for me. and ill add this… having a great strength base before starting olympic lifting is not a bad idea. if you would have started someone not as strong as me olympic lifting at the same time i did, who do you think would total higher.
and since in america we dont typically groom athletes with 100% immersion like other countries, this base could be beneficial. [/quote]

If what you’re doing is working for you, then fantastic, keep doing it. Seriously, get crazy strong and make us all look like idiots when you start totalling 300-350-400. But until that day comes, I think you and several members of this board might disagree on some of the principles of training for o-lifting. WHICH IS FINE.

And while I agree having a good strength base when you start training isn’t a bad thing, I would never recommend anyone put off starting to learn the lifts until they got “sufficiently strong.” Personal opinion, I think it’s easier for someone who has the flexibility, technique, and speed down to get stronger than it is to go the other way around.

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interesting. i love your condesending tone. its humorous. and i also enjoy how you call me out, yet get butthurt and step up to the defense of others when i call them out…
“c-not having pics/videos in his profile (if you don’t understand why someone might want to remain anonymous on a public forum, or might not feel the need to post pics/vids of their accomplishments, then there’s not much I can say to you on this one)”

by the way. where are your videos…i never recommended anyone putting off learning the lifts in lue of a strength base.

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[quote]blackbeardoly wrote:
interesting. i love your condesending tone. its humorous. and i also enjoy how you call me out, yet get butthurt and step up to the defense of others when i call them out…
“c-not having pics/videos in his profile (if you don’t understand why someone might want to remain anonymous on a public forum, or might not feel the need to post pics/vids of their accomplishments, then there’s not much I can say to you on this one)”

by the way. where are your videos…i never recommended anyone putting off learning the lifts in lue of a strength base. [/quote]

If I’m coming across as condescending I apologize because that is not my intent, but I am going to respond to this.

I’m calling you out because you don’t seem to have a problem posting videos of yourself lifting, the only question is why don’t we get to see more of you doing snatches and clean and jerks. Big squats and attempted backflips are cool, but they don’t exactly count for much in competition.

If I recall, when I made that comment about GqArtguy, I had never seen him post any of his lifting numbers. Somebody doesn’t want to share what they’re doing, that’s fine, but you only seem to have that mindset with the classical lifts. And since then he’s posted semi-regularly in the log thread and even put in some videos anyways.

As far as me, well I have posted videos here in the past. That 160 clean and jerk I mentioned, had that on tape, posted it here, you want to watch it you can go find it yourself, I’m not doing it for you. But I don’t take a camera to the gym, only get my competitions taped, and if I have a shitty comp (like my last few) I’m generally less inclined to share. That’s also pretty much the only time I’ve ever posted my numbers on here (except for the odd thread about back/front squat ratios or whatever). I don’t feel the need to let everybody who cares to read it on here know how much I’m lifting and how I’m doing, unless I have a really good comp and feel like bragging. You have a problem with that, it’s your problem. I shouldn’t have even responded to your challenge of “find me someone who’s totalled such and such after lifting for only so many months” but I guess my self-control isn’t working at 100% today.

And no, you didn’t directly suggest putting off learning the lifts until you have a better strength base, but some people will read what you said about the benefits of having a strength base first and think that they should get strong before they start doing the lifts, and I disagree with that.

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Whenever people offer constructive criticism you seem to think they are disrespecting you. I don’t think that people are - but I do think that people will give up on offering feedback or advice if you are so quick to interpret them as disrespectful or hostile.

Again, if all you are looking for is praise for accessory exercises that you are obviously strong in then you might have more luck with that on strength forums.

comparing me to a “hawt abz” idiot or even a noob based solely on my time in sport is silly.

I don’t mean to imply that you are an idiot.

I think the analogy runs deeper than that. The bodybuilding community does indeed value ‘hawt abz’. There isn’t a great bodybuilder who doesn’t have ‘hawt abz’. Similarly, the Olympic Lifting community does indeed value strength. There isn’t a great Olympic Lifter who isn’t strong. In the bodybuilding case it is commonly thought that the person would do better towards achieving their goals if they focused less on their abs and more on other things (e.g., overall mass, leg development). Similarly in the Olympic lifting case it is commonly thought that the person would do better towards achieving their goals if they focused less on their strength and more on other things (e.g., technique, speed).

Of course in both cases the person might prove us wrong.

do you really think you are “tearing me a new one?”

No. The Olympic Lifting community isn’t like the Bodybuilding or Critique my Physique Forum.

What is the aim? Is it to out-total people who have been lifting for the same amount of time as you or is it the longer term goal to out-total to the point where you are internationally competitive?

Do you really think that your current weakness (inability to lift more) is because you aren’t strong enough?

in your personal case alexus, without trying to jab you to much, if you as a “noob” would continue to build a higher strength base along with your technique, i imagine you wouldnt be missing snatches at 35kg.

I have the strength to snatch 35kg. I know because I’ve done it :slight_smile:
Whether I get a snatch at 35kg or not depends on whether my technique goes through well in the lift or not.
If the bar is too far in front - I miss. If the bar is on its way back - I miss.
I guess I could get strong enough to stabilize in the catch even if they are in front or behind.
But with that strategy there will come a point at which I can’t properly express my strength because I’m wasting energy trying to restabilize.

If I could front squat more I’d be able to clean more. My strength (lack of it) is limiting there. I can accept that, though. Face up to it. Work on it. Hopefully profit.

People are trying to help you, you know.

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[quote]NewWorldMan wrote:

[quote]blackbeardoly wrote:
Shankle push presses 130kg for 11 - YouTube.

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He then went on from here and did a set of 7 at 140 kg. I think Glenn said that Donny’s doing this because he wants a better lockout in the jerk, but I’m not really sure!!

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hey blackbeard…

your beard owns mine… but my head is shinier.

deal with that!!

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on a serious note…I have “coached” more than a few people the OL’s in my time…not professionally or officially just friends, or random people I meet at whatever gym im at and they want to learn.

what i have noticed is that i have had more success with people with a minimal weight-lifting background but have a decent athletic background, than people who are already pretty big and strong, and have been lifting seriously powerlifting or bodybuilding.

not sure why…my guess is people with a pretty solid strength base try to muscle up the OL too much…weaker people have to have the technique near perfect or they will miss a lift.

for example, a guy who can deadlift and squat 500lbs, and bench press 350, can pretty much muscle up a 225 c&j with lousy technique.

but a relative noob, who might only be able to squat and dl 300, can still manage to hit a 225 c&j if they nail the technique.

I know this because it is a real example of two guys I helped out a few years back.