you r still avoiding my question. that tells alot about you .calling someone idiot is really rude .and that tells even more about you. now. i will let go the fact that your numbers dont sound right and tell u what i think of your lil bro mecanics.if american football is his concerne well is doing relly fine alredy .is stiffness is on the line of what u see every sundy on the nfl. “steelers willy parker” anyone .with the strenght and vertical u posted he should be fine .maybe he should focus on how to translate those numbers in the field with agility drills . by the way where does he play ?what college is he playing for ? definitly d1 matirial so how come is not in the eisman trophy campaign next to ray rice of rutgers?
exactly my point . how can he increase is speed in the last 45 m of a 100m when top level sprinter mantain at best the speed they achieved in the first 50 to 60 m?
[quote]soccerstud wrote:
exactly my point . how can he increase is speed in the last 45 m of a 100m when top level sprinter mantain at best the speed they achieved in the first 50 to 60 m?[/quote]
Umm… because you start the race at 0 m/s?
UTF, off topic question. Can you tell me what type of therapy your brother has done for his Piriformis, other than backing off his unilateral work? Thanks.
[quote]on edge wrote:
UTF, off topic question. Can you tell me what type of therapy your brother has done for his Piriformis, other than backing off his unilateral work? Thanks.[/quote]
nothing at all, its just not my bro, its me and most of the other guys i am working with.
[quote]soccerstud wrote:
exactly my point . how can he increase is speed in the last 45 m of a 100m when top level sprinter mantain at best the speed they achieved in the first 50 to 60 m?[/quote]
you are a moron. look 55-100m would take 4.3 if you go through 0-55 @ 6.5. You are not accelerating anymore, just maintaining or slowing from top speed. Let’s say as an example top speed is .9 for 10m, if you go 55-60 .45, 60-70 .9, 70-80 .94 80-90 .98 90-100 1.02 (slowing down from top speed), then you go through 55m @ 6.5 and 100m @ 10.8. Not complicated buddy–if you run further than 55m, the average will be faster since you are farther from the start where you are at 0m/s. Just stop posting in this thread.
For people that say to do a power phase–why? The guy powercleans 330, has a good SLJ, does lots of sprinting (over 700m each session), good amount of mb work, etc. I really don’t see how aiming for a 40" vertical would do anything but be inefficient for increasing speed.
“davan”,
Some of us who have or had improved vertical jump using a Kelly Bagget style plyometrics also noticed a “side effect” of increased sprinting speed.
Part of improving the vertical was improving your “preload” and power of reflexive action in legs.
I’m not going to tell you, but to check around.
There is some actual carry over to sprinting speed and others will confirm this.
Plus for the combine if he can bust over 40" on the vertical is better for him anyway!
My thought is plyometrics with a weighted vest. More than 10lb but less than 45LB. Do them religiously.
Another thought is my guy is a Tailback.
One trait that is outstanding for a tailback to have, is to be able to be moving at 60%, and then turn it all the way on in under a second. As in waiting for the block to develop, and turning on full power like a light switch. I don’t know if anyone has been able to successfully train this or enhance it thru training, but if it is at all possible do it.
[quote]davan wrote:
For people that say to do a power phase–why? The guy powercleans 330, has a good SLJ, does lots of sprinting (over 700m each session), good amount of mb work, etc. I really don’t see how aiming for a 40" vertical would do anything but be inefficient for increasing speed.[/quote]
if u ask me, even if u had a sprinter who did/didnt pc 300+ and couldnt jump well i still dont understand the need for a power phase when all of the other work is being done sprints jump throws. coaches who use power phase r usually not doing much speed or anything else, look at kelly b program he does little running at all. below u will find a power phase by kelly b:
So the explosive phase might look something like this:
Monday
Warmup
Starts- 5-10 reps (or whatever)
20-30 yard sprints (run reps until you start to slow down)
jump squat variation with 30% x 5 (3-4 sets total)
jump squat variation with 15% x 5 (3-4 sets total)
glute ham- 2 sets x 5-8 reps
Thursday
Warmup
Starts- 5-10 reps (or whatever)
40 yard sprints (run reps until you start to slow down)
depth jumps- 4 sets x 3 reps
normal squat 3 sets x 3 reps with 85-90% of max
[quote]djrobins wrote:
“davan”,
Some of us who have or had improved vertical jump using a Kelly Bagget style plyometrics also noticed a “side effect” of increased sprinting speed.
Part of improving the vertical was improving your “preload” and power of reflexive action in legs.
I’m not going to tell you, but to check around.
There is some actual carry over to sprinting speed and others will confirm this.
Plus for the combine if he can bust over 40" on the vertical is better for him anyway!
My thought is plyometrics with a weighted vest. More than 10lb but less than 45LB. Do them religiously.
Another thought is my guy is a Tailback.
One trait that is outstanding for a tailback to have, is to be able to be moving at 60%, and then turn it all the way on in under a second. As in waiting for the block to develop, and turning on full power like a light switch. I don’t know if anyone has been able to successfully train this or enhance it thru training, but if it is at all possible do it.[/quote]
Tell me this, how fast were you in the first place?
