you obviously cant read as well as lift. so i will repeat points i have made already and be finished. this was supposed to be my 5th set of five of TRIPLES! i did this for the video. i wouldnt do this as a normal part of my training. and as for subpar form… please
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That’s some pretty good technique, good job man.
this is a post from jared enderton which can be found on marunde-muscle. he is one of the best up and coming american oly lifters. i value his opinion over an internet wizard. and as a last point if you think doing any weight like 320 overhead for more than just triples is useless its clear you havnt lifted in any fashion.
[quote]blackbeardoly wrote:
you obviously cant read as well as lift. so i will repeat points i have made already and be finished. this was supposed to be my 5th set of five of TRIPLES! i did this for the video. i wouldnt do this as a normal part of my training. and as for subpar form… please [/quote]
If you dont think your form was lacking, then just go listen to Tim Swords who pointed out your flaws in detail, or better yet listen to your own words where you say your technique is well behind your strength, or the fact that you claim to be doing this for less than a year. Although since you admit to doing this ‘for the video’ it seems clear that all you want is a pat on the back rather than any constructive criticism. Carry on.
this is a post from jared enderton which can be found on marunde-muscle. he is one of the best up and coming american oly lifters. i value his opinion over an internet wizard. and as a last point if you think doing any weight like 320 overhead for more than just triples is useless its clear you havnt lifted in any fashion. [/quote]
Nice appeal to authority, keep that logic going. Im sure youll listen to Ronnie Coleman on how to get bigger rather than sound advice from people less known and smaller. And yes, doing 320 behind the neck jerks (which you have no justification for other than ‘theyre just in your program’ or ‘for the video’) for 8 reps is useless for Olympic Lifting. If you were training for strongman or maybe even crossfit where reps for overhead is expected in contest, then sure higher reps have value. But in OL, you need to work on execution for one rep and technique/power output breaks down after 3 reps for power based assistance. Not that any of this matters given that you were only seeking a high five for this vid.
ive never once claimed to have spot on form or even said any remotely close to that in this video. 320x8 overhead for anyone is a great feat of strength in any realm of strength sports. and since i did cross over from strongman, 4th in ks strongest man 2010. 2nd in florida strongman championship same year. and having only been oly lifting for around 8.5-9 months, which isnt a “claim” its a fact. and i wouldnt say you gave constructive critque. again you stole a coaches advice and passed it on as your own while cruising the strength forums, which you clearly shouldnt belong to. why do i need justification for doing behind the neck jerks. its known that you can do about 30% more weight this way, wouldnt that help stimulate and be great for helping your jerks from the front…? and ill take all the high fives i can get. recognition is part of the game. CARRY ON
I would guess that blackbeard will specialize more down the road if he wants to focus on olympic lifting, but since he’s transitioning from strongman, does this really come as a suprise this early on?
Some argue that a lack of strength base is a common problem in olympic lifters this side of the world.
GqArtguy, you sound jealous that blackbeard can lift (much?) more weight than you, with ‘poor form’ and ‘using all the wrong rep ranges and programming details’. Prove him wrong by besting him with your techniques, or lose the attitude.
[quote]blackbeardoly wrote:
ive never once claimed to have spot on form or even said any remotely close to that in this video. [/quote]
No but you seem resistant to think your form is poor or sloppy as evident by your replies to me.
Most of this is not relevant or whats being discussed.
Again with false claim. If you are so certain of this, why not call it out in my original reply rather than wait until I point out your divergent behavior from another forum? It doesnt matter at this point, youre only looking for high-fives or will tailor your reply based on the poster rather than the content of the advice.
Youve already made it clear that youre doing them for 8 reps for the high-fives, and thats actually fine since people put up their personal strength feats all the time. But rather than admit that from the get go, you keep saying they have their place, etc. yet bow to the same question when Tim Swords asked you.
Despite all of that, you say your goal is to put up a competitive total in US weightlifting so shouldnt you have a plan for that? Shouldnt you know why youre doing a movement or setup? Even if a coach told you to do it, you should still know why, otherwise you may be wasting your time and energy.
Stimulate what? As for helping your jerks, it would depend on why youre failing your jerks in the front. So, as stated above, they can either be a possible remedy or a poor use of time and energy. If you dont have a reason for doing them, then youre most likely in the latter situation.
