Those standards were measured against American football players, not powerlifters. So yea, if you use lifting as a supplemental activity and spend the majority of your training time training for football instead and can hit those numbers, you’re probably an elite level football player, but if you spend all of your training time on lifting, it’s not accurate at all.
But hey, now kids can tell all their friends that they’re intermediate lifters!
Please, these standards are golden. These are not for the T-Nation superstar powerlifters. That’s a bad comparison. And OP, in the average Joe department your doing fine. You are on the right track at 145/320, but in the T-Nation category…eh
[quote] Tables for the basic barbell exercises were developed from:
definitions in "Practical Programming" by Kilgore, Rippetoe, and Pendlay
the experience and judgment of the authors,
the exercise techniques described and illustrated in â??Starting Strengthâ?? by Rippetoe and Kilgore, and
published performance standards for the sports of powerlifting and weightlifting.
[/quote]Kilgore, Rippetoe, Pendlay http://www.exrx.net/Testing/WeightLifting/StrengthStandards.html
EDIT: I think there’s LOT OF respected T-Nation members who don’t hit the elite!!
Hey, it was the best I could find with a quick Google search, all right? It still has loftier goals than Tim Henriques’ article:
To be fair, though, Tim does explicitly say that he’s talking about average people and not powerlifters. Granted, this is the powerlifting forum, but I don’t think that the OP would classify himself as a powerlifter.
I think we can all agree that a pull of 320 at 145 is extremely okay, and it certainly has the potential to go up.
[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:
I am elite in every catergory… making those standards total bullshit.[/quote]
I know you have a huge dead, but what are your squat and bench?
[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:
Who cares? Get stronger, get bigger.
This. Why do so many kids seek validation online?[/quote]
It’s just a symptom of the ridiculous “feel good” mentality being drummed into kids K-12. We’ve lost our way as a nation…
[quote]spherenine wrote:
I think we can all agree that a pull of 320 at 145 is extremely okay, and it certainly has the potential to go up.[/quote]
My girlfriend’s certainly did when she was that weight with the same DL…
I bet the OP is gonna go pull 325 after reading that.
[quote]spherenine wrote:
I bet the OP is gonna go pull 325 after reading that.[/quote]
lulz
This thread reminded me of this:
[quote]Tate and I had a great conversation on the phone and had some common points of interest since he had attended Bowling Green State University in Ohio where I’m currently a student. He asked me what my current maxes were on the bench, squat, and deadlift. The numbers were 250, 350, and 350, respectively. I could hear Dave chuckling on the other end of the phone. I got defensive and explained that I was only weighing in at a buck fifty-five.
Of course, while Dave didn’t say it, I know he was thinking, “That’s your problem.”[/quote]
[quote]spherenine wrote:
[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:
I am elite in every catergory… making those standards total bullshit.[/quote]
I know you have a huge dead, but what are your squat and bench?[/quote]
I have no idea, I havent competed in a while. Best comp bench was 412 raw like 4 years ago. I got an easy 430 close grip with the fat bar a few weeks ago. I just tripled the elite squat with a safety squat bar with a 5 second pause between each rep. The only one I have not met is the clean. My best ever is 340. I am a failure.
[quote]late2thegame wrote:
[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:
Who cares? Get stronger, get bigger.
This. Why do so many kids seek validation online?[/quote]
It’s just a symptom of the ridiculous “feel good” mentality being drummed into kids K-12. We’ve lost our way as a nation…[/quote]
Everybody likes a bit of validation and especially younger guys. Its very encouraging for guys just starting out to get tips and encouragement from more experienced people.
We’ve lost our way as a nation because 95% of the population would rather break someone down than build someone up.