I really don’t like that plan. Only reason why it would work is if someone needs to deload their volume a bit and/or are overtrained (or have trained very very poorly before). I like a fair amount of KellyB’s stuff, but that is just dumb IMO.
“davan”,
The veritical jump is one of the core competencies for the NFL combine anyhow, it is going to be best for him to train for it.
Football is utfootballs brothers first choice and track is second…
And we are talking about improving speed, so what is your point? Improving overall combine numbers is a different matter, then again, his jump numbers are good (better SLJ than maurice drew). I don’t think you realize how rare a TRUE 40" vertical really is…
I didn’t say a TRUE, but how it is measured for the combine.
Most with 40" verts cheat their arms down in the sockets just a little bit. And the two hand touch vs one hand for maximal height makes about 3" difference.
Doesn’t matter.
Putting 5" on the guys vertical measured as they do for football combine will help. And many people have reported that there is a carry over to speed.
I’m going to bow out of this thread, because I’m summing up what I’ve heard/read and experienced and conveying it thru words.
utfootball is smart enough to decide whether he wants to help his brother pass the 40" barrier or get closer to it.
lol you put 5" on someone’s vertical and get them to 40" and then talk about how easy it is… that’s like saying take him to a 6.1-6.2fat 55m–easier said than done. those workouts, unless he is really overtrained, are not going to put 5" on his vertical from where he is right now.
[quote]djrobins wrote:
I didn’t say a TRUE, but how it is measured for the combine.
Most with 40" verts cheat their arms down in the sockets just a little bit. And the two hand touch vs one hand for maximal height makes about 3" difference.
Doesn’t matter.
Putting 5" on the guys vertical measured as they do for football combine will help. And many people have reported that there is a carry over to speed.
I’m going to bow out of this thread, because I’m summing up what I’ve heard/read and experienced and conveying it thru words.
utfootball is smart enough to decide whether he wants to help his brother pass the 40" barrier or get closer to it.[/quote]
its not about picking sides, but like i said earlier 40in is very rare shit mike vick and kobe bryant only jump 38in… u may be talking bout athletes who are just starting to train and may not be as advance or strong i could see how a > in the vj could help speed over short distance but for a well train athlete not too sure…
How hard did your brother to get his 35". If he never did any vert specific work in a systematic program, kinda like a 8 or 12 week bench cycle then there is something in it for him to gain.
My idea put forward for you to consider was a systematic plyometric program designed for increasing the vertical jump but with weighted vests of 10 to 30lbs.
A program developed around cycles, and for the next year you are going to go thru 3 or 4 cycles, incrimentally gaining.
How many more years of school does he have?
Whose to say that Bryant and Vick haven’t been thru vert programs, and if they havent’ have downplayed the importance of taking it further due to how tite their game is on the field.
Do you really think every athelete turns over every stone they can? Usually not, especially if they are already tite in their field of play.
My technical opinion was if you guys hadn’t pushed this one hard then those 5" might be attainable, and if its only 3 or 4" more power to you.
That the people who have went thru these, and most of us never took it to the limit - have saw side affect of increased speed, stronger stride, etc.
Also not trying to make a 6.5 to 6.3 55M jump seem simple, because it isn’t but if he’s really running consistent 6.5’s FAT it is possible if you put the program together.
Its going to take some time, not 1 months, 3 months or 6 months, but perhaps in a year or two, you can be laughing because you did even better than expected.
How hard did your brother to get his 35". If he never did any vert specific work in a systematic program, kinda like a 8 or 12 week bench cycle then there is something in it for him to gain.
My idea put forward for you to consider was a systematic plyometric program designed for increasing the vertical jump but with weighted vests of 10 to 30lbs.
A program developed around cycles, and for the next year you are going to go thru 3 or 4 cycles, incrimentally gaining.
How many more years of school does he have?
Whose to say that Bryant and Vick haven’t been thru vert programs, and if they havent’ have downplayed the importance of taking it further due to how tite their game is on the field.
Do you really think every athelete turns over every stone they can? Usually not, especially if they are already tite in their field of play.
My technical opinion was if you guys hadn’t pushed this one hard then those 5" might be attainable, and if its only 3 or 4" more power to you.
That the people who have went thru these, and most of us never took it to the limit - have saw side affect of increased speed, stronger stride, etc.
Also not trying to make a 6.5 to 6.3 55M jump seem simple, because it isn’t but if he’s really running consistent 6.5’s FAT it is possible if you put the program together.
Its going to take some time, not 1 months, 3 months or 6 months, but perhaps in a year or two, you can be laughing because you did even better than expected.
“utfootball”.
I just reread your post. You are correct saying that in highly trained atheletes the gains should be less.
Someones going to have that answer. However someone that has a 40" had to go thru 35" to get there!
So your hope, wanting for the best for your brother - is that perhaps he is not fully considered highly trained yet being 20yo…
You are missing the point doc. i don’t know how else to explain it to you that I have not already, but you are missing the point. Doing a program that is called some special plyo program (look at the program UT posted–incredibly basic, extremely low volume, and prob. not going to do anything for an advanced athlete not overtrained) doesn’t mean the effect is any different than another program. The body knows stimulus.
I will ask you one question though and try to hear you out, how is increasing standing VJ going to increase sprinting speed directly?