[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:
I am elite in every catergory… making those standards total bullshit.[/quote]
I know you have a huge dead, but what are your squat and bench?[/quote]
I have no idea, I havent competed in a while. Best comp bench was 412 raw like 4 years ago. I got an easy 430 close grip with the fat bar a few weeks ago. I just tripled the elite squat with a safety squat bar with a 5 second pause between each rep. The only one I have not met is the clean. My best ever is 340. I am a failure.[/quote]
Shit, yo. Why aren’t you doing full comps these days?[/quote]
Mostly because of a torn hamstring/adductor magnus that isn’t getting any better. I can’t tell if it is finally starting to heal or if I am slowly caring less and less about how I feel.
[quote]UnderConstuction wrote:
Some of you may be elite by those standards but a more important question is are you strong by Jim’s standards? http://www.T-Nation.com/strength-training-topics/1252
Anyone?[/quote]
lol now THOSE are elite…I rack my brain all the time trying to think of someone who could actually perform those…none come immediately to mind, but I imagine some of the pro Strongmen out there could come close…I don’t think powerlifters are suited to meet those…
[quote]UnderConstuction wrote:
Some of you may be elite by those standards but a more important question is are you strong by Jim’s standards? http://www.T-Nation.com/strength-training-topics/1252
Anyone?[/quote]
lol now THOSE are elite…I rack my brain all the time trying to think of someone who could actually perform those…none come immediately to mind, but I imagine some of the pro Strongmen out there could come close…I don’t think powerlifters are suited to meet those…[/quote]
Yeah I remember that, DAYUM…thats more than just “strong”
[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:
I am elite in every catergory… making those standards total bullshit.[/quote]
I know you have a huge dead, but what are your squat and bench?[/quote]
I have no idea, I havent competed in a while. Best comp bench was 412 raw like 4 years ago. I got an easy 430 close grip with the fat bar a few weeks ago. I just tripled the elite squat with a safety squat bar with a 5 second pause between each rep. The only one I have not met is the clean. My best ever is 340. I am a failure.[/quote]
Shit, yo. Why aren’t you doing full comps these days?[/quote]
Mostly because of a torn hamstring/adductor magnus that isn’t getting any better. I can’t tell if it is finally starting to heal or if I am slowly caring less and less about how I feel.[/quote]
Oh, I would have never guessed, an excuse.
Those numbers were chosen by some pretty smart guys, and while the numbers (especially the elite numbers) are lower than we would expect, keep two things in mind. 1) Most powerlifting organizations increase their totals required for elite over time, so a book written–I believe–in the early 80s, would likely estimate those numbers to be a bit lower. 2) Because the numbers are very early and therefore developed before a lot of the modern equipment was released, those numbers are probably for the unequipped, or at least raw, lifter.
[quote]Obisidian wrote:
Those numbers were chosen by some pretty smart guys, and while the numbers (especially the elite numbers) are lower than we would expect, keep two things in mind. 1) Most powerlifting organizations increase their totals required for elite over time, so a book written–I believe–in the early 80s, would likely estimate those numbers to be a bit lower. 2) Because the numbers are very early and therefore developed before a lot of the modern equipment was released, those numbers are probably for the unequipped, or at least raw, lifter.[/quote]
Actually elite numbers have gone down over time. If I recall they were about 100 lbs heavier per class in the 80’s.
[quote]Obisidian wrote:
Those numbers were chosen by some pretty smart guys, and while the numbers (especially the elite numbers) are lower than we would expect, keep two things in mind. 1) Most powerlifting organizations increase their totals required for elite over time, so a book written–I believe–in the early 80s, would likely estimate those numbers to be a bit lower. 2) Because the numbers are very early and therefore developed before a lot of the modern equipment was released, those numbers are probably for the unequipped, or at least raw, lifter.[/quote]
Actually elite numbers have gone down over time. If I recall they were about 100 lbs heavier per class in the 80’s.[/quote]
Yup…tom63 talks about this often…There is a good debate about it on one of the Raw Unity message boards justifying why the elite totals for raw unity were set so high…
Basically the elite totals now for multi-ply WERE the elite totals (or maybe it was masters totals at elite wasnt yet a category? Cant remember) for raw lifting back in the day, when gear was nothing more than a roddshock belt and some ace bandages on the knees…as the gear got better, instead of increasing the current levels to account for the multi-ply gear, they actually just kept them where they were…that left the true raw competitors out in the dark, so the feds actually took off a percentage of the now multi-ply elite totals and made those the new raw totals, which were a couple hundred pounds below the old elite/master totals that were previously “raw”…
[quote]Aaargh wrote:
So, some of you fat boys are calling these standards shit because you are the “superelitealfamales”. great. respect. [/quote]
Critics are always the ones that have nothing good to say when they realize you’ve shown them their own weakness. --Jim Wendler [/quote]
Sorry babe; I’m in your elite. It just that you internet warriorfats are the ones who’s medical bill my tax money has to pay.
You whine you whine and you whine, yet you don’t understand the reason for this kind of standards. World doesn’t revolve around you.[/quote]
[/quote]
Wonder why dude’s so butthurt
Weight is not important, height is. Weight classes are just to inflate short people’s achievements. In essence, weight classes cause short people to be ranked as superior to tall people for doing less work, which is ass backwards…at least in terms of real world strength. So powerlifting or weightlifting is not about real world strength as much as you might think.
A short person would not do well in a strongman contest because they simply don’t have the leverage to succeed in throwing events, for one thing. Tall people have been proven to lift just as much or more weight than short people so when you hear of someone this or that light lifting a lot, keep in mind that they are probably less dangerous in a fight than a 6’5 anorexic.
Basically the elite totals now for multi-ply WERE the elite totals (or maybe it was masters totals at elite wasnt yet a category? Cant remember) for raw lifting back in the day, when gear was nothing more than a roddshock belt and some ace bandages on the knees…as the gear got better, instead of increasing the current levels to account for the multi-ply gear, they actually just kept them where they were…that left the true raw competitors out in the dark, so the feds actually took off a percentage of the now multi-ply elite totals and made those the new raw totals, which were a couple hundred pounds below the old elite/master totals that were previously “raw”…
[/quote]
I wasn’t sure about the exact change in the numbers, but that’s exactly the point I was trying to express. I don’t know when those numbers were figured, but I’m assuming that they are not meant for the equipped lifter.
[quote]Alffi wrote:
Weight is not important, height is. Weight classes are just to inflate short people’s achievements. In essence, weight classes cause short people to be ranked as superior to tall people for doing less work, which is ass backwards…at least in terms of real world strength. So powerlifting or weightlifting is not about real world strength as much as you might think.
A short person would not do well in a strongman contest because they simply don’t have the leverage to succeed in throwing events, for one thing. Tall people have been proven to lift just as much or more weight than short people so when you hear of someone this or that light lifting a lot, keep in mind that they are probably less dangerous in a fight than a 6’5 anorexic.[/quote]