I realize I’m late to the party on this one (wasn’t following this thread), but I’m laughing over here at GqArtguy (who’s been a member since '03) being called a troll for:
a-implying that high reps aren’t a great idea if you’re training specifically for o-lifting (they’re not, and 8 IS high reps for o-lifting)
b-saying you were sloppy (just look at the difference between the first rep you did and the last one)
c-not having pics/videos in his profile (if you don’t understand why someone might want to remain anonymous on a public forum, or might not feel the need to post pics/vids of their accomplishments, then there’s not much I can say to you on this one)
All that said, you’re a strong dude, and if you keep sticking with the o-lifting I wish you all the best. But I don’t think it’s worth your (or anyone’s) time to get pissy and defensive whenever somebody you feel isn’t qualified to give advice tries to give you a pointer or two. Who you take advice from is your prerogative, but those you don’t want to listen to are easier ignored than argued with, in my opinion.
Also, those jerk boxes are awesome (both the ones in the OP and in the link PBAndy posted).
Sorry for bringing this thread back up, but is this Donnie shankle doing a set of 11??? With the description of doing this to improve overhead strength. And am I also correct in assuming Donnie is stronger at oly lifting than everyone on here. So… Are higher rep sets really useless for Olympic lifting. I’m just sayin…
[quote]blackbeardoly wrote:
Sorry for bringing this thread back up, but is this Donnie shankle doing a set of 11??? With the description of doing this to improve overhead strength. And am I also correct in assuming Donnie is stronger at oly lifting than everyone on here. So… Are higher rep sets really useless for Olympic lifting. I’m just sayin…[/quote]
This video was posted 2 days ago, and the description said “trying” to increase overhead strength, which says to me that it’s something he’s only started doing fairly recently in an attempt to fix a perceived weakness. If, several months from now, he starts attributing extra kg on his clean and jerk to doing high rep push pressing, then maybe it’ll be a more convincing argument. Unless I’m missing something. Just sayin . . .
[quote]blackbeardoly wrote:
Then again I doubt he would be doing it if he didnt think it would help… just sayin[/quote]
Thinking something could help and it actually helping are two very different things. All this being said, I am intrigued as to whether or not it does help him, but I just don’t think you can watch one video of him doing push presses and suddenly decide that they are a good use of another trainee’s time.
And yes, I know that’s not the only video of him push pressing, I watched several.
shankle’s doing push presses. he’s locking the bar out with his triceps. you were doing power jerks, and dropping the hips slightly to receive the bar at arms length with no lockout. the former is more strength based and will respond to repetitions. the latter is more about technique and explosiveness, both of which break down as fatigue sets in.
I happen to agree with what gqartguy said before, and you can argue about why you did 8 reps until the cows come home, but at the end of the day, if you really are trying to work to a competitive OL total, as far as your 1rm is concerned, don’t you think you’d be better served adding 20 kg to the bar and just doing doubles or triples.
I’ve seen the youtube video of his 210 clean and jerk several times. I’m just not convinced push pressing 70-80 kg less than that for reps will have a positive impact on increasing that clean and jerk. And hey, maybe I’m wrong, maybe his overhead strength isn’t a “weakness” per se, but we don’t exactly have him here to tell us otherwise and that’s my take on it.
And I get your point, it’s pretty obvious what you’re trying to say. I just disagree with you, and I disagree that this video is evidence in your favour (at this point).
So you have been working for 8.5 months towards your goal of being an international level Olympic Lifter and you ask us, in an Olympic Lifting forum, to comment on an accessory exercise that you clearly have great levels of strength in.
Isn’t that a little like someone posting to the Bodybuilding Forum asking for comments on their ‘hawt abz’ after 8.5 months of bodybuilding?
On the Bodybuilding or Critique my Physique Forum the person would be torn a new one. Why would you expect different over here?
Maybe you have revolutionary ideas on how an initially strong person will come to excel at Olympic Lifting by developing additional strength in accessory exercises. Maybe the ‘hawt abz’ dude similarly has revolutionary ideas on how to clean bulk to international level Bodybuilding standards while remaining cut. In both cases… Probably not. But in both cases it is interesting to see how that person progresses. Maybe one day they will get to say ‘I TOLD YOU SO!!!’
This is an Olympic Lifting Forum. By all means, show off your Snatch and Clean and Jerk. Probably even more helpful for those who are noobs to Olympic Lifting is to ask those who have been at this for far longer what is preventing them Snatching and Cleaning and Jerking more weight. Once you have identified what is preventing you Snatching and Cleaning or Jerking more weight then people will probably support you in progressing on accessory exercises dedicated to improving those weaknesses.
I think you should ask yourself who your greatest allies are at this point. Those who say ‘hawt abz fo sho!’ or those who attempt to call you out on what you are doing with respect to your making progress towards the goals that you have stated for yourself.
Is your weakness your strength or your technique?
If all you are looking for is praise for your strength feats you might have more luck posting to Strongman. Or some forum devoted to feats of strength.