[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:
[quote]spherenine wrote:
[quote]StormTheBeach wrote:
I am elite in every catergory… making those standards total bullshit.[/quote]
I know you have a huge dead, but what are your squat and bench?[/quote]
I have no idea, I havent competed in a while. Best comp bench was 412 raw like 4 years ago. I got an easy 430 close grip with the fat bar a few weeks ago. I just tripled the elite squat with a safety squat bar with a 5 second pause between each rep. The only one I have not met is the clean. My best ever is 340. I am a failure.[/quote]
Shit, yo. Why aren’t you doing full comps these days?
[quote]theuofh wrote:
[quote]late2thegame wrote:
[quote]LiquidMercury wrote:
Who cares? Get stronger, get bigger.
This. Why do so many kids seek validation online?[/quote]
It’s just a symptom of the ridiculous “feel good” mentality being drummed into kids K-12. We’ve lost our way as a nation…[/quote]
Everybody likes a bit of validation and especially younger guys. Its very encouraging for guys just starting out to get tips and encouragement from more experienced people.
We’ve lost our way as a nation because 95% of the population would rather break someone down than build someone up. [/quote]
I don’t feel like it is the job of 95% of the population to build people up.
Shit, I barely have the time to build myself up.
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
[quote]spherenine wrote:
Intermediate. Gotta keep training, I guess.
:-/[/quote]
Not very lofty goals on that site, IMO…their elite totals are especially funny, because if you add up bench/squat/deadlift according to their criteria, it still puts you about 100 pounds below elite in the real PL sense of the word (at least for the 275 weight class).[/quote]
I don’t think those standards were made with PLers in mind.
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
[quote]spherenine wrote:
Intermediate. Gotta keep training, I guess.
:-/[/quote]
Not very lofty goals on that site, IMO…their elite totals are especially funny, because if you add up bench/squat/deadlift according to their criteria, it still puts you about 100 pounds below elite in the real PL sense of the word (at least for the 275 weight class).[/quote]
I don’t think those standards were made with PLers in mind.
[/quote]
So was it just a coincidence that they used powerlifting weight classes?
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
[quote]Fletch1986 wrote:
[quote]VTBalla34 wrote:
[quote]spherenine wrote:
Intermediate. Gotta keep training, I guess.
:-/[/quote]
Not very lofty goals on that site, IMO…their elite totals are especially funny, because if you add up bench/squat/deadlift according to their criteria, it still puts you about 100 pounds below elite in the real PL sense of the word (at least for the 275 weight class).[/quote]
I don’t think those standards were made with PLers in mind.
[/quote]
So was it just a coincidence that they used powerlifting weight classes?[/quote]
The standards there are influenced by PL and WL, but are not developed for them is the impression I got based on reading about the standards on that page. In Elite, it says that only 2% of the weightlifting population reaches that level. So basically, walk into random gyms and only 2 out of hundred people are going to be that strong.
I can believe that. Outside of a PL or football gym, I’ve never even seen a 500lb legitimate squat. I’ve only seen a couple of people bench 400lb and one person bench 500 (I’ve seen these #s plenty in a PL gym). Sure, in the higher levels of strength sports, these standards don’t mean jack shit, but for the vast majority of the population, it makes since.
Those standards were around high class one / master class from the old uspf class standards.
From checking they are about a medium to high class one with old standards assuming 85-88 year’s gear.
If you take the general population they are “elite” I guess .
But they’re a little above average for a competitor
. Example I totaled 430/253/462 at 148. 1145 was low class one. I’ll go back and ug the numbers in and see where I stood.
[quote]tom63 wrote:
From checking they are about a medium to high class one with old standards assuming 85-88 year’s gear.
If you take the general population they are “elite” I guess .
But they’re a little above average for a competitor
. Example I totaled 430/253/462 at 148. 1145 was low class one. I’ll go back and ug the numbers in and see where I stood.[/quote]
Elite by these standards would be 410/291/482. 1175. I was about 200 pounds away from a powerlifting elite total .
So, some of you fat boys are calling these standards shit because you are the “superelitealfamales”. great. respect